Pack weight

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Hate to add weight, but 0.6l of meths won't do you much; 2
breakfasts and 2 evening meals at the most, I would have
thought.

I generally reckon to get 8 burns from my original Trangia
0.5 litre fuel bottle. You don't need to fill the Trangia
burner more than half full and can ofter get away with a
bit less ime.

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Also, don't underestimate the cold; I'd certainly take
hat & gloves at this time of year.

Sound advice that ! I spent part of the bh w/e and the w/e
before that in a bivvy bag on the South Downs Way and it was
b**** freezing ! I generally expect to be OK down to around
5 degrees C in my sleeping bag but I was fully clothed, hat
and all, and it was still colder than I've been before. It
will teach me to put the bag down on the crest of a ridge
that will..

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"andicee" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Thanks, one and all, for some, eventually, helpful
replies!! So in

essence,

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what we're saying is, you're a bloody smelly lot when on
the trail. I can cope with that but wifey may have a prob.

If you're either fit enough or walk slowly enough to avoid
overheating and sweating too much you shouldn't get very
smelly. There's always streams about to wash in and modern
synthetic T shirts dry out enough to use in the morning
overnight if you do need to wash them.

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andicee said:

Paul Rooney said:

Martin Richardson said:

I find one pair of Tilley underpants and a small pack of
baby wipes gets me through a whole week - although I do
notice the smell myself after a while.

Means then I have enough room in the pack for a pair of
wire cutters.

Good man! Good smelly man!

Cheers guys. Highly amusing replies one and all but NOT
very useful🙂 Seriously tho, even taking out a few pairs of
undies and 2 lightweight tshirts I'm only saving half a
pound at best. Come on, divulge pack weights and or
contents. Please!

Andy

Every little bit helps. Your Trangia. I really like mine,
but if I am trying to lighten up, I take the burner, a stand
cut from a tin can (Is that the right word in the UK? An ex
food container.) and a light weight pot. What are you using
for cutlery? Metal? Change to Lexan plastic. A good place to
look for lightening is to keep the pack, tent, and sleeping
bag at 10 pounds or less. Enjoy your walk.

Ted

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Quoted message said:

Paul Rooney said:

Martin Richardson said:

I find one pair of Tilley underpants and a small pack
of baby wipes gets me through a whole week - although I
do notice the smell myself after a while.

Means then I have enough room in the pack for a pair of
wire cutters.

Good man! Good smelly man!

Can I just say, eeeeeeeeuuuuwwww!

Quoted message said:

Cheers guys. Highly amusing replies one and all but NOT
very useful🙂 Seriously tho, even taking out a few pairs
of undies and 2 lightweight tshirts I'm only saving half a
pound at best. Come on, divulge pack

weights

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and or contents. Please!

Actually, it's wose than that because you haven't factored
in the GPS unit with several days worth of batteries and a
few pounds of camera kit. Both are URW *requirements*.
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"andicee" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Cheers guys. Highly amusing replies one and all but NOT
very useful🙂 Seriously tho, even taking out a few pairs
of undies and 2 lightweight tshirts I'm only saving half a
pound at best. Come on, divulge pack

weights

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and or contents. Please!

Depending on your goals and priorities it'd be perfectly
possible to do your walk across Dartmoor (is it the bottom
half of the 2 Moors Way?) carrying no pack at all and
staying in B&Bs if just doing it with as little effort as
possible is your main aim. But If you want to camp and lower
your packweight without forking out for new lighter gear
your only option is to leave stuff behind. If you think
about it the only things that are really essential are
enough clothes/shelter to keep you adequately protected from
the elements and enough food to keep you going. Anything
else is for more comfort or enjoyment whilst using it and
less comfort or enjoyment whilst carrying it. Everyone will
have their own preferred balance of this equation, not least
depending on their size and strength. Being quite small and
generally doing a lot of ascent taking in some easy
scrambling I err on the side of lightness compared to most
others I see.

A few things which help keep my own load light are sleeping
in my clothes and using a lighter sleeping bag, using a hat
for warmth (lighter than a fleece and just as warming) and
taking food that doesn't need any cooking equipment.

Here's a cut and paste from a previous thread on packweights
of what I take on solo trips in the Scottish hills.

Rucksack: LA Walkabout 45 (strap or two removed)...1420g
Tent: Sierra Designs Light YearCD...1610g Sleeping Bag:
Snugpak Travelite 500...652g Thermarest Ultralight
3/4...453g Waterproof Jacket: Berghaus Paclite Smock...259g
Microfleece: Parrot...270g Long Sleeve Base Layer: LA
Midweight Dryflo...186g Short Sleeve Base Layer: Berghaus
ACL...132g Spare Socks: Peter Storm Trainer Socks...55g
Fleece Hat...61g Gloves: Terra Nova Extremities...51g
Headtorch: Petzl Tikka...72g Compass + Whistle...31g Water
Bottles: Empty Soft Drinks Bottles...75g 3 Maps...285g Midge
Headnet...32g Toothpaste, Toothbrush, Cut Up Pack Towel,
Toilet Paper...80g Money, Keys, Pencil, Paper...82g

Pack Weight Without Food...5848g = 12.9lb

Food for 4/5 days to start with would be something like:

Maximum Water Carried + Squash...1500g 2 Packs Naan
Bread...704g 4 Packets Crisps... 110g 4 Plum Loafs...1020g 1
Packet Cheddar Biscuits...146g 1 Packet Shortbread
Biscuits...205g 2 Galaxy Chocolate Bars...310g 1 Packet
Peanuts...305g

Weight of Food + Water...4300g = 9.5lb

Total Pack Weight...10148g = 22.3lbs.

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Good man! Good smelly man!

Can I just say, eeeeeeeeuuuuwwww!

Quite so. There are several things I'd leave at home, but
clean knickers isn't on that list. What if I get run over by
a wild puma while I'm out? What would people think if I were
in dirty knickers?
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"AndyP" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Pack Weight Without Food...5848g = 12.9lb

Before anyone points out I can't add up, yes I know, I
started to update the list a bit from the last time I posted
it but then decided not to bother and messed it up a bit but
it's as right as makes little difference.

Martin Richardson said:

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"andicee" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Thanks, one and all, for some, eventually, helpful
replies!! So in essence, what we're saying is, you're a
bloody smelly lot when on the trail. I can cope with
that but wifey may have a prob.

If you're either fit enough or walk slowly enough to
avoid overheating and sweating too much you shouldn't get
very smelly. There's always streams about to wash in and
modern synthetic T shirts dry out enough to use in the
morning overnight if you do need to wash them.

I was serious earlier on about the Tilleys. And I've said
it before if you look at the washing instructions on the
label they recommend washing them in a stream, not using a
washing machine.

There is always the wear them back to front and inside out
on alternate days - to spread the load (as it were).

Nice 😉

andicee said:

Thanks, one and all, for some, eventually, helpful
replies!! So in essence, what we're saying is, you're a
bloody smelly lot when on the trail. I can cope with that
but wifey may have a prob. I realise that the age of the
gear is contributing to the weight, but don't want to go
and spend loads of dosh when what I'm looking for is
economy at the mo'. I actually have 2 x 0.6l meths and we
won't be bashing it. Looking forward to the occasional pub
lunch. I am gonna leave the hydration pack filled with
Stella at home tho'!!!!! I'm gonna go and repack, and may
get to the 'sawing handles off toothbrushes' stage. Will
have to as I'd forgotten to pack the toothbrushes!!
ANOTHER couple of ounces. Doh! Thanks again and will keep
you posted. Going end of May incidentally.

Andy

I would just like to add that we are not all smelly! If you
are prone to sweating, then you might want to stick with
your fresh pair of undies every day. If I wear the same
pair for walking on two consecutive days, I end up with
what can only be described as 'nappy rash'. Of course, I
don't bother with extra tops, other than the 'pub clothes'
for the evening.

On a slightly more sensible note regarding total weight: the
Duke of Edinburgh Scheme suggests carrying no more than 1
fifth bodyweight on the expedition, and no more than 20
kilos total. Of course, they are talking about young people,
but it seems a good rule to follow. I've even bought myself
a set of 50lb fishermans scales to stop one of my lot
carrying too many sweets...

Geoff

Geoff Briggs said:

I would just like to add that we are not all smelly! If
you are prone to sweating, then you might want to stick
with your fresh pair of undies every day. If I wear the
same pair for walking on two consecutive days, I end up
with what can only be described as 'nappy rash'.

Are these "technical" nudies, or M&S's best cotton (or
similar). If the latter, I highly recommend a pair in your
favourite style and a wicking material. I use various from
Lowe and Rohan and find them vastly more comfortable over a
few days than plain cotton ones.

Pete.
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Quoted message said:

Geoff Briggs said:

I would just like to add that we are not all smelly! If
you are prone to sweating, then you might want to stick
with your fresh pair of undies every day. If I wear the
same pair for walking on two consecutive days, I end up
with what can only be described as 'nappy rash'.

Are these "technical" nudies,

Please post links to pictures of technical nudies :-)

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:28:19 +0100, Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>

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...I highly recommend a pair in your favourite style...

A pint of beer for the first (genuine) snap of some
female(*) atop any 3000' peak clad in hipster walking
trousers and a highly visible wicking thong ;-)

(*) Sorry, not very PC. Let's just say the beer offer is
retracted for any males so spotted.

[From www.georgefisher.co.uk on HH wicking briefs:
"windproof front panel". Well, it's arguable whether round
the back should be windproof or not...]

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There is always the wear them back to front and inside
out on alternate days - to spread the load (as it were).

Nice 😉

Yeeughhh!
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Peter Clinch said:

...I highly recommend a pair in your favourite style...

A pint of beer for the first (genuine) snap of some
female(*) atop any 3000' peak clad in hipster walking
trousers and a highly visible wicking thong ;-)

(*) Sorry, not very PC. Let's just say the beer offer is
retracted for any males so spotted.

[From www.georgefisher.co.uk on HH wicking briefs:
"windproof front panel". Well, it's arguable whether round
the back should be windproof or not...]

Good grief man, I'd expect a heck of a lot more than a pint
for a photo of a *man* in hipsters and wicking thong!
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"Martin Richardson" <[email hidden]> wrote

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There is always the wear them back to front and inside out
on alternate days - to spread the load (as it were).

Or don't wear any in the first place.

Fran said:

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Quoted message said:

A pint of beer for the first (genuine) snap of some
female(*) atop any 3000' peak clad in hipster walking
trousers and a highly visible wicking thong ;-)

(*) Sorry, not very PC. Let's just say the beer offer is
retracted for any males so spotted.

Good grief man, I'd expect a heck of a lot more than a pint
for a photo of a *man* in hipsters and wicking thong!

You women, you're *so* hard to please ;-)

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"Martin Richardson" <[email hidden]> wrote

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There is always the wear them back to front and inside
out on alternate days - to spread the load (as it were).

Or don't wear any in the first place.

With a kilt?

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- 0% to go
228/89 Donalds - 53% to go 0/? Himalayans - 100% to go
229/1552 Marilyns - 73% to go

I've e-mailed Andy (at his request) the list of things I took on my 7 day/
6 night wildcamping trip in the Lakes. For those who are interested, here
it is, with the weights in grams:

1540 sleeping bag (Snugpak Softie 9) 535 thermarest
(3/4 length Ultralight) 1570 tent (Hilleberg Akto, love
it) 2800 rucksack (Jack Wolfskin Agadir II, wish it
were lighter) 935 toiletries: (toothbrush, toothpaste,
floss, pack towel, medicines, nail clippers, handwash)
and toileting (trowel, pee bottle, toilet paper) 2550
cooking hardware (thermos, stove, gas, pan, windshield,
cutlery, cup, bowl, Swiss Army knife) 6125 food 800
torch, waterproof gloves, liner gloves, sunglasses,
sunscreen, neck gaiter, extra food, insect repellent,
spare batteries 310 spare clothing (light fleece) 430
repair and first-aid kits 390 2 extra maps 680
electronics (phone, GPS, watch/altimeter, batteries)
300 waterproof pack liners 200 books 190 miscellaneous
(keys, cash, rubbish bag) 1350 1 litre of water and
contents of thermos

This brings the "pack" weight to 20.7kg = 45.6 lbs.

I wore a base layer, Paramo Viento kit, distress
whistle, bandanna, approach shoes, wool hat and gloves,
and had a map, compass and notebook in my jacket, and a
camera on my shoulder. So I was carrying an additional
3490g (7.7 lbs).

Phil Cook said:

One of the great pleasures of a multiday backpack to the
wilds is getting clean afterwards, you can't beat ploughing
off a four-day stubble IMO.

Yes you can! Try eight days for a start :-)

And actually shaving off a full beard is great fun. You can
do it in stages, running out of the bathrom to cry "Hey, do
I look like Genghis Khan now?", etc..

Four days! You really haven't begun...

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Geoff Briggs said:

I would just like to add that we are not all smelly! If
you are prone to sweating,

Just a small point. Sweating is much more of a problem in
summer, as opposed to winter.

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Of course, I don't bother with extra tops, other than the
'pub clothes' for the evening.

What is this obsession with pubs? When I go backpacking I
don't go anywhere near pubs, or any other aspect of
civilisation for that matter. For me it's all about getting
away from it all, not getting briefly away from part of it,
with daily "civ" fixes.

Paul
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