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  1. Spoooooooooonnnnnnnnnnn menace!

    <url:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/3857567.stm>

    Man cleared of murder with spoon

    A judge had to clear a court after an outburst when a man was cleared
    of murdering another man, by hitting him on the head with a dessert
    spoon.
    Family and friends of Timothy Magee shouted at the jury who returned
    the not guilty verdict at St Albans Crown Court on Thursday.

    Richard Clare, 31, a heroin addict was cleared of murder and an
    alternative charge of manslaughter.

    He was also cleared of causing actual bodily harm to another man.

    The court had heard Mr Clare used the spoon to inflict a fatal wound
    on Mr Magee, 38, in a row over a mobile phone on 28 November last
    year.

    Mr Clare hit Mr Magee on the back of the head with the spoon after he
    had taken the mobile phone from a third man.

    The spoon's impact ruptured an artery and caused fatal bleeding in the
    area between his skull and brain.

    Self-defence claim

    On the day of the incident, Mr Clare climbed out of a window at Vale
    House Drug Rehabilitation Centre, Hertford and took a taxi to disabled
    James Gibson's home in Blythway House, Welwyn Garden City.

    He was not able to collect cash that he thought Mr Gibson owed him,
    but admitted to stealing the man's phone in a bid to swap it for some
    heroin.

    Later, Timothy Magee, an acquaintance of Mr Gibson, joined him and
    tried to get the phone back.

    Mr Clare said he was acting in self defence after being butted by Mr
    Magee and suffering blows from Mr Gibson's walking aid.

    The jury was told that Mr Gibson had also died.

    Mr Clare denied murder and causing actual bodily harm to James Gibson.

    He admitted stealing the phone and was jailed for seven days by Judge
    Findlay Baker QC. Time spent on remand meant he was to be released
    immediately.

    Guy
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  2. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Spoooooooooonnnnnnnnnnn menace!

    <url:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/3857567.stm>

    Man cleared of murder with spoon

    A judge had to clear a court after an outburst when a man was cleared
    of murdering another man, by hitting him on the head with a dessert
    spoon.

    On the face of it that sounds a ludicrous charge to bring. And yet
    another triumph for the CPS.

    IIRR to find for murder its necessary to establish "mens rea" - that the
    accused realised there was a reasonable likelihood that his actions
    could result in the death of the victim. No sensible person could
    possibly imagine that hitting soemebody one blow on the back of the
    head with a spoon could kill him.

    Possibly if he'd been charged solely with manslaugher and abh to begin
    with, irrespective of any actual sentence passed, then the outcome might
    well have been differnt.

    Curious

    Quoted message said:

    Family and friends of Timothy Magee shouted at the jury who returned
    the not guilty verdict at St Albans Crown Court on Thursday.

    Richard Clare, 31, a heroin addict was cleared of murder and an
    alternative charge of manslaughter.

    He was also cleared of causing actual bodily harm to another man.

    The court had heard Mr Clare used the spoon to inflict a fatal wound
    on Mr Magee, 38, in a row over a mobile phone on 28 November last
    year.

    Mr Clare hit Mr Magee on the back of the head with the spoon after he
    had taken the mobile phone from a third man.

    The spoon's impact ruptured an artery and caused fatal bleeding in the
    area between his skull and brain.

    Self-defence claim

    On the day of the incident, Mr Clare climbed out of a window at Vale
    House Drug Rehabilitation Centre, Hertford and took a taxi to disabled
    James Gibson's home in Blythway House, Welwyn Garden City.

    He was not able to collect cash that he thought Mr Gibson owed him,
    but admitted to stealing the man's phone in a bid to swap it for some
    heroin.

    Later, Timothy Magee, an acquaintance of Mr Gibson, joined him and
    tried to get the phone back.

    Mr Clare said he was acting in self defence after being butted by Mr
    Magee and suffering blows from Mr Gibson's walking aid.

    The jury was told that Mr Gibson had also died.

    Mr Clare denied murder and causing actual bodily harm to James Gibson.

    He admitted stealing the phone and was jailed for seven days by Judge
    Findlay Baker QC. Time spent on remand meant he was to be released
    immediately.

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington


    University

  3. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Spoooooooooonnnnnnnnnnn menace!

    <url:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/3857567.stm>

    Man cleared of murder with spoon

    A judge had to clear a court after an outburst when a man was cleared
    of murdering another man, by hitting him on the head with a dessert
    spoon.

    Should have been wearing a h*lm*t.

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    Tumbleweed

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  4. Tumbleweed said:

    Should have been wearing a h*lm*t.


    See, it was on topic after all.

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