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  1. Below sums up ID so perfectly that it should be framed and put in every
    real scientists office and school biology class room.The following is a
    post from a science weblog that's been following ID closely:
    ___________________________________________________
    "I've got about 30 minutes to kill, so I might as well give some general
    thoughts on the IDists' reactions to the cataclysmic Dover decision.
    First: They don't get it. At all. One would think that this kind of
    decision - coming from a Lutheran Republican judge appointed by George
    Bush
    (that's George W. Bush, mind you), who, for six weeks watched exactly
    the
    kind of "Darwin[ists] on Trial" case that the IDists have been
    fantasizing
    about for years - would at least give the IDists a bit of pause. Perhaps
    some of those scientific, philosophical, and legal arguments - all of
    them
    tried out extensively by the Thomas More Law Center - weren't quite as
    convincing as the Discovery Institute had been putting on. No, instead,
    all
    we have seen is vituperation ("activist", "biased", and, presumably
    worst,
    "Darwinist"😉 directed at a judge who on any other day would be
    considered a
    model conservative.

    I'm pretty convinced that if another court case were held tomorrow, the
    ID
    side would try all of the same arguments over again. Behe would get up
    there
    and brazenly assert that scientists were baffled at the evolutionary
    origin
    of irreducibly complex systems, and again we would stack up the articles
    and
    books on the evolution of the immune system on his podium in front of
    him.
    Again, they would repeat the quarter-baked argument that evolution can't
    produce new genetic information, and again we would show the judge the
    peer-reviewed research articles showing how new genes come about. Again
    they
    would assert gaps in the fossil record, and again a paleontologist would
    show the judge - show the judge, right there in court - a bunch of
    transitional fossils that have been discovered in the last decade or so.
    They would claim that evolutionists make the contradictory claims that
    ID is
    both falsified and unfalsifiable, and again we would point out that
    evolution is testable, and the ID movement's claims against evolution
    have
    been tested and failed - but that the only positive argument they've
    got,
    "purposeful arrangement of parts", is untestable without some model of
    the
    purposeful agent and his purposes. Again, they would recite their fake
    history of their movement, ignoring the fact that all of the ID
    arguments
    were originally "creation science" arguments, and again we would show
    the
    judge the real history, the transitional forms (this time we'd make sure
    "cdesign proponentsists" made it onto the judge's computer screen during
    the
    trial), and the identity in tactics and argumentation between the two
    movements. And again, the judge would learn that the ID claims are
    simply
    thin soundbites that fall apart upon detailed examination, whereas the
    plaintiffs case is based on sound fundamentals - peer-reviewed science,
    well-documented history, coherant philosophy, and above all pragmatic
    considerations for what constitutes good science and good science
    education - and again, we would get an overwhelming ruling.

    Second: It is clear that many of the judge's critics, even those with
    law
    backgrounds, do not realize that every point in the judge's opinion -
    the
    scientific debunking of Behe's irreducible complexity, the philosophy of
    science, the theological history, etc. - was argued and fought for at
    trial.
    The judge heard every claim and every cross-examination point. Every
    single
    tired argument that the ID fans are repeating after the decision was
    brought
    up by TMLC and its witnesses and debunked in detail before the judge,
    during
    the bench trial. Anyone wishing to do a serious rebuttal of the judge's
    opinion has to look at his citations to the record - which is all
    online,
    except exhibits - and rebut the record he based his decision on.

    Finally, the ID movement has no one but themselves to blame for this
    decision. If you don't want damaging court decisions, don't make the
    very
    first book systematically using the term "intelligent design" a 9th
    grade
    biology textbook!!! Don't publish, and then distribute widely, law
    review
    articles confidently declaring the intellectual soundess of ID, and
    spinning
    rosy legal scenarios where consitutional difficulties evaporate.
    Whatever
    you do, don't send your propaganda videos to school board members who
    might
    actually take them to heart! In fact, if the ID movement were
    intellectually
    serious, they would withdraw completely from interfering with public
    education, realizing that introductory science classes simply have to
    educate students in the basics of accepted science, and are not the
    right
    places to try getting recruits for fringe science. They would stop
    trying to
    make their case in the media, and instead take the only legitimate route
    to
    academic respectability - winning the scientific battle, in the
    scientific
    community. IDists have made much of comparing ID to the Big Bang model -
    but
    did Big Bang proponents kick off their model in a high school textbook?
    Did
    they go around the country mucking with kiddies science standards to
    promote
    their view? Did they ever lobby legislators? I don't think so."

    ..

    --
    Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

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