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  1. I have a friend visiting from Germany, and I took him out
    on his first singletrack today. He really liked it & would
    like to try it at home but is unaware of any singletrack in
    his area (Bodensee). I was googling & found your post from
    last year (tinyurl.com2tfz3) wherein you mention
    that singletrack ist verboten in Baden-Wuertemmberg. Can
    you point me to finding some other options for him in that
    area? You can email me at gab at gorge dot net if you know
    of anything.

    Vielen Dank, gabrielle, off for an evening of Bier trinken!

  2. gabrielle said:

    I have a friend visiting from Germany, and I took him out
    on his first singletrack today. He really liked it & would
    like to try it at home but is unaware of any singletrack
    in his area (Bodensee). I was googling & found your post
    from last year (tinyurl.com2tfz3) wherein you
    mention that singletrack ist verboten in Baden-
    Wuertemmberg. Can you point me to finding some other
    options for him in that area? You can email me at gab at
    gorge dot net if you know of anything.

    Vielen Dank, gabrielle, off for an evening of Bier
    trinken!

    In Germany you're only supposed to ride on tracks that are a
    minimum of 2m (6 foot) wide. Given Germany's insistence on
    rules, failure to comply would probably lead to a severe
    beating down by the Polizei and a 10 year stretch in prison.

    Of course, one has to get caught first, but the onus is on
    the individual to find his own tracks - most clubs will not
    advocate riding on singletrack.

    The other alternative, seeing as he is in the Bodensee area,
    is to nip across in to Switzerland.

    --
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  3. In article <[email hidden]>,
    myarse247 @hotmail.com says...

    Quoted message said:

    The other alternative, seeing as he is in the Bodensee
    area, is to nip across in to Switzerland.

    Die Schweiz has the same rules... I emailed someone from the
    Swiss section of IMBA a while ago and was told that "many
    trails <2m are off limits."

    The alternative for "legal" singletrack is to head to
    Austria, which also borders the Bodensee. I've never had any
    problems there.

    I never take vacations in Baden-Wurtemburg and I encourage
    anyone to seek other locals for their vacation locations if
    they seek a prime mountain bike destination.

    Every time I ride anywhere in Germany, Italy, France or
    Austria, I compare the trails to what I've riden in the US.
    The percentage of singletrack to fire ride is inversly
    proportional.

    nk

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    I have a friend visiting from Germany, and I took him out
    on his first singletrack today. He really liked it & would
    like to try it at home but is unaware of any singletrack
    in his area (Bodensee). I was googling & found your post
    from last year (tinyurl.com2tfz3) wherein you
    mention that singletrack ist verboten in Baden-
    Wuertemmberg. Can you point me to finding some other
    options for him in that area? You can email me at gab at
    gorge dot net if you know of anything.

    Hi Gabrielle,

    If you're friends a biker, he probably's ridden
    singletrack... The problem is that it's pretty scarce here.
    There's the problems of population, laws and farmers. The
    trails are either for hikers, or they are farm roads. There
    aren't many in-betweens. Add to that the problem that hiking
    trails are normally small sections of foot-path linked by
    long sections of fire road.

    Trying to compare the trails in the US to trials in Germany
    is difficult. There's a major cultural difference. Germans
    think that the reason that there is so much singletrack in
    the US is that "It's so big". That's BS. It's because
    bikers/hikers build and maintain them. They don't do that
    here. In 10 years of riding in Germany, I've never seen a
    trails day. I've never seen anybody do anything to a trail
    except sanitize or obliterate it. Here, you'll have a road
    going straight up a hill here. In the US, someone will
    build a singletrack up it with switch backs. Here, someone
    will drive a backhoe up it making it wide enough to get an
    unimog through.

    The number of times I've ridden a fire road and thought
    "Wow, in the US, someone would build a singletrack off the
    side of this stupid gravel road, maybe something that
    meanders up the hill with switchbacks and some technical
    features - but those clever (insert German, French, Italian,
    Austrian, Swiss), they figured out that it's better to just
    blaze a road instead." Marked mountain bike trails in those
    countries are normally roads. If you find a marked mountain
    bike trail that is smaller than 2 meters, you probably
    missed a turn somewhere and are on a hiking trail.

    So, I poach. I poach often. Heck, I probably poach ever time
    I ride. If I'm ever stopped, I tell people that the trails
    larger than two meters, then ride on. Sometime in the past,
    it probably was (20-30-100 years ago). I never argue with
    Germans on this as they're always right. Again, a cultural
    diffence that isn't improved by the fact that I'm a
    foreigner.

    I've never ridden down by the Bodensee so I really can't
    help. I could probably help your friend find some trails up
    here by HD though...

    email address is nota_knob at t-online dot de.

    nk

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,=20
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    <snip>
    =20
    Thanks, both of ya. I'll pass this along. 🙂
    =20 20

    Another source he can find for his area is the MTB-News
    website at=20 mtb-news.deforum. There's a forum
    at mtb-mtb- news.de/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=3D11
    called "Reisen, Routen und Reviere"=
    =20
    with a thread for "Der sch=F6nste singletrail" with quite a
    few lists of=20 singletrack rides. I'm hoping to try a few
    of them myself.

    Many are in Austria or Italy (sud-tyrol/Garda area). Many
    of them are=20 actually fire roads that they believe are
    singletrack, if you are=20 defining singletrack using the
    Fruita scale. If a quad or unimog drives=20 it, it ain't
    singletrack. Yes, I'm cynical. Rodalben is the
    exception=20 that I've ridden. Mainly singletrack,
    probably because the Pfalz has a=20 different attitude
    towards biking than other states.

    Bruce

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