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  1. From:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/25/AR2007032500542.html

    Hagel: Some See Impeachment As Option

    By HOPE YEN
    The Associated Press
    Sunday, March 25, 2007; 2:04 PM

    WASHINGTON -- With his go-it-alone approach on Iraq, President Bush is
    flouting Congress and the public, so angering lawmakers that some
    consider impeachment an option over his war policy, a senator from
    Bush's own party said Sunday.

    <snip>

    GOP Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, a member of the Senate Foreign
    Relations Committee and a frequent critic of the war, stopped short of
    calling for Bush's impeachment. But he made clear that some lawmakers
    viewed that as an option should Bush choose to push ahead despite
    public sentiment against the war.

    "Any president who says, I don't care, or I will not respond to what
    the people of this country are saying about Iraq or anything else, or
    I don't care what the Congress does, I am going to proceed _ if a
    president really believes that, then there are _ what I was pointing
    out, there are ways to deal with that," said Hagel, who is considering
    a 2008 presidential run.

    The Senate planned to begin debate Monday on a war spending bill that
    would set a nonbinding goal of March 31, 2008, for the removal of
    combat troops.

    That comes after the House narrowly passed a bill Friday that would
    pay for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan this year but would require that
    combat troops come home from Iraq before September 2008 _ or earlier
    if the Iraqi government did not meet certain requirements.

    On Sunday, Hagel said he was bothered by Bush's apparent disregard of
    congressional sentiment on Iraq, such as his decision to send
    additional troops. He said lawmakers now stood ready to stand up to
    the president when necessary.

    In the April edition of Esquire magazine, Hagel described Bush as
    someone who doesn't believe he's accountable to anyone. "He's not
    accountable anymore, which isn't totally true. You can impeach him,
    and before this is over, you might see calls for his impeachment. I
    don't know. It depends on how this goes," Hagel told the magazine.

    In his weekly address Saturday, Bush accused Democrats of partisanship
    in the House vote and said it would cut the number of troops below a
    level that U.S. military commanders say they need. Vice President [censored]
    Cheney also accused Democrats of undermining U.S. troops in Iraq and
    of sending a message to terrorists that America will retreat in the
    face danger.

    "We have clearly a situation where the president has lost the
    confidence of the American people in his war effort," Hagel said. "It
    is now time, going into the fifth year of that effort, for the
    Congress to step forward and be part of setting some boundaries and
    some conditions as to our involvement."

    "This is not a monarchy," he added, referring to the possibility that
    some lawmakers may seek impeachment. "There are ways to deal with it.
    And I would hope the president understands that."

    Lott said setting withdrawal dates is a futile and potentially
    dangerous exercise because Bush has made clear he will veto any such
    legislation.

    "There are members in the Senate in both parties that are not
    comfortable with how things have gone in Iraq," Lott said. "But they
    understand that artificial timetables, even as goals, are a
    problem. ...We will try to take out the arbitrary dates."

    Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., said the Senate bill seeks to heed the
    recommendations of the bipartisan Iraq Study Group by setting a goal
    of withdrawing some troops while leaving others behind to train the
    Iraqi army for border patrol and other missions.

    "That, combined with a very aggressive, diplomatic effort in the
    region is what we're going to need to have," he said.

    Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said she believed that setting a
    timetable was appropriate but declined to predict whether it would
    garner enough Senate votes to pass.

    "People of this country have spoken overwhelmingly. It's been constant
    now," Feinstein said. "They want us out. It is time for the Senate to
    weigh in. I hope we will have the votes."

    Hagel spoke on ABC's "This Week," Feinstein and Lott appeared on "Fox
    News Sunday," and Nelson was on CNN's "Late Edition."

  2. Kurgan Gringioni said:

    From:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/25/AR200...

    Thank you.

    I must correct a comment I made some weeks ago IRT a Kunich outburst,
    "all you liberals want [something bad to happen to G. Bush]".

    At that time I replied (approx.) "No, we want a trial".

    Actually, I need to adjust the numbers on both ends of that comment:

    (1) need to speak for myself; and

    (2) change the amount of trials.

    So, the corrected content should be: "No, I'd like to see *lots* of
    trials.

    Which would include, of course, witnesses and defendants who are sworn
    in and must give testimony in open proceedings-- you know, "the old-
    fashioned way"; as intended by the Founding Fathers.

    There's a lot to answer for, including using "National Security" as a
    smokescreen.

    Maybe that's the best way to bring our soldiers home, too. So
    Nixonian (and LBJ/Gulf of Tonkinian), you know? --D-y

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