Pedestrians (again)

Badger South said:

I kinda expected a biking group to be on the side of the bikers. I guess it comes from long
experience and the inevitability of the issue.

Not when the biker is in the wrong. Makes it worse for all of us.

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South) wrote:

[many expressions of repentance and reform]

Quoted message said:

Again, just kidding, thus the hyperbole. After the severe tongue lashing here, I may be tipping my
hat and smiling at the lovely creatures for weeks to come. ;-)

On behalf of rec.bike, I announce that you are hereby forgiven, pardoned, and granted atonement. Go
and sin no more, and have fun.

(By coincidence, it's Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement in Judaism.)

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Stella Hackell [email hidden]

She who succeeds in gaining the mastery of the bicycle will gain the mastery of life. --Frances E.
Willard, _How I Learned to Ride the Bicycle_

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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Badger
South) wrote:

[many expressions of repentance and reform]

Quoted message said:

Again, just kidding, thus the hyperbole. After the severe tongue lashing here, I may be tipping
my hat and smiling at the lovely creatures for weeks to come. ;-)

On behalf of rec.bike, I announce that you are hereby forgiven, pardoned,

and

Quoted message said:

granted atonement. Go and sin no more, and have fun.

Who let YOU in here?!? 🙂

Bill "ol' Badge ain't even SEEN severe tongue lashing yet" S.

PS: My two cents is to try a nicer greeting than yelling, "Bike!" You know, something like, "Hi.
Coming up on your left; mind if I pass?" Stranger things have proven effective...

"Badger South" <[email hidden]>

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Never overestimate the alertness or intelligence of the bike path pedestrian.

I always use the bell about 100 meters from peds... even then they get this "deer in the headlights"
look. There should be a sign at every entry point for peds. "YOU'RE ENTERING A MULTI-USE TRAIL".

And...

The dog on the leash is typically a problem on multi-use trails.

The skaters think they own the trail... the walkers think they own the trail... and bicyclists think
they own the trail... and the runners hate everyone.

Keep your finger on the bell!

hth

"Badger South" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Hmm, not sure if you're seeing it as humor, but I do travel slowly when approaching pedestrians.
I'm coasting, and am prepared to stop.

Just thought fellow trail bikers would appreciate a couple funny diatribes. Oh well. ;-)

Don't worry about it... there's a faction of bicyclist that mow down everything in their way while
doing 20 MPH on multi-use trails. No respect for peds... skaters... or anyone else for that matter.
Run red-lights... stop signs... and announcing a pass wouldn't even enter they minds. (To cook to be
courteous... to much of a moron to use common sense).

It's best just to keep your eyes open... use your bell when passing... and pass with care. Or... hit
the streets.

fwwi

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Bill "ol' Badge ain't even SEEN severe tongue lashing yet" S.

I was surprised Stella didn't tear him a new one, knowing Stella.

I think this atonement stuff is getting to her, she posts once in four months and it's all this
kissy [censored] about apologies and so forth.

I definitely think this ng is going downhill, even Jobst has been remarkably civil of late.

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Quoted message said:

Bill "ol' Badge ain't even SEEN severe tongue lashing yet" S.

I was surprised Stella didn't tear him a new one, knowing Stella.

I think this atonement stuff is getting to her, she posts once in four months and it's all this
kissy [censored] about apologies and so forth.

I definitely think this ng is going downhill, even Jobst has been remarkably civil of late.

This too shall pass.

Bill "on your left" S.

In article said:

Go and sin no more, and have fun.

I'm sinning[*] right now, and having loads more fun than any non-sinning can getcha.

/Gotta/ sin to have fun.

cheers, Tom

[*] Gluttony -- I just designed a remarkably savoury and tender baked minute steak w/ mushroom &
tomato gravy; I'm washing it down with enough of The Good Stuff to establish a relatively
moderate buzz.

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South) said:

I'm pretty much able to laugh about it anyway, but there is a slight edge of that can creep in.

I recall a certain Yankees/Mariners game at the KingDome. Things weren't going the Mariners' way at
all. Chuck Cottier got so flustered, he kicked-up a hell of a fuss, pulling the base bags outa the
ground and hucking them all over the field. Veins were bulging in his forehead, he was so angry. And
of course, he got kicked outa the game.

During a subesquent interview, Billy Martin said in regards to Cottier's actions: "I think that
guy's gotta learn to control his temper."

I guess the trick to dealing with the annoyances of MUPs is to be Billy Martin, rather than
Chuck Cottier. Or if you can pull the saintliness off (I admittedly can't, myself): Sparky
Anderson :-) :-) :-)

cheers, Tom

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Tom Keats said:

I guess the trick to dealing with the annoyances of MUPs is to be Billy Martin, rather than
Chuck Cottier.

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In Billy Martin's current state, not much would likely annoy him.

Steve McDonald

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I'm thinking I need an air horn, a bell, a grappling hook, a boxing glove on a spring and a
cow-catcher attachment on the trail bike.

Just another fun aspect of trail biking! ;-)

I used to get all indignant and self-righteous over the behavior of dog walkers, roller bladers,
4-abreast walkers, etc. It's easy to do that, since, at a minimum, a lot of these people are being
either clueless or thoughtless. I found that once I worked myself up into a state over this kind of
behavior, my riding started to get a little obnoxious. One day it dawned on me that my attitudes and
behaviors were similar to those of many car drivers towards cyclists in the streets. In short, I
realized I was being a jerk.

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The problem is that bikes are always borrowing somebody elses space.

I disagree. When I'm in the street, I *own* my piece of pavement. Most of the time, I am gracious,
and allow the cars to pass me. That's because I am secure about my knowledge of this ownership, so
for me to be so kind as to let them use it is no skin off of my nose. However, at any time, for my
safety, I may reclaim that which is truly mine.

Generally, I find that when I reassert my ownership of my pavement, I get very little guff from
other traffic. Instead, I get acknowledgement of my right.

Warm Regards,

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Stella

Hackell) said:

Go and sin no more, and have fun.

I'm sinning[*] right now, and having loads more fun than any non-sinning can getcha.

/Gotta/ sin to have fun.

Enjoying life is no sin. Why do you think there's a blessing for wine? The real sin is in
not appreciating the gifts we have, including a fine dinner, a fast bike, or the company of
those we love.

L'Shanna Tova to everyone -- may we be inscribed in the Book of Life!

Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky ([email hidden]) Home of the meditative cyclist:
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In article <FLUfb.501455$cF.176907@rwcrnsc53>, Peter Cole

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I'm thinking I need an air horn, a bell, a grappling hook, a boxing glove on a spring and a
cow-catcher attachment on the trail bike.

Just another fun aspect of trail biking! ;-)

I used to get all indignant and self-righteous over the behavior of dog walkers, roller bladers,
4-abreast walkers, etc. It's easy to do that, since, at a minimum, a lot of these people are being
either clueless or thoughtless. I found that once I worked myself up into a state over this kind of
behavior, my riding started to get a little obnoxious. One day it dawned on me that my attitudes
and behaviors were similar to those of many car drivers towards cyclists in the streets. In short,
I realized I was being a jerk.

This was starting to be my experience, but fortunately it dawned on me yesterday! Thanks for the
input. ;-)

-B
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Quoted message said:

"Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

The problem is that bikes are always borrowing somebody elses space.

I disagree. When I'm in the street, I *own* my piece of pavement. Most of the time, I am gracious,
and allow the cars to pass me. That's because I am secure about my knowledge of this ownership, so
for me to be so kind as to let them use it is no skin off of my nose. However, at any time, for my
safety, I may reclaim that which is truly mine.

Generally, I find that when I reassert my ownership of my pavement, I get very little guff from
other traffic. Instead, I get acknowledgement of my right.

Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky ([email hidden])

In my town they decided to put in bike lanes about 5 years ago, maybe more, but since they were
unable to get the and merchant's permission to remove on-street parking, the bike lanes were made
only two feet wide. I can't recall, but ISTM that they are normally three feet or a little more.

So the poor bikers still have to contend with the car door openers, and also the traffic to their
left. In addition we have a nice black exhaust-spewing bus system that terrorizes cars and bikes
alike adding to the mix. The busses will cut off a car to get back in the traffic stream, sometimes
cutting at a near right angle across several lanes at one location. One morning he almost clipped my
wife's right front bumper. We took the number and complained. The bus drivers also 'stack' up to
three deep, waiting for the first bus to finish loading blocking the entire road.

At least the bus driver takes a quick look to make sure the car doesn't plow into them. But the
bikers, trying to stay in their lane are not so luckly; the bus drivers will cut them off by pulling
into the bike lane, and making the bike rider nearly fall off the bike.

It was OK to bike in this city in the 60s, decent in the early 70s - I rode -everywhere-, but is far
too dangerous to try it now, IMO, unless you get out there at dawn on Sunday morning.

I feel for them. This is one reason I don't ride the roads - I admit it; it scares me. I even gave
up my motorcycle after having to lay it down (twice), or ride up on the curb once too often.

I don't know if there's a solution.

At least in my case, I can walk my ride through about 100 feet of woods and I'm right on our
trail. ;-)

I think my feeling of 'it's my bike trail' is one of 'hey, it's all I have', more than 'get the heck
outta my way'. But I appreciate the comments and am lucky to have received such good guidance early
in my renewed riding career. Thanks again, guys, and gals. ;-)

-B
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(Steve McDonald) said:

In Billy Martin's current state, not much would likely annoy him.

Maybe not, but I bet the Proprietors of wherever he is are wishing they weren't stuck with him.

cheers, & Billy Martin lives, Tom

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[email hidden] (Badger South) wrote in news:blmu0m$2kq$1 @murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU:

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You mention "Flinstoning" twice. Do you not have working brakes? If you do not, I would say the
first thing to do is to get some repaired/installed/working properly.

- Boyd S. would have left tire marks on the [censored]' faces

In article <[email hidden]>, Boyd Speerschneider

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would have left tire marks on the [censored]' faces

So much for my pet "pleasant stroll through the park" analogy of riding on MUPs.

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[email hidden] (Badger South) wrote in news:blmu0m$2kq$1 @murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU:

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You mention "Flinstoning" twice. Do you not have working brakes? If you do not, I would say the
first thing to do is to get some repaired/installed/working properly.

- Boyd S. would have left tire marks on the [censored]' faces

My brakes are fine, but at the (very slow) speed I was going at the time, jumping down off the
pedals was the quickest method available, I suppose. It was -reaction- to an unpredicted move. I
believe I hit the brakes also.

-B
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Boyd Speerschneider said:

You mention "Flinstoning" twice.

As has been pointed out countless times in this forum, that's a "Yabba-Dabba Don't".