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  1. I don't think my reply got sent, so I'm starting all over with my reply.

    I believe Phred wrote -- forgive me Phred, if I am mistaken:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Right. It's a [censored] to con the gullible into paying 50 to 150 times
    the price of a perfectly reasonable substitute?

    I didn't undesrtand well. If you mean that "non tradizionale" can be a
    perfectly reasonable substitute for "tradizionale", well... try
    tradizionale once and you'll stick with it for a long time 🙂
    First: it is damn concentrated, where you'd use a tablespoons of "balsamic
    vinegar" you just use a couple of drops of "tradizionale baslamic
    vinegar".
    Second: also if you use tablespoons of "non tradizionale", you'll never
    get the flavours you get with some drops of tradizionale.
    It happened to me, also: I always thougth "why spend 30 bucks for a vial
    when I can pay 5 bucks for a bottle?" then I tried the tradizionale and
    have settled with it. I use it often but in really small quantities, and I
    think I'm not spending that much over plain balsamic vinegar. I gave up
    with plain BV and just use only normal red wine vinegar and tradizionale
    BV.
    --
    Vilco
    Think pink, drink rose'

    I bought a lower priced balsamic vinegar (BV) at Costco for several years.
    Then they started selling another bottle which is their brand "Kirkland
    Balsamic Vinegar of Modena" "Private Reserve"
    On the back of the bottle, it says, "... Produced in the rustic Italian
    region of Modena, where Balsamic Vinegar originated, our vinegar is created
    using a centuries-old recipe and is aged in wooden casks for up to 15
    years."

    In Costco's February 2006 magazine, they say:
    "Costco's Kirkland Signature Balsamic Vinegar of Modena is made the
    deliverate, Old World way. At harvest, local grapes, mostly seet Trebbiano,
    are gentlypressed to yield their juice. This unfermented liquid, called
    (must?) is then cooked into syrup, poured into wooden casks to age and
    annually blended with older (up to 18 years) balsamicos and pure Italian red
    wine vinegar. When the correct depth and complexity of flavoring is
    reached, the liquid gold is bottled as Costco's own.
    "We dine in Modena with members of the local balsamic vinegar consortium,
    saving prosciutto and wedges of pears dotted with balsamico and mustard jam,
    tartufo (truffle) pasta, local wines, wild greens drizzled with balsamico
    and roasted chestnuts.
    "The consortio members are fierce defenders of tradition and warn that the
    best proof of authencity is to look for a code that includes the producers
    letters API and a licensing number followed by MO for Modena, on the label.
    "Costco's labels are marked "API 28/MO." Basamicos without such a
    designation are mere imitations."

    I like this balsamic - woops, I just noticed that the 1 liter bottle I
    bought is outdated by quite a lot of time. It says "best before 1/1/2004."
    Too bad DH won't touch it. I believe he must be in a snit about it, and
    says the other stuff is as good. Now the good stuff is going to waste.
    But, I still must get another bottle for myself.

    If you have comment regarding what I wrote, it is always welcome.
    Dee Dee

  2. Dee Randall said:

    I bought a lower priced balsamic vinegar (BV) at Costco for several
    years. Then they started selling another bottle which is their brand
    "Kirkland Balsamic Vinegar of Modena" "Private Reserve"
    On the back of the bottle, it says, "... Produced in the rustic
    Italian region of Modena, where Balsamic Vinegar originated, our
    vinegar is created using a centuries-old recipe and is aged in wooden
    casks for up to 15 years."

    It could happen, yes, but why should they do all the hard work and the long
    ageing and then give up the Consortium labeling? If it was really aged more
    than 12 years, and if it was acceptable for the experts panel of the
    Consortium who rate the BV before it gets labeled "tradizionale", they sure
    would be selling it labeled as "tradizionale", but they don't.
    So the reasons maybe many, let's see.
    A) Area of production and ageing: they say that when the "liquid gold" is
    ready, they bottle it at Costco. So they are not ageing it in the proper
    area, and this excludes them from the "tradizionale" labeling.
    B) Quality test: to get the "tradizionale" labeling a BV must be at least 12
    years old (on average, since the process is just as the protuguese "solera"
    for wines) and must reach at least X points on a 400 points range. If it
    does not reach X points, no "tradizionale" labeling.

    Another thing tio put into consideration is the fact that they are probably
    "cutting" old BV with new concentrated grape juice, as many acetaie in
    Modena do.

    Quoted message said:

    In Costco's February 2006 magazine, they say:
    "Costco's Kirkland Signature Balsamic Vinegar of Modena is made the
    deliverate, Old World way. At harvest, local grapes, mostly seet
    Trebbiano, are gentlypressed to yield their juice. This unfermented
    liquid, called (must?)

    Yes "must", "mosto" in italian.

    Quoted message said:

    is then cooked into syrup, poured into wooden
    casks to age and annually blended with older (up to 18 years)
    balsamicos and pure Italian red wine vinegar.

    This is whwere they admit they're not doing tradizionale (aged) but just BV
    (not aged) adding "red wine vinegar". Be it from Modena or Reggio Emilia, in
    tradizionale BV one can not add "wine vinegar" but only cooked grape juice.
    It's only during the slow, years-long ageing that the acetic fermentation
    makes TBV out of grape juice.

    Quoted message said:

    When the correct depth
    and complexity of flavoring is reached, the liquid gold is bottled as
    Costco's own. "We dine in Modena with members of the local balsamic
    vinegar consortium,

    This is not the Tradizionale BV of Modena Consortium, it is the BV of Modena
    Consortium: two very different products.

    Quoted message said:

    "The consortio members are fierce defenders of tradition and warn

    If they were defenders of the tradition they wouldn't call "balsamic
    vinegar" a thing which is nowhere near the real "aceto balsamico", so the
    word "tradizionale" is now the only thing halping us to distinguish between
    the two products. If they were defenders of tradition they would call theyr
    product "balsamic dressing" (or "condimento balsamico"😉 and would leave the
    term "balsamic vinegar" only to the real BV.

    Quoted message said:

    that the best proof of authencity is to look for a code that includes
    the producers letters API and a licensing number followed by MO for
    Modena, on the label. "Costco's labels are marked "API 28/MO."
    Basamicos without such a designation are mere imitations."

    Well, here are the imitators who warn uf from the imitators of the imitators
    😉
    Sure these informations can be useful, but I don't know how the generic BV
    Consortium works nor I know its labeling system.

    Quoted message said:

    I like this balsamic - woops, I just noticed that the 1 liter bottle I
    bought is outdated by quite a lot of time. It says "best before
    1/1/2004." Too bad DH won't touch it. I believe he must be in a snit
    about it, and says the other stuff is as good. Now the good stuff is
    going to waste. But, I still must get another bottle for myself.

    If you have comment regarding what I wrote, it is always welcome.
    Dee Dee

    Just another thing: as in all things in life, there's some lower league
    player who's working very well, there's people producing non-tradizionale BV
    with a care and a knowledge which makes theyr products wonderful. Hope that
    Costco's BV is good as it sounds to.
    I'd like to know wh's the italian producer makign theyr BV, maybe googling
    around...
    Cheers
    --
    Vilco
    Think pink, drink rose'

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