Penknives

"Nick Mason" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>Of course a knife is of use on the type of trip you describe, but we

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>discussing the necessity to carry a knife when simply out for a walk!

What's this necessity business? I often carry a pen and a camera when
I go on a walk, and I don't need them either.

A pen and a Camera are two very useful things to have with you, but a

knife?

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I think the police should be asking some very serious questions into why
anyone has a knife on them, and stories such as "Its in case I get a
splinter" or other such [censored], is quite frankly not good enough!

I don't know anyone who would use "Its in case I get a splinter" as
any form of justification.

Used in this thread as justification!

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A knife is a tool it's as simple as that.
If you don't have a reason to carry a tool then don't, I never carry a
camera, which is the right tool for taking pictures with, when I'm out
walking. I did at one time but hardly ever used it so I stopped
carrying it.

Anyone who carries a knife as a weapon deserves everything the law can
throw at them but you seem to be making the assumption that anyone who
does carry a knife has no justification and is some sort of criminal,
that a knife has only one use, to hurt or damage other people.

Do you really think those of us who carry a Swiss Army knife carry
them for such a purpose?

You choose to ignore any argument that might, in any reasonable
person, give them cause to re-evaluate their position. When you do
concede that a knife *may* be of use you then can't resist a comment
about first aid being required because a knife closed over someone's
finger, the inference being that if he hadn't had a knife he wouldn't
have needed a first aid kit. A very poor argument!

Is your mind really as closed as your posts make out?

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Nick

I stick by my original comment
***... I really can't understand why someone going for a walk feels the
need to
carry a knife of any description ...***

I have never said it is unacceptable to carry a knife while wild camping, or
bothying. Of course there are times when a blade is the tool for the job,
but just going for a walk, NO NOT ACCEPTABLE, even if you do need it for
spelks, shoelaces or any other bloody excuse, knife are far too easy for
people to turn to in moments of temper!

Stuart said:

I have never said it is unacceptable to carry a knife while wild camping, or
bothying. Of course there are times when a blade is the tool for the job,
but just going for a walk, NO NOT ACCEPTABLE, even if you do need it for
spelks, shoelaces or any other bloody excuse, knife are far too easy for
people to turn to in moments of temper!

...... why would I be angry and who would be the attention of my
"moment of temper" ? I'm on a walk, miles from anywhere and anyone.

Judith

SteveO said:

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I carry my Swiss Army Knife in my purse or handbag when I'm being a
girly, and my Leatherman PSII

<swoon> my kinda gal!

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on my belt (or in my rucksack) at all other times.

<eek!> I'll remember that on our date
;-)

Did your Mother not warn you about mad-penknife-murderers you meet on
the Internet?

Judith

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:00:07 +0100, Gordon <[email hidden]>

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>I would feel under-dressed going on either a walk or a picnic without
>a folding knife.
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>Judith

Titanium?

I carry a Swiss card, takes up very little room, has everything I might
need and nobody points and says "Ha ha! Look at that guy with a Swiss
Army Knife".

So what *do* they say?

;-)

Judith

They say: "Look at that old goat in the Tilley hat, where is his Swiss
Army Knife and where are his Titanium walking poles?".

Do you offer them a Brag Tag?

Judith

Judith <[email hidden]> wrote

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..... why would I be angry and who would be the attention of my
"moment of temper" ? I'm on a walk, miles from anywhere and anyone.

BOOOOH!!
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Gordon Harris

Judith said:

Stuart said:

I have never said it is unacceptable to carry a knife while wild camping, or
bothying. Of course there are times when a blade is the tool for the job,
but just going for a walk, NO NOT ACCEPTABLE, even if you do need it for
spelks, shoelaces or any other bloody excuse, knife are far too easy for
people to turn to in moments of temper!

..... why would I be angry and who would be the attention of my
"moment of temper" ? I'm on a walk, miles from anywhere and anyone.

Well said. We're not the ones shouting and exclaiming.

Perhaps Stuart needs to go for a walk.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Judith <[email hidden]> wrote

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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:00:07 +0100, Gordon <[email hidden]>

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>I carry a Swiss card, takes up very little room, has everything I might
>need and nobody points and says "Ha ha! Look at that guy with a Swiss
>Army Knife".

So what *do* they say?
;-)
Judith

They say: "Look at that old goat in the Tilley hat, where is his Swiss
Army Knife and where are his Titanium walking poles?".

Do you offer them a Brag Tag?

Only if I'm on a Jamaican beach and they are also wearing one.
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Gordon Harris

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:05:27 +0100, "Stuart" <[email hidden]> wrote:

| Of course other items can be used as weapons, I know this very well as
| someone once stuck me with sharpened screwdriver. But knives are far more
| sinister, much too easy for one to turn to in a moment of madness.

That is risk aversion gone mad.

I do not have moments of madness, and am too old to change

--
Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk>
The London suicide bombers killed innocent commuters.
Animal rights terrorists and activists kill innocent patients.

On hill trips, I carry an Opinel knife which is almost certainly one
that could cause problems.

I will continue to do so, but always away in a box and in my pack.
Context is all, were I to show up down the pub with it in my pocket?

I refuse to be cowed. Given the number of catch all laws that can be
used, with it seems a new one every week, whats one more?

And then there are axes, crampons etc....

Richard Webb

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:14:48 +0100, "stuart" <[email hidden]>

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I really can't understand why someone going for a walk feels the need to
carry a knife of any description, what on eath might they need it?

Culinery reasons in the evening/morning.
Gutting trout.

Richard Webb

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A pen and a Camera are two very useful things to have with you, but a knife?
I think the police should be asking some very serious questions into why
anyone has a knife on them, and stories such as "Its in case I get a
splinter" or other such [censored], is quite frankly not good enough!

While a police state is currently a risk/under construction, do you
not think that the polis have more pressing worries than checking up
on hill bashers hidden away up some draughty glen?

Having said that there is an ongoing campaign against antisocial
behaviour in Galloway bothies, so be careful if you visit such parts
that plod can tell you from a ned.

Richard Webb

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:27:12 +0100, Paul Rooney <[email hidden]>

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Cutting a pie into segments.

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Slicing a melon.

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Removing dog [censored] from boot cleats.

Does it matter what order you do these in?

Judith

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> > Of course a knife is of use on the type of trip you describe, but we
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> > discussing the necessity to carry a knife when simply out for a

walk!

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> What's this necessity business? I often carry a pen and a camera when
> I go on a walk, and I don't need them either.
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A pen and a Camera are two very useful things to have with you, but a

knife?

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I think the police should be asking some very serious questions into why
anyone has a knife on them, and stories such as "Its in case I get a
splinter" or other such [censored], is quite frankly not good enough!

You're scaring me now, Stuart!

Some things are illegal to carry but most things are not. Most things
*could* be used for illegal purposes ..... but aren't.

Why are you carrying......

... a piece of string? So I can garrotte someone.
... a stainless steel flask? So that I can club someone over the head
(and have a hot cup of tea afterwards.)
... a camera? Because I'm a potential blackmailer looking for a
victim.
... sandwiches wrapped in a platic bag? So that I can suffocate
someone with a small head.
... a map? So that I can evade the authorities.

Knives are such a basic, practical, handy-to-have thing. I don't
understand why some people /don't/ carry one!

Of course other items can be used as weapons, I know this very well as
someone once stuck me with sharpened screwdriver. But knives are far more
sinister, much too easy for one to turn to in a moment of madness.

The scissors in the FA kit could cause someone a lot more damage (i.e. a
deeper stab wound) than the piddly little 2" blade on the SAK. Also I
think we'd all be better off leaving those ice axes at home this winter
- /very/ sinister bits of kit...

(Last time I used a knife on a day walk? To free a sheep who had
entangled its horns in bailing twine.)

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Judith <[email hidden]> wrote :

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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:27:12 +0100, Paul Rooney <[email hidden]>

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Cutting a pie into segments.

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Slicing a melon.

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Removing dog [censored] from boot cleats.

Does it matter what order you do these in?

For normal people, probably "yes".

If you're Paul Rooney? <shrug>

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Judith <[email hidden]> wrote

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Knives are such a basic, practical, handy-to-have thing. I don't
understand why some people /don't/ carry one!

Because I can't think of a single occasion when I needed to use a knife
outside of my house or garden.

I'm still thinking, and will let you know if I remember.

Now you are just being sensible. I know a lot of people who never
carry a knife for the same reason. I have one good friend who, like
me, carries one all the time and finds it invaluable on a daily basis.

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Nick

Stuart said:

I stick by my original comment
***... I really can't understand why someone going for a walk feels the
need to
carry a knife of any description ...***

I have never said it is unacceptable to carry a knife while wild camping, or
bothying. Of course there are times when a blade is the tool for the job,
but just going for a walk, NO NOT ACCEPTABLE, even if you do need it for
spelks, shoelaces or any other bloody excuse, knife are far too easy for
people to turn to in moments of temper!

Oh dear.

So now we're all violent psychopaths who are prone to loosing our
temper with little or no provocation and will immediately turn to our
small pocket knives as the best weapon to mutilate whoever happens to
be around at the time.

I can't remember the last time I lost my temper, I've not been in a
fight since I was small boy and I can't remember ever being faced with
anyone who even looked like they were going to threaten violence.

I can picture your scenario now;

Someone is making you very angry they make a grab for you or throw a
punch. Just a moment you cry, give me chance to ferret about in my
trousers for my Swiss Army knife. Hang on, not yet, you'll have to
give me a moment to find the right blade! Hold it, I can't quite get
my thumbnail in the little groove, wait, nearly there. Right I'm
ready, do your worst, you swine. No hang on that's the damned
magnifying glass, would you mind coming back later when I've sorted
myself out?

You are a shining example of small minded prejudice, you simply can't
see that someone else may have a point or that most people are
sensible and in control of their tempers.

Perhaps you'd care to share some of your other deeply held beliefs and
sweeping generalisations with us?

On second thoughts, don't bother.

Life must be one disappointment after another for you.

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Nick

"Dave Fawthrop" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:05:27 +0100, "Stuart" <[email hidden]> wrote:

| Of course other items can be used as weapons, I know this very
well as
| someone once stuck me with sharpened screwdriver. But knives are
far more
| sinister, much too easy for one to turn to in a moment of madness.

That is risk aversion gone mad.

I do not have moments of madness, and am too old to change

As a professional gardener, I've never been without a *sharp* knife in
my pocket for over 40 yrs. I'm not about to change now. I walk in my
working trousers and where they go the knife goes. It peels my orange,
cuts my cake, harvests veg and flowers, prunes plants, cuts bootlaces
if need be. Never been tempted to use it in anger.
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Rod

My real address is rodtheweedygardeneratmyweedyisp
Just remove the weedy bits
and transplant the appropriate symbol at.

Judith said:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:27:12 +0100, Paul Rooney <[email hidden]>

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Cutting a pie into segments.

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Slicing a melon.

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Removing dog [censored] from boot cleats.

Does it matter what order you do these in?

Judith

<Geek>

For some value of 'matter'...

</Geek>
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Paul Rooney

AndyP said:

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You are a shining example of small minded prejudice, you simply can't
see that someone else may have a point or that most people are
sensible and in control of their tempers.

You sure you're in control of your temper there Nick? You're sounding
pretty irate to me. Keep your hands away from that knife.

I always used to carry a knife around with me but the when I got to "big"
school and got a girlfriend I realised my penis was actually big enough.

And was it sharp enough to slice an apple?

Judith

"Nick Mason" <[email hidden]> wrote

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So now we're all violent psychopaths who are prone to loosing our
temper with little or no provocation and will immediately turn to our
small pocket knives as the best weapon to mutilate whoever happens to
be around at the time.

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You are a shining example of small minded prejudice, you simply can't
see that someone else may have a point or that most people are
sensible and in control of their tempers.

You sure you're in control of your temper there Nick? You're sounding
pretty irate to me. Keep your hands away from that knife.

I always used to carry a knife around with me but the when I got to "big"
school and got a girlfriend I realised my penis was actually big enough.