Passing on the right.......

: :> It is a place to walk or jog and not be run over by a bike. ;-)

: So this means you can basically see everyone on the track, since it is
: rather open due to the field in the middle, right?
:
: If that's so, I don't see how you two didn't know there were bikes out
: there...and hence that you could be overtaken from behind by someone on
one.

Bingo! Give the man a cigar! The only reason they didn't know that they
'could' be overtaken by a bike was because they were in their own little
world, oblivious to everything else AND secure in the thoughts that everyone
else would look out for Maggie and friends' best interests. Therefore, there
was no need for Maggie and friend to be on the alert.

Pat in TX

Pat said:

The only reason they didn't know that they 'could' be overtaken by a
bike was because they were in their own little world, oblivious to
everything else AND secure in the thoughts that everyone else would
look out for Maggie and friends' best interests. Therefore, there was
no need for Maggie and friend to be on the alert.

Quoted message said:

Pat in TX

I love you too Pat.

FROM THE GREATNESS OF ROD STEWART:

Baby Jane I've said all I want to say
go your own way don't think twice about me
Cause I've got ideas and plans of my own
so long darlin' I'll miss you believe me
The lesson learned was so hard to swallow
but I know that I'll survive
I'm gonna take a good look at myself and cry
I won't be that dumb again ;-)

Maggie

1oki said:

"Maggie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

1oki said:

Ever see mall walkers?

My parents are in their 80's (85 and 83) and they do the mall walking
all winter. They are very fit and healthy because of it. Exercise is
great, no matter how you do it. If walking in a mall is the way you
can get out and exercise...go for it. Thats just my opinion. And we
all know I have very little to say but say it anyway. ;-)

Oh, no nothing wrong with it at all. It just struck me as odd that these
walkers would choose to walk in a mall.

In winter? Sure. On brutally hot sticky humid summer days? OK. But I've
seen them do it on gorgeous spring and autumn days.

It's their choice and their welcome to it. It just seems odd to me.

Seems odd. But walkers get to know each other, look forward to meeting/walking
with one another. Change in venue would require coordination and planning. The
easiest thing, then, is to always go to the mall. Too, inclement weather is
much less of a care when one is indoors.

Maggie said:

Jeff Starr said:

Did you get your cyclocomputer installed?

Quoted message said:

Life is Good!
Jeff

Jeff,
Do you think I got it installed yet? What are the odds?
Maggie

(sigh) Dog-gone-it, Maggie. If you'll build a signal fire in your front yard
tonight so I can find you, I will bring screwdriver, wire ties, and marshmellows
and cheer you on while you install that thing! ;-)

Claire Petersky said:

"Maggie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Tom Keats wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Bells are the Civilized audible signaling device for bicycles.
They're universally recognizable.

Why did people stop taking bells off their bikes?

Peds around here think, "oh, there's a little tinkling noise behind me", not
"here comes a bike". Yelling, "Bicycle behind you" is universally
recognizable (unless they don't speak English).

A fair amount of non-English on the trails around here. Not a problem, they
don't seem to be the ones in the way.

I could see the bell being a bit deceptive, a ped hears the bell 40 yards back
and starts thinking in terms of cute little kid passing in another 10-20 seconds
and then one of us is blasting by in the next instant. I don't think the bell
gives the doppler speed info thats needed.

I don't ride trails that aren't mostly bike specific anymore. Rollerbladers have
similar inertia issues and share a trail well. But these family bike trips with
the kids riding in the middle of the path and parents on the edge (who thought
that up) and walkers and what not, I mostly don't want anything to do with.

Now the dog walking - In what way does _pavement_ improve the dog walking
experience? Why on earth are they trying to share a paved path with us. Here,
the rule is 6 foot leash. This is widely disobeyed.

Anyway, I think you're approach of a verbal call out works best. My only problem
with it is being able to sound pleasant at it. But then again, I don't ride
those places much anymore.

Ron

Zoot Katz said:

Wed, 18 May 2005 13:48:53 GMT, <[email hidden]>,

Michael said:

Nowhere for me to go except the
rough! Gotta brake, lose pace and momentum.

Stop, you're breakin' my heart.
Get off the FMUP if you don't want to conduct yourself like a
pedestrian. You're a guest there. Pedestrians always have the right of
way on what's basically a sidewalk.

Depends on the path. Here in Tampa you've got a few different ones, some
definitely belong to the cyclists, with accomodation of the occasional runner,
horse or blader. Others of course are the other way around. Even on those, it'd
be nice if people kept their heads out of their butts. I don't get the appeal of
walking on pavement, but I'll let them have their trails in peace.

Ron

1oki said:

"Paul R" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

It just seems completely absurd to me that there actually exists a place
to
go walk around in circles.

That's all.

Ever see mall walkers?

Air conditioning.

Otherwise, no, it makes no sense to walk or run in circles or on some unyielding
paved thing.

Ron

Bob Burns said:

BTW, Maggie, I'm an ex-Essex County person.

What town did you live in? Most people think of Essex county as
Newark. They don't seem to understand how many towns make up Essex
County. I don't think I could explain Essex County to people who do
not live here. It's a strange, fast paced, area with alot of road rage.
Not at all a laid back type of area.

Maggie.

Bill Sornson said:

What's she wearing?

(OOOPS. Wrong newsgroup.)

John Smith

What are you wearing?

Pocahontas

Maggie <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> > :> Do you think I got it installed yet? What are the odds?
:> > :> Maggie
:> >
:> > Apparently, nil. That's a sad statement, Maggie.
:>
:>
:> I really don't think I need it. I'm enjoying the bike with out it.
:> I want to see if they will exchange it for a ting a ling bell. Makes
:> more sense to me. ;-)

A bell would be a good idea....I suggest you get both. I doubt they'd
exchange it after your keeping it out to the store for so long...

:>
:> When I use the computers on the gym equipment it just makes me focus
:> on how long or how far I am riding or walking. I think I would just
:> rather enjoy the ride.

Gym equipment and riding a bike to two very different things. While
enjoying your bike ride, once you see how close you are to the end and you
can weigh that against how easy it was, you'll find new motivations. My bike
computer works for me....I can hardly ride without it. When i started
riding this season I was really upset when found that my computer wasn't
working right...I thought I had somehow fouled it up...but, it turned the
that battery needed replacing...knowing my current speed, my average speed,
my max speed, the time I've spent riding, etc, all come together somehow to
enhance the experience. Of course, one could get this like this working out
in the gym...but the major difference is being outside, taking in the
scenery and the fresh air. That's a high that just blows my mind...oh...and
then there is the performance metric...I like pushing myself...seeing if I
can do a little bit better than last time, or seeing how certain dietary
decisions I made affect my performance. In the end, I guess you've just got
to be cut from a certain cloth to get the point...

:>
:> I'm looking at my Cyclocomputer right now...with all its eight
:> functions. If I don't put it on the bike for this weekend....I am
:> getting a bell.

I suggest you get both. How much does that bell cost?

Michael <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> Maggie wrote:
:> >
:> > Jeff Starr wrote:
:> > >
:> > > Did you get your cyclocomputer installed?
:> >
:> > > Life is Good!
:> > > Jeff
:> >
:> > Jeff,
:> > Do you think I got it installed yet? What are the odds?
:> > Maggie
:>
:>
:> (sigh) Dog-gone-it, Maggie. If you'll build a signal fire in your
:> front yard tonight so I can find you, I will bring screwdriver, wire
:> ties, and marshmellows and cheer you on while you install that
:> thing! ;-)

If that bell she wants isn't too expensive...I'm going to offer to buy it
for her IF she get's the computer installed and working...

On 19 May 2005 02:40:51 -0700, "Maggie" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I really don't think I need it. I'm enjoying the bike with out it. I
want to see if they will exchange it for a ting a ling bell. Makes
more sense to me. ;-)

When I use the computers on the gym equipment it just makes me focus on
how long or how far I am riding or walking. I think I would just
rather enjoy the ride.

I'm looking at my Cyclocomputer right now...with all its eight
functions. If I don't put it on the bike for this weekend....I am
getting a bell.

Maggie

Geez Maggie, you can have both the cyclocomputer and your bell.I'm
sure there is room.

We already explained to you the benefits of some of the functions. Had
you installed it, you would know whether 25 miles will be a challenge.
If you join a club, they are helpful to find turn offs. The cue sheets
I see, all have the distance of each leg. If you know the next turn
off is 3.7 miles, you can start paying attention, near 3.6 miles.

They aren't a necessity, but they do have benefits. If you have
forgotten what you were told last time, then do a search of the
archives.

A bell, like a helmet doesn't free you from being attentive and
responsible for your actions. You still need to be alert and
anticipate the unexpected.

Life is Good!
Jeff

Roger Zoul said:

If that bell she wants isn't too expensive...I'm going to offer to buy it
for her IF she get's the computer installed and working...

I'm beginning to think she doesn't really want it installed. It would
only remind her that she's not riding the bike.

Hmmm.... has anyone ever seen Maggie and iron Bill at the same time?

Rich

Pat said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> It is a place to walk or jog and not be run over by a bike. ;-)

Quoted message said:

So this means you can basically see everyone on the track, since it
is rather open due to the field in the middle, right?

If that's so, I don't see how you two didn't know there were bikes
out there...and hence that you could be overtaken from behind by
someone on one.

Bingo! Give the man a cigar! The only reason they didn't know that
they 'could' be overtaken by a bike was because they were in their
own little world, oblivious to everything else AND secure in the
thoughts that everyone else would look out for Maggie and friends'
best interests. Therefore, there was no need for Maggie and friend to
be on the alert.

Except in this case there were TWO cyclists, and they SPLIT left/right after
an inappropriate-for-the-venue warning of "on your left".

FAILURE TO CONTROL SPEED TO AVOID COLLISION.

Period.

"Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

: We have a girl from Texas staying with us for a year and let me

tell

Quoted message said:

: you things really are different there.
:
: Mike in Vancouver

Well of course they are, darlin'. Texas is a whole nuther country!

Pat

Little Texas is a whole nuther planet.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Maggie said:

Jeff Starr said:

Did you get your cyclocomputer installed?

Quoted message said:

Life is Good!
Jeff

Jeff,
Do you think I got it installed yet? What are the odds?

I, too, would rather ride a bicycle than a computer.

cheers,
Tom

--
-- Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca

On Thu, 19 May 2005 11:08:31 -0700, [email hidden] (Tom Keats)

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Maggie said:

Jeff Starr said:

Did you get your cyclocomputer installed?

Quoted message said:

Life is Good!
Jeff

Jeff,
Do you think I got it installed yet? What are the odds?

I, too, would rather ride a bicycle than a computer.

cheers,
Tom

What do you mean "I too". You and I have no idea why she hasn't
gotten it done. My guess is that it hasn't been convenient. And I
doubt that your reasons, are her reasons.

Some people have no interest in what they are accomplishing, they just
do what they do, and that's ok. Then, there are those of us who find
the info supplied by the cyclocomputer interesting and keep track of
it, another part of the total experience.

I really like seeing the progress that I have made, both in speed and
distance. Being aware of my cadence has made me a better rider. It's
like a heart rate monitor, I use one for my rides and keep track of
the info. But, I wear it on my wrist, not mounted on the bars. I
seldom even look at it, during a ride. For me it is both a learning
tool and a way of monitoring my performance.

If you can find anyone who has figured out how to ride a computer, I
would be interested. Mine doesn't have wheels, even my home PC, is not
rideable;-)

Life is Good!
Jeff

In article <[email hidden]>,

Jeff Starr said:

What do you mean "I too". You and I have no idea why she hasn't
gotten it done. My guess is that it hasn't been convenient. And I
doubt that your reasons, are her reasons.

Some people have no interest in what they are accomplishing, they just
do what they do, and that's ok. Then, there are those of us who find
the info supplied by the cyclocomputer interesting and keep track of
it, another part of the total experience.

I've been on both sides of that. I prefer my current side. I've
got several years' worth of riding journal/log that I hardly ever
look at now. In retrospect my own cycloputer didn't do anything
for me that I couldn't have accomplished without it.

Quoted message said:

I really like seeing the progress that I have made, both in speed and
distance. Being aware of my cadence has made me a better rider. It's
like a heart rate monitor, I use one for my rides and keep track of
the info. But, I wear it on my wrist, not mounted on the bars. I
seldom even look at it, during a ride. For me it is both a learning
tool and a way of monitoring my performance.

Hey, whatever works for you; that goes for anybody. But I'm not
gonna nag Maggie to install her cycloputer if she doesn't want to.
And I'm certainly not going to suggest to her that cycloputers
are essential. What has mostly contributed to improvement in my
own riding skills is just plain riding, and learning from others.

Quoted message said:

If you can find anyone who has figured out how to ride a computer, I
would be interested. Mine doesn't have wheels, even my home PC, is not
rideable;-)

I find it interesting how the ride reports in r.b.rides
speak in terms of the experience of the ride -- the sights,
traffic, weather, road conditions etc, while in r.b.misc the
emphasis seems to be on numbers like annual milage, highest
speed attained, elevation gains or highest cadence. I'm not
finding fault with anything or criticizing anybody, it's just
interesting to note how the r.b.rides community seems to be
more appreciative of the qualitative, while the r.b.misc
community concentrates on the quantitative.

Besides, after one too many bunny hops, a cycloputer head will
go flying off its mount to be lost like a blinkie, anyways.
But life (and riding) will go on.

cheers,
Tom

--
-- "Who needs information, when you're working undergound"
-- Roger Waters, from his Radio KAOS album

Tom Keats wrote:
it's just

Quoted message said:

interesting to note how the r.b.rides community seems to be
more appreciative of the qualitative, while the r.b.misc
community concentrates on the quantitative.

cheers,
Tom

Then what am I doing in r.b.misc? I thought I was here because I could
add some Misc. Cause that is what I do best.

Maggie. (Queen of useless information and many song lyrics).

WE lived in Irvington when first married, then later in Cedar Grove. I
actually grew up in Hillside, in Union County, and went to college at Newark
Rutgers. WE moved out in '66 to Michigan and never looked back!

--
Bob Burns
Mill Hall PA
"Maggie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Bob Burns said:

BTW, Maggie, I'm an ex-Essex County person.

What town did you live in? Most people think of Essex county as
Newark. They don't seem to understand how many towns make up Essex
County. I don't think I could explain Essex County to people who do
not live here. It's a strange, fast paced, area with alot of road rage.
Not at all a laid back type of area.

Maggie.