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Ummm...modulation of the deceleration rate is *exactly* a function of a bicycle helmet. The helmet
deforms on impact, absorbing energy and slowing head deceleration.

Nevertheless, helmets aren't very effective if an unprotected portion of the head is impacted. That
*may* be what happened to AK as he is described to have suffered a 'face-plant'. IIRC, Fabio
Casartelli also was reported to have impacted a portion of the head not protected by a helmet.

As for me, I feel naked without a helmet and have retuned to the car after cycling a short distance
and realizing what the 'odd' feeling was - forgot the helmet!

Todd

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Ummm...modulation of the deceleration rate is *exactly* a function of a bicycle helmet. The helmet
deforms on impact, absorbing energy and slowing head deceleration.

Nevertheless, helmets aren't very effective if an unprotected portion of

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head is impacted. That *may* be what happened to AK as he is described to have suffered a
'face-plant'. IIRC, Fabio Casartelli also was reported to have impacted a portion of the head not
protected by a helmet.

As for me, I feel naked without a helmet and have retuned to the car after cycling a short
distance and realizing what the 'odd' feeling was - forgot the helmet!

Todd

I don't disagree with anything you've written. I do think there are limits to the amount of energy a
helmet can absorb. For the record, I will concede the point that doctors think a helmet may have
lessened the injuries to AK. I still believe that mandating helmets will not prevent further
tragedies(some maybe, but not all)

I would hate to see a situation like we have in football. Players get so much gear on that they feel
invincible. As a result, the sport is much more violent than it was 20 years ago. Imagine how
aggressive riders would become on a tough decent, or in a bunch sprint if they lost a little bit of
the "Fear Factor"? I think we would see a lot more crashes, and a lot more injuries. Again - This is
my opinion. People who think helmets should be mandatory also have some very good arguments. I think
the best solution is somewhere in between, and that's why some pros wear helmets, and some don't.

-Tom

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Imagine how aggressive riders would become on a tough decent, or in a bunch sprint if they lost a
little bit of the "Fear Factor"?

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Your analysis is ridiculous. Bike racers are scared of crashing with or without helmets. Even if one
feels like there will not be a skull fracture, there are collarbones, wrists, femurs to break, skin
to be shredded against the pavement, trees to hit, immovable concrete barriers, cliffs to fall over.

Actually, if you read carefully, it doesn't really say anything about there being a competitive
disadvantage to wearing a helmet. To the contrary, it said that studies show that the newer helmets,
due to the ventilation and insulation, actually have a cooling effect, making a riders head surface
temp up to 14 degrees cooler, thus allowing the core temp to cool much faster. Furthermore,
Carmichael said that wearing a helmet wouldn't make a difference in climbing speed, and that
tradition is the main reason more pros don't wear them.

-Suz

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<< >Cofidis' Kivilev was caught up in a crash and last time we saw him

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lying motionless on the ground. Ugh.

He's in a coma, with a cracked skull (forehead) and two broken ribs. >>

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Your analysis is ridiculous. Bike racers are scared of crashing with or

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concrete barriers, cliffs to fall over.

Unbelievable, I actually agree with something Henry said. Well put, Henry.

-Suz

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Your analysis is ridiculous. Bike racers are scared of crashing with or

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skull fracture, there are collarbones, wrists, femurs to break, skin to be

shredded against the pavement, trees to hit, immovable

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concrete barriers, cliffs to fall over.

It may be ridiculous, but it's still my opinion. I'm not saying that helmets alone would remove the
fear. But I think technology could advance to develop light weight, anti-shred materials. Anything
that could give a rider a (false?) sense of security might make a lesser skilled rider, a little
more aggressive. People are scared of dying. If a borderline rider weighed the risk between broken
bones and a podium finish, they may ride different than if the option was death. Technology has a
way of making mediocre athletes competitive. Already we see people taking steroids, knowing the
possible long term effects. Would the same number of people take them if they knew it could kill
them (sooner rather than later) ? I admit, for the majority of experienced riders I don't think this
would be a problem. It's the borderline / inexperienced riders looking for a contract that could
become a danger to the rest.

Given the relatively few number of fatal accidents in Pro racing (what mandatory helmets are trying
to prevent) I think there are more of the "borderline" riders who will take more chances as other
"safety" equipment becomes available. Maybe I'm just talking out my ass on this, but I think it's
something to consider.

-Tom

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Should wearing helmets be enforced?

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As much as they should enforce wearing full body armor. The helmet wouldn't have helped much
with the broken ribs

You're kidding, right? He wouldn't be in a coma from broken ribs. Apparently you've fallen on
your head a few times. Maybe you should wear a helmet.

Never said anything about a coma. Punctured lungs, ruptured spleens, etc can be just as traumatic.
I wear a helmet, but that's my choice. From what I've read, his injuries were due to a "Face
Plant". I'm not sure a helmet would have helped. In most fatal cases (Like auto racing) it's the
sudden deceleration that causes major injury. They have yet to design a helmet that prevents that.
My opinion is that a helmet might prevent some head injuries, it won't prevent all injuries and
it's not guaranteed to save your life. You are welcome to your opinion.

For the record, helmets have never been shown to prevent any fatal injuries. They seem to translate
minor injuries into more minor injuries but accidents in which a fatality occurs include forces many
times greater than a helmet can benefit.

Helmets are a piece of clothing. If you want to pretend that your helmet is making you faster
fine. If you want to pretend that your helmet is making you less likely to die, fine. But in fact
neither is true.

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> As much as they should enforce wearing full body armor. The helmet wouldn't have helped much
> with the broken ribs

You're kidding, right? He wouldn't be in a coma from broken ribs. Apparently you've fallen on
your head a few times. Maybe you should wear a helmet.

Never said anything about a coma. Punctured lungs, ruptured spleens, etc can be just as
traumatic. I wear a helmet, but that's my choice. From what I've read, his injuries were due to a
"Face Plant". I'm not sure a helmet would have helped. In most fatal cases (Like auto racing)
it's the sudden deceleration that causes major injury. They have yet to design a helmet that
prevents that. My opinion is that a helmet might prevent some head injuries, it won't prevent all
injuries and it's not guaranteed to save your life. You are welcome to your opinion.

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For the record, helmets have never been shown to prevent any fatal injuries.

The logic of this statement is rather bizarre...

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They seem to translate minor injuries into more minor injuries but accidents in which a fatality
occurs include forces many times greater than a helmet can benefit.

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Helmets are a piece of clothing. If you want to pretend that your helmet is making you faster
fine. If you want to pretend that your helmet is making you less likely to die, fine. But in fact
neither is true.

We are not talking about "hi-tech no shred" materials. FWIW, I agree that there are some sports
where the equipment gives a false sense of security. This is NOT the case with bicycle helmets,
where it is easy to forget one is wearing it.

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Your analysis is ridiculous. Bike racers are scared of crashing with or

without helmets. Even if one feels like there will not be a

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skull fracture, there are collarbones, wrists, femurs to break, skin to

be

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shredded against the pavement, trees to hit, immovable

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concrete barriers, cliffs to fall over.

It may be ridiculous, but it's still my opinion. I'm not saying that

helmets

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alone would remove the fear. But I think technology could advance to

develop

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light weight, anti-shred materials. Anything that could give a rider a (false?) sense of security
might make a lesser skilled rider, a little

more

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aggressive. People are scared of dying. If a borderline rider weighed the risk between broken
bones and a podium finish, they may ride different

than

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if the option was death. Technology has a way of making mediocre athletes competitive. Already we
see people taking steroids, knowing the possible long term effects. Would the same number of
people take them if they knew

it

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could kill them (sooner rather than later) ? I admit, for the majority of experienced riders I
don't think this would be a problem. It's the borderline / inexperienced riders looking for a
contract that could become

a

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danger to the rest.

Given the relatively few number of fatal accidents in Pro racing (what mandatory helmets are
trying to prevent) I think there are more of the "borderline" riders who will take more chances as
other "safety" equipment becomes available. Maybe I'm just talking out my ass on this, but I think
it's something to consider.

-Tom

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We are not talking about "hi-tech no shred" materials. FWIW, I agree that there are some sports
where the equipment gives a false sense of security. This is NOT the case with bicycle helmets,
where it is easy to forget one

is

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wearing it.

My point is that there is an inherent risk in racing. If you try to remove some of the risk, people
will take bigger risks. It is human nature to push the envelope. Most people who wear helmets
(including myself) do not feel as comfortable riding without a helmet. In these cases, I (and I
would think most of those people) focus even more attention on safety. Not because wearing a helmet
decreases my chance of getting in a crash, but because I no longer have that sense of security. If
anyone could guarantee that mandatory helmets would eliminate all fatal racing accidents, I'd be all
for it. If all (or a majority) of the racers decided they should all wear helmets, I'd support it.
But, If you tell a racer that he must wear a helmet (or any other type of safety equipment) for his
own safety, then I think some of them will take this as a cue to take more risks. I'm not saying
this would be true for all racers, it may not be true for any, but I think it's highly likely that
one or two of the less skilled racers will push the envelope a little further and cause trouble.

-Tom

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Didn't they try to mandate and enforce helmet use back in the early 90s? I remember protests by
the riders about having to wear the "hot and heavy" helmets of the day.

As far as I'm concerned, if you are a professional that values his career, I'd wear a
helmet. Otherwise, you could end up like Kivilev... Just one stupid fall, and bang! there
goes your career.

I feel naked without my helmet on. I especially don't trust other riders in the packs that I've
been riding in lately.

Do I think mandating helmet use is the way to go? Probably not. If you want to be an idiot and not
wear your helmet, great. Just don't come crying to me when you end up with a fractured skull!

Mike

The issue hasn't gone unnoticed:

"But this will put the highlight on the means of protection which are today at the disposal of the
runners. They are more important than ten years ago and they are made to avoid similar dramas. And
like for the road regulations, there are moments when the civic rules must be put before personal
freedom. We think that the official as much as the sporting authorities, will have to concentrate on
these facts."

So will helmets be required in the TdF from now on? That could change everything.

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Your analysis is ridiculous. Bike racers are scared of crashing with or

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skull fracture, there are collarbones, wrists, femurs to break, skin to

be

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shredded against the pavement, trees to hit, immovable

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concrete barriers, cliffs to fall over.

It may be ridiculous, but it's still my opinion. I'm not saying that

helmets

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alone would remove the fear. But I think technology could advance to

develop

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light weight, anti-shred materials. Anything that could give a rider a (false?) sense of security
might make a lesser skilled rider, a little

more

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aggressive. People are scared of dying. If a borderline rider weighed the risk between broken
bones and a podium finish, they may ride different

than

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if the option was death. Technology has a way of making mediocre athletes competitive. Already we
see people taking steroids, knowing the possible long term effects. Would the same number of
people take them if they knew

it

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could kill them (sooner rather than later) ? I admit, for the majority of experienced riders I
don't think this would be a problem. It's the borderline / inexperienced riders looking for a
contract that could become

a

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danger to the rest.

Given the relatively few number of fatal accidents in Pro racing (what mandatory helmets are
trying to prevent) I think there are more of the "borderline" riders who will take more chances as
other "safety" equipment becomes available. Maybe I'm just talking out my ass on this, but I think
it's something to consider.

-Tom

Sorry Tom, I too agree with Henry, your theory is ridiculous...

Danny Callen ...feels so damn good to finally agree with Henry on something...

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> As much as they should enforce wearing full body armor. The helmet wouldn't have helped much
> with the broken ribs

You're kidding, right? He wouldn't be in a coma from broken ribs. Apparently you've fallen on
your head a few times. Maybe you should

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a helmet.

Never said anything about a coma. Punctured lungs, ruptured spleens,

etc

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can be just as traumatic. I wear a helmet, but that's my choice. From

what

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I've read, his injuries were due to a "Face Plant". I'm not sure a

helmet

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would have helped. In most fatal cases (Like auto racing) it's the

sudden

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deceleration that causes major injury. They have yet to design a helmet

that

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prevents that. My opinion is that a helmet might prevent some head injuries, it won't prevent
all injuries and it's not guaranteed to save

your

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life. You are welcome to your opinion.

For the record, helmets have never been shown to prevent any fatal injuries. They seem to
translate minor injuries into more minor injuries but accidents in which a fatality occurs include
forces many times greater than a helmet can benefit.

Your statement seems to violate common sense. Do you have any sources for your apparently
bizarre opinion?

Does the same hold for football players? Batters in baseball? Motorcycle racers? Alpine skiers?

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Helmets are a piece of clothing. If you want to pretend that your helmet is making you faster
fine. If you want to pretend that your helmet is making you less likely to die, fine. But in fact
neither is true.

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Didn't they try to mandate and enforce helmet use back in the early 90s?

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remember protests by the riders about having to wear the "hot and heavy" helmets of the day.

As far as I'm concerned, if you are a professional that values his

career,

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I'd wear a helmet. Otherwise, you could end up like Kivilev... Just

one

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stupid fall, and bang! there goes your career.

I feel naked without my helmet on. I especially don't trust other

riders in

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the packs that I've been riding in lately.

Do I think mandating helmet use is the way to go? Probably not. If you want to be an idiot and
not wear your helmet, great. Just don't come

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to me when you end up with a fractured skull!

Mike

The issue hasn't gone unnoticed:

"But this will put the highlight on the means of protection which are today at the disposal of the
runners. They are more important than ten years ago and they are made to avoid similar dramas. And
like for the road regulations, there are moments when the civic rules must be put before personal
freedom. We think that the official as much as the sporting authorities, will have to concentrate
on these facts."

So will helmets be required in the TdF from now on? That could change everything.

The Tour mandating helmets would probably set the standard for the rest of the pro peloton
to follow.

I said it somewhere else earlier. All of us debating the helmet issue is worth about as much as a
pile of spit. WE don't make the stinkin' rules, Hein Verbruggen and the UCI do. You can argue till
you are blue in the face, but isn't that energy better spent ON the bike?

Mike

Get used to saying that if you are going to have a conversation with Tom.

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The Tour mandating helmets would probably set the standard for the rest of the pro peloton
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Agreed, but the TdF is sanctioned by the UCI and FFC and their rules. Not the other way around.

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The TdF, when it visits Belgium, is obliged to wear helmets. No one has

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there.

The 2 most aggressive and dangerous sprinters in recent memory were

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over the place and Moncassin had the philosophy of "I get the space or

we both crash". Neither one of those maniacs wore a helmet.

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Moncassin's crazy squeeze-in move in TdF 199? prompted Tom Steels into

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"made" room.

Neither Adbu or Moncassin wore helmets.

Your theory may look good to you on paper, but reality shows that it sucks.

They both were a little mazzo. I remember seeing a photo of a big crash in the tour in 1996, and
sure enough, there was frederic moncassin in yellow but no helmet! Same with Cipo. Abdujaparov was
somewhere in the photo, but you can't see him. It was the crash where svorada went down while
wearing the green jersey and ended up taking a few other guys with him, and then abandoned the
next day. However, these days most of the sprinters seem to wear helmets, but I remember noticing
how quite a few of the guys in that photo were NOT. Svorada was, I recall, and so was Brochard who
also crashed.

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The TdF, when it visits Belgium, is obliged to wear helmets. No one has

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there.

The 2 most aggressive and dangerous sprinters in recent memory were

Djamalodin Abdujapourov and Frederic Moncassin. Abdu was all

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over the place and Moncassin had the philosophy of "I get the space or

we both crash". Neither one of those maniacs wore a helmet.

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Moncassin's crazy squeeze-in move in TdF 199? prompted Tom Steels into

his famous bidon throwing incident. There was no room, but FM

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"made" room.

Neither Adbu or Moncassin wore helmets.

Your theory may look good to you on paper, but reality shows that it sucks.

They both were a little mazzo. I remember seeing a photo of a big crash in the tour in 1996, and
sure enough, there was frederic moncassin in yellow but no helmet! Same with Cipo. Abdujaparov was
somewhere in the photo, but you can't see him. It was the crash where svorada went down while
wearing the green jersey and ended up taking a few other guys with him, and then abandoned the
next day. However, these days most of the sprinters seem to wear helmets, but I remember noticing
how quite a few of the guys in that photo were NOT. Svorada was, I recall, and so was Brochard who
also crashed.

Moncassin did not wear a helmet on days when everyone else did (the bidon throwing day, for
instance).

Moncassin *never* wore a helmet. IMO, he was the craziest one, even a little crazier than Abdu.

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Your theory may look good to you on paper, but reality shows that it

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The difference between theory and opinion is that theory attempts to establish fact while opinion
does not (I like blue more than red but that does not make blue "better" than red). I am not trying
to say that riders should not use helmets. I am not trying to say that there can never be a benefit
to wearing a helmet. What I am trying to say is consider the consequences of making helmets
mandatory. The riders you mentioned are ones I would consider to be "established". I was trying to
point out that mandatory helmets may give one or two fringe riders the courage to become a little
more aggressive over time - and ride beyond their ability. Your opinion is that this is not true.
Fine. I'm glad you can see into the mind of every rider. I'm not claiming to. I'm just asking that
you consider the possibility, and the consequences.

-Tom

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Why not simply ban bicycle racing. That way he wouldn't have fallen off at all.

Why not require it of all pros, and make it a non-issue? They don't let pros ride with fairings, or
aero bars in a peloton.

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As much as they should enforce wearing full body armor. The helmet

wouldn't

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have helped much with the broken ribs

"Tom Schulenburg"

You're kidding, right? He wouldn't be in a coma from broken ribs. Apparently you've fallen on
your head a few times. Maybe you should

wear a

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helmet.

Bob C.