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  1. spindrift said:


    All published evidence shows that speed cameras, even allowing for
    RTTM, have a worthwhile positive effect.

    All that published and paid for by the DfT, maybe, and then only just,
    and only in the immediate vicinity of the devices. Interesting too how,
    year-on-year, the claims made for cameras have become more modest. The
    most recent report on the effect of cameras in the "partnerships", blew
    most of the historical reasons for their widespread adoption out of the
    window (as predicted years ago by a certain road safety group), albeit
    hidden in an appendix and largely unreported.

    What isn't clear, and what hasn't been widely investigated, is the
    overall impact of speed cameras on road safety, and on the migration of
    "accidents". What we do know is that as camera numbers have increased,
    the general downward trend in KSIs has diminished.

    One piece of research which may have thrown some light on the broader
    influence of the cameras, described by the DfT as required for
    "understanding the mechanisms of change in accident occurrence and speed
    behaviour brought about by speed enforcement by cameras", was cancelled
    by the DfT. Some have suggested that it was cancelled following the
    revelations in that infamous "Appendix H", which almost certainly also
    led to the watering-down of the "partnerships", and the removal of the
    "camera" from its pedestal in December 2005, for fear that its findings
    were likely to have damned the ways camera were justified and used, and
    would have exposed the dire consequences that they have been responsible
    for.

    --
    Matt B

  2. In news:[email hidden],
    Tom Crispin <[email hidden]> tweaked the
    Babbage-Engine to tell us:

    Quoted message said:

    I saw him just now on the news.

    He looks like a tramp. His hair is unkempt, he has bags under his
    eyes and his teeth look rotten.

    The news presenter, bless him, mocked Smith's views.

    Now he appears to have fallen to the lowest level of society, I see no
    reason to blank out part of his name. At last he is fully exposed for
    the worthless person he has been for a great many years.

    And he is now, apparently, dead:

    http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/December/december-10-16/dec1407paulsmithdies/

    (Resist temptation to dance around the room)

    --
    Dave Larrington
    <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
    Barley, barley, barley, world cruise. You never see a farmer on
    a bike.

  3. On Dec 14, 2:57 pm, "Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Innews:[email hidden],
    Tom Crispin <[email hidden]> tweaked the
    Babbage-Engine to tell us:

    Quoted message said:

    I saw him just now on the news.

    Quoted message said:

    He looks like a tramp. His hair is unkempt, he has bags under his
    eyes and his teeth look rotten.

    Quoted message said:

    The news presenter, bless him, mockedSmith'sviews.

    Quoted message said:

    Now he appears to have fallen to the lowest level of society, I see no
    reason to blank out part of his name. At last he is fully exposed for
    the worthless person he has been for a great many years.

    And he is now, apparently, dead:

    http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/December/...

    "Claire Armstrong, his partner of 22 years, said she planned to take
    over the running of the website. "

    I wonder how she'll handle it when folk start having their speeding
    tickets addressed to her dearly departed...

    calum

  4. calum said:

    On Dec 14, 2:57 pm, "Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Innews:[email hidden],
    Tom Crispin <[email hidden]> tweaked the
    Babbage-Engine to tell us:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I saw him just now on the news.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He looks like a tramp. His hair is unkempt, he has bags under his
    eyes and his teeth look rotten.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The news presenter, bless him, mockedSmith'sviews.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Now he appears to have fallen to the lowest level of society, I see no
    reason to blank out part of his name. At last he is fully exposed for
    the worthless person he has been for a great many years.

    Quoted message said:

    And he is now, apparently, dead:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/December/...

    "Claire Armstrong, his partner of 22 years, said she planned to take
    over the running of the website. "

    I wonder how she'll handle it when folk start having their speeding
    tickets addressed to her dearly departed...

    calum- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    What kind of sick creature would recommend sending speeding tickets to
    a dead person?

  5. calum said:

    On Dec 14, 2:57 pm, "Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Innews:[email hidden],
    Tom Crispin <[email hidden]> tweaked the
    Babbage-Engine to tell us:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I saw him just now on the news.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He looks like a tramp. His hair is unkempt, he has bags under his
    eyes and his teeth look rotten.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The news presenter, bless him, mockedSmith'sviews.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Now he appears to have fallen to the lowest level of society, I see no
    reason to blank out part of his name. At last he is fully exposed for
    the worthless person he has been for a great many years.

    Quoted message said:

    And he is now, apparently, dead:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/December/...

    "Claire Armstrong, his partner of 22 years, said she planned to take
    over the running of the website. "

    I wonder how she'll handle it when folk start having their speeding
    tickets addressed to her dearly departed...

    calum- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    Stop press, Smith's released a pretty coloured-in graph that proves he
    is, in fact, alive.

  6. Dave Larrington said:

    In news:[email hidden],
    Tom Crispin <[email hidden]> tweaked the
    Babbage-Engine to tell us:

    Quoted message said:

    I saw him just now on the news.

    He looks like a tramp. His hair is unkempt, he has bags under his
    eyes and his teeth look rotten.

    The news presenter, bless him, mocked Smith's views.

    Now he appears to have fallen to the lowest level of society, I see no
    reason to blank out part of his name. At last he is fully exposed for
    the worthless person he has been for a great many years.

    And he is now, apparently, dead:

    http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/December/december-10-16/dec1407paulsmithdies/

    (Resist temptation to dance around the room)

    I take back all I said about the man. He was clearly extremely
    unwell. He stuck to his views with the greatest tenacity until the
    very end.

  7. spindrift said:
    calum said:

    On Dec 14, 2:57 pm, "Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Innews:[email hidden],
    Tom Crispin <[email hidden]> tweaked the
    Babbage-Engine to tell us:

    Quoted message said:

    >I saw him just now on the news.

    Quoted message said:

    >He looks like a tramp. His hair is unkempt, he has bags under his
    >eyes and his teeth look rotten.

    Quoted message said:

    >The news presenter, bless him, mockedSmith'sviews.

    Quoted message said:

    >Now he appears to have fallen to the lowest level of society, I see no
    >reason to blank out part of his name. At last he is fully exposed for
    >the worthless person he has been for a great many years.

    Quoted message said:

    And he is now, apparently, dead:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/December/...

    "Claire Armstrong, his partner of 22 years, said she planned to take
    over the running of the website. "

    I wonder how she'll handle it when folk start having their speeding
    tickets addressed to her dearly departed...

    calum- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    Stop press, Smith's released a pretty coloured-in graph that proves he
    is, in fact, alive.

    There is no report on the BBC Scotland news page (and I would have
    expected one, at least as quickly as a report on the MCN site).

  8. Tom Crispin said:

    I take back all I said about the man. He was clearly extremely
    unwell. He stuck to his views with the greatest tenacity until the
    very end.

    I don't see why anyone should take back claims of him playing very fast
    and loose with statistics, or suggestions that he was working to a
    preconceived conclusion, however sad it may be for those close to him
    that his health was poor.

    "He stuck to his views with the greatest tenacity until the very end" is
    kind of inviting an early showing for Godwin's Law...

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  9. On 13 Dec 2007 08:14:40 GMT, Ian Smith
    <[email hidden]>

    was popularly supposed to have said:
    Dan Holdsworth said:


    The other problem is that the road policing budget is fixed. You cannot
    have traffic police AND lots of speed cameras; you have to have one or
    the other.

    Of all the bollocks spouted by the apologists for his anti-social
    rubbish, this is the biggest.

    In one breath we're told that speed cameras are so costly they've
    cut down the police numbers to pay for them. In the next, we're told
    speed cameras are nothing but revenue-raising boxes bleeding the poor
    cash-cow motorist dry.

    Quoted message said:

    So, whilst I am not particularly fond of him, Paul Smith does have the
    salient difference from most of the speed-related commentators that he
    has a certain amount of intelligence on his side, and he makes some
    fairly well reasoned arguments in favour of his point of view.

    Yeah, right. You'll have to point that out to me. Is it like the
    argument above? They are bad because they cost so much money and do
    nothing but raise revenue?

    No, they're bad because they don't catch the motorist who has bought a
    100 quid banger cash in hand and not troubled to register, tax or insure
    it and is thus rather difficult to trace unless you happen onto him by
    accident.

    They don't catch the utterly clueless, unskilled moron driver whose
    three remaining neurons can recognise a yellow box on a stick and slow
    him to 20 to get past it, but which provide no semblence of roadcraft,
    manners or safety.

    They don't catch young kids hooning about in bangers, because they too
    can spot a speed camera and restrain themselves for fifty yards or so
    near it.

    They don't catch drunk drivers, or not often. Nor do they catch [censored]
    drivers, insanely slow drivers or indeed anything but someone exceeding
    an often arbitrary limit AT ONE POINT, who has also registered their car
    registration with the authorities.

    As a road law enforcement policy, they are bloody rubbish by themselves.

    Problem is, that is how this government is using them; not as a specific
    tool to combat specific stupidities in specific sets of circumstances,
    but as a catch-all road safety policy, one size fits all.

    It ain't working as well as it should work.

    That's what I'm upset about; speed cameras are being used extremely
    unintelligently and it is the unintelligence that I object to.

    --
    Dan Holdsworth PhD [email hidden]
    By caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, By the beans of Java
    do thoughts acquire speed, hands acquire shaking, the shaking
    becomes a warning, By caffeine alone do I set my mind in motion

  10. Peter Clinch said:
    Tom Crispin said:

    I take back all I said about the man. He was clearly extremely
    unwell. He stuck to his views with the greatest tenacity until the
    very end.

    I don't see why anyone should take back claims of him playing very fast
    and loose with statistics, or suggestions that he was working to a
    preconceived conclusion, however sad it may be for those close to him
    that his health was poor.

    That is perhaps true, but my attcak on him was based on his personal
    appearance. With hindsight that was an unfair attack as the man was
    close to death.

  11. JNugent said:


    There is no report on the BBC Scotland news page (and I would have
    expected one, at least as quickly as a report on the MCN site).

    There's a whole forum on teh safespeed web site for 'Paul Smith
    RIP'. Most offer condolences. There's at least one request for an
    address to use on speeding ticket demands.

    regards, Ian SMith
    --
    |\ /| no .sig
    |o o|
    |/ \|

  12. Ian Smith said:
    JNugent said:

    There is no report on the BBC Scotland news page (and I would have
    expected one, at least as quickly as a report on the MCN site).

    There's a whole forum on teh safespeed web site for 'Paul Smith
    RIP'. Most offer condolences. There's at least one request for an
    address to use on speeding ticket demands.

    regards, Ian SMith

    Thanks, I'll take a look.

  13. Ian Smith said:

    There's at least one request for an address to use on speeding ticket demands.<

    It didn't last half an hour before it was deleted.

    It read:

    "I'm sure this is a very sad time for all those close to Paul.
    Perhaps you could publish Paul's address so people can send cards and/
    or flowers. Then in a few months' time, when the rawness of his loss
    has begun to subside, some of my friends could use his details to
    avoid a few speeding tickets. I'm sure Paul wouldn't mind ... would
    he?"

    I wonder what was wrong with that?

    calum

  14. Quoting Dan Holdsworth <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    No, they're bad because they don't catch the motorist who has bought a
    100 quid banger cash in hand and not troubled to register, tax or insure
    it and is thus rather difficult to trace unless you happen onto him by
    accident.

    Shock as particular facet of law enforcement not effective on all
    criminals. Presumably policemen are bad because they don't catch pirates,
    and naval vessels are bad because they don't catch burglars.
    --
    David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!
    Today is Tuesday, December.

  15. Quoting Dave Larrington <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    And he is now, apparently, dead:
    http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/December/december-10-16/dec1407paulsmithdies/

    Of a heart attack. He should have cycled more.
    --
    David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!
    Today is Tuesday, December.

  16. On 14 Dec, 17:53, David Damerell <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Quoting Dan Holdsworth <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    No, they're bad because they don't catch the motorist who has bought a
    100 quid banger cash in hand and not troubled to register, tax or insure
    it and is thus rather difficult to trace unless you happen onto him by
    accident.

    Shock as particular facet of law enforcement not effective on all
    criminals. Presumably policemen are bad because they don't catch pirates,
    and naval vessels are bad because they don't catch burglars.
    --
    David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!
    Today is Tuesday, December.

    Maybe we should ban aspirins cos they don't cure cancer?

  17. spindrift said:

    Maybe we should ban aspirins cos they don't cure cancer?

    They don't? I had some aspirin last year and I have no cancer.

    Oh wait, I got confused with the helmet thread. Sorry.

    -dan

  18. spindrift said:
    calum said:

    On Dec 14, 2:57 pm, "Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Innews:[email hidden],
    Tom Crispin <[email hidden]> tweaked the
    Babbage-Engine to tell us:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I saw him just now on the news.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > He looks like a tramp. His hair is unkempt, he has bags under his
    > eyes and his teeth look rotten.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > The news presenter, bless him, mockedSmith'sviews.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Now he appears to have fallen to the lowest level of society, I see no
    > reason to blank out part of his name. At last he is fully exposed for
    > the worthless person he has been for a great many years.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    And he is now, apparently, dead:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/December/...

    Quoted message said:

    "Claire Armstrong, his partner of 22 years, said she planned to take
    over the running of the website. "

    Quoted message said:

    I wonder how she'll handle it when folk start having their speeding
    tickets addressed to her dearly departed...

    Quoted message said:

    calum- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    What kind of sick creature would recommend sending speeding tickets to
    a dead person?- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    You sick [censored], I suppose you'll be wanting to know where he's
    buried so that you can dance on his grave

  19. David Damerell said:

    Quoting Dan Holdsworth <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    No, they're bad because they don't catch the motorist who has bought a
    100 quid banger cash in hand and not troubled to register, tax or insure
    it and is thus rather difficult to trace unless you happen onto him by
    accident.

    Shock as particular facet of law enforcement not effective on all
    criminals. Presumably policemen are bad because they don't catch pirates,
    and naval vessels are bad because they don't catch burglars.

    As speed cameras are used in many areas instead of actual coppers, Dan
    has a perfectly valid point. I am 100% in favour of the cameras but am
    100% against the reduction in numbers of traffic police.

    Cheers,
    Luke

    --
    Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
    exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>


  20. Quoted message said:

    Maybe we should ban aspirins cos they don't cure cancer?

    Funny you should mention that:

    BUPA 17/3/03

    Every year in the UK there are approximately 35410 new cases of
    colorectal (bowel) cancer.

    Each year in the UK there are roughly 7250 new cases of oesophageal
    cancer, 4000 of mouth cancer and 2200 of throat cancer.

    Three studies looked at the possibility that aspirin could help reduce
    the risk of cancer - of the mouth, throat, oesophagus and bowel.

    An association was found between aspirin use and reduction of cancer
    risk.

    Although interested in the research, experts say further
    investigations are required before firm conclusions can be drawn. At
    the moment, they warn against taking aspirin of your own accord, as it
    may cause side-effects such as stomach ulcers and bleeding.

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