OT: AMBER Alert!

"skip" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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"Larry Varney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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skip said:

I defer to Mr. Varney based on his Joshua Goldberg "man of Reason" certification.

And I may now certify you as a "man of Good Sense".

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I am honored sir.

skip

The ghost of Patrick O'Brian has taken residence in ARBR, I reckon.

rich, reader of unapreciated and curmudgenly authors

"Bill Hamilton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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So, this offtopic thread has wandered to an argument about whether threads that wander offtopic
should be renamed to show that they are offtopic?

That's not quite right, but I will spare you the details because I sense you really aren't
interested. What amazes me is that you actually read the SKIPPY3 thread if you read the preceding
SKIPPY threads. They are all pretty much about nothing.

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Isn't there anything more useful you guys could argue about, like politics or tea?

Oh yes.

SKIPPY

patience Bill, the whole Skippy thing is dying now and I doubt anyone will bother trying to drag it
on any longer.
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"Bill Hamilton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"rich westerman" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Too bad we cannot get Ed Dolan and Tom to take their UN-bent stuff off

ARBR

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and carry on their Tom educating Ed routine via private emails. I have

read

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a few of the Tom and Ed messages and Tom comes across as way smarter than Ed. I figure Ed hangs
on hoping some of Tom's wisdom rubs off on him...it don't seem to be working yet though.
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ah no, I must disagree with you, Joshua. as long as the thread remains clearly marked as OT, it
harms no one, IMO. I also disagree with your assessment of the balance of wisdom displayed in
the dialogue. while I resonate more with Tom's voiced position than Ed's, I can see no fault in
either one's presentation or logically arrived conclusions. I'm indebted to both for presenting
cogent, and often amusing, discussions.

rich (whom Ed will now accuse of embracing galloping relativism :^) )

So, this offtopic thread has wandered to an argument about whether threads that wander offtopic
should be renamed to show that they are offtopic?

Isn't there anything more useful you guys could argue about, like politics or tea?

-Bill Hamilton And, in the catgory of "Someone Needs to Get a Life",
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"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ed Why would I mess with your subject line....you seldom post anything remotely related to
recumbents and everytime I see OT & Flammable I just ignore it because it so unrelated to bents it
should not even be on ARBR in the 1st place. As for.. let all hell loose..oooh don't like
something you get all emotional like a Nancy Boy. As I always suspected...you ALSO post under the
alias Fabrizio.

The only one screwing up this newsgroup is you and your incredibly stupid posts. The day I post
something that I would suspect you are interested in is the day I would have to take stock of
myself. You can screw with your own posts all you want but leave everyone else's posts alone. It
takes intelligence to change a subject heading and neither you nor Mr. Varney are up to the job. You
can't even organize your own posts so they make any sense. You have diarrhea of the mind.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Larry Varney <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Actually, determining subject headings is not more difficult that what I might think. Some, as
you have pointed out, may spend their lives trying to figure them out, but I'm not here to
criticize what others find difficult to do. What "everyone has gotten used to" is not a good
reason to let an error continue. If a law - or a subject heading - is wrong, then it should be
fixed. That's the American way. As for not wanting "every Tom, [censored] and Harry" changing the
subject headings when they no longer reflect even remotely what the subject is - for too long
have we tolerated a society where people ignore what's going on around them, where people don't
want to "get involved", where wrongs are not righted, where crime, poverty and ignorance are
allowed to continue, simply because that's what "everyone has gotten used to". *That* may not
be "rude and obnoxious behavior" - it is far worse.

The whole point of my post is that you are not equipped to be messing around with other people's
posts. Why would you arrogate to yourself such a responsibility? Do you think you are more
intelligent than everyone else? When you change a subject heading you are throwing everyone
offtrack. See what has happened to this SKIPPY subject thread as a result of meddling. Who could
or would want to follow it anymore? But the Amber Alert is classic. Only Mr. Goldberg can screw up
to that extent. It only takes a couple of screwballs to totally destroy a newsgroup by fooling
around with the posts. Say any damn fool thing you want, but leave other's posts alone out of
common courtesy.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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When I added the 2 to Skippy I thought you would have replied with Skippy1...this would have
confined the messages to JUST US. I prefer to take messages OFF this list and I will usually ask
anyone I am dealing with to email me. No point in having everyone bored to tears over an issue
affecting only myself and one other person.

Christ! Who would want to engage in emails with you. No one is that crazy.

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Too bad we cannot get Ed Dolan and Tom to take their UN-bent stuff off ARBR and carry on their Tom
educating Ed routine via private emails. I have read a few of the Tom and Ed messages and Tom
comes across as way smarter than Ed. I figure Ed hangs on hoping some of Tom's wisdom rubs off on
him...it don't seem to be working yet though.

The unbent stuff is off ARBR for all practical proposes. It is on it's own thread labeled OT. Why
are you reading any of it if it is only pissing you off. I make it a point not to read your [censored] and
therefore what you have to say about anything does not bother me in the slightest. The only thing I
do object to is all your nonsensical subject threads which I am always tripping over when I peruse
the Google website.

Mr. Sherman is intelligent and does have some wisdom, but he is just wrongheaded about
everything. That kind of wrongheadedness is extremely dangerous in the kind of world we are
now living in .... but now I am getting off-topic and I promised never to do that unless the
thread was so labeled.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"rich westerman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Too bad we cannot get Ed Dolan and Tom to take their UN-bent stuff off

ARBR

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and carry on their Tom educating Ed routine via private emails. I have

read

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a few of the Tom and Ed messages and Tom comes across as way smarter than Ed. I figure Ed hangs
on hoping some of Tom's wisdom rubs off on him...it don't seem to be working yet though.
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ah no, I must disagree with you, Joshua. as long as the thread remains clearly marked as OT, it
harms no one, IMO. I also disagree with your assessment of the balance of wisdom displayed in the
dialogue. while I resonate more with Tom's voiced position than Ed's, I can see no fault in either
one's presentation or logically arrived conclusions. I'm indebted to both for presenting cogent,
and often amusing, discussions.

rich (whom Ed will now accuse of embracing galloping relativism :^) )

No, the fact that you can find some amusement in my posts has just made my day. I don't know why
"some" are so serious all the time. I just want to say things that will I hope mildly interest and
amuse others. I would rather amuse than interest, but I am not that good at
it. That is why I am taking lessons from my mentor, Fabrizio. I study his posts carefully to see
what I can pick up. Just because I don't put a smiley on my posts does not mean that I am
not smiling.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan must be edykated coz e writed:

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No, the fact that you can find some amusement in my posts has just made my day. I don't know why
"some" are so serious all the time. I just want to say things that will I hope mildly interest and
amuse others. I would rather amuse than interest, but I am not that good at
it. That is why I am taking lessons from my mentor, Fabrizio. I study his posts carefully to see
what I can pick up. Just because I don't put a smiley on my posts does not mean that I am not
smiling.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Can you rename the thread "ARMCHAIR GENERALS"? More apt don't you think?

Ian

Somebody had to do it ;-) bill g
--
His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a dryer without
Cling Free.

Edward Dolan said:

.... but now I am getting off-topic and I promised never to do that unless the thread was so
labeled.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"skip" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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SKIPPY aka SKIPPY2, SKIPPY3, AND SKIPPY1 thanks to Joshua

enough already

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agreed...enough already sounds good 2me2.

Well, I guess if you guys are willing to call it quits than I should too (if Mr. Varney will let me)
but I am willing to go on until hell freezes over in order to make the point that subject headings
on threads should not be changed [censored]-nilly by self-appointed moderators.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

Larry Varney <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Actually, determining subject headings is not more difficult that what I might think. Some, as
you have pointed out, may spend their lives trying to figure them out, but I'm not here to
criticize what others find difficult to do. What "everyone has gotten used to" is not a good
reason to let an error continue. If a law - or a subject heading - is wrong, then it should be
fixed. That's the American way. As for not wanting "every Tom, [censored] and Harry" changing the
subject headings when they no longer reflect even remotely what the subject is - for too long
have we tolerated a society where people ignore what's going on around them, where people don't
want to "get involved", where wrongs are not righted, where crime, poverty and ignorance are
allowed to continue, simply because that's what "everyone has gotten used to". *That* may not
be "rude and obnoxious behavior" - it is far worse.

The whole point of my post is that you are not equipped to be messing around with other people's
posts. Why would you arrogate to yourself such a responsibility? Do you think you are more
intelligent than everyone else? When you change a subject heading you are throwing everyone
offtrack. See what has happened to this SKIPPY subject thread as a result of meddling. Who could
or would want to follow it anymore? But the Amber Alert is classic. Only Mr. Goldberg can screw up
to that extent. It only takes a couple of screwballs to totally destroy a newsgroup by fooling
around with the posts. Say any damn fool thing you want, but leave other's posts alone out of
common courtesy.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Sorry, but you're wrong. First off, you have no idea how "equipped" I am. And secondly, I am not
"messing around with other people's posts". When I hit my "send" button, I am sending *my* post.
The subject line at the top is on *my* post. Your post, and everyone else's, continues to have
the same subject line it had when you or they hit their "send" buttons. When the subject line no
longer even remotely reflects the actual contents, then what purpose does it serve? Ask
yourself, just what is the purpose of the subject line, if not to describe the subject of the
attached post?

--
Larry Varney Cold Spring, KY home.fuse.netlarryvarneyOpen ↗

Mr.Ed....Eat More Bran Oh and since Mr.Dolan says he never reads my stuff anyway, guess someone else
(Tom) will need to suggest it to him.

As for who would be crazy enough to email me off ARBR...well with the exception of Skip, Bobinator
and Mr.Dolan...seems (almost) everyone here has....some quite regularly. I average around 40 emails
per day from people using ARBR...maybe one critical email per week and in the last 2 years maybe 5
nasty...meet you in the parking lot messages. I have been invited to scores of events and have
people I meet on-line here visiting me. Even one person who offered me $ to shut the F**K Up and
Die...later apologized, no hugs and kisses but at least he doesn't want me dead anymore...which is
always good.

I don't even get upset with what Mr.Dolan writes...kinda hard to be too critical of someone sooo
lonely that he cannot survive a day without taking cheap shots at Tom Sherman and anyone else who
cannot agree with his position...kinda sad really. Perhaps if Mr.Ed lived in a warmer climate he'd
spend more time riding and enjoying life and less time dealing with people who find him annoying. I
suspect Mr.Ed uses ARBR to fill a big void in his life...although you gotta wonder why someone would
think that a News Group about Recumbents is the ideal forum to rant and rave about politics...maybe
that void = logic.

Oh and as for people here ignoring me, I have an email Ed from someone I trade emails with who is
fairly new to bents. He said that on one of his 1st organized bent rides the topic of the hour was
ME. According to this chap (everyone in the group) thought that I was thee most helpful and
informative member of ARBR with Cletus Lee 2nd (sorry Cletus). As for Mr.Ed...you never even made
their list....no surprises there I bet eh Ed.

I figure that one of the main reasons people listen to me about bents is that I have been bent
almost as long as [censored] Ryan and I actually care about how bent culture is evolving and YES my
bent does fill a void in my life and I would not want it any other way. I am slowly drifting away
from ARBR because it is becoming too political and not as connected to what bent culture should
be (IMHO).

I get emails from folk here telling me they are giving up on ARBR, many suggesting I Moderate a new
bent group that will not include folk like Fabrizio & Mr.Dolan...ahhh people care (how sweet). I
like Fabrizio playing the role of the Devil's Advocate, I suspect he really drives a BikeE in
Vancouver. Fabrizio represents what many of us came to bents from and he is a constant reminder of
what is ahead if we stray back to the evil DF configuration. Mr.Dolan is what we will become if we
break our legs and cannot get out there and spend everyday riding bent.

As for my slowly drifting away (not drifting fast enough for some I suspect). More of my time is
spent advising people about Power-Assisted bicycles...most of which oddly enough are Recumbents. As
I have said for the past couple of years...bents are evolving into Power-Assisted Bents--> Bet many
of you just spewed your morning coffee on yer keyboards with that comment eh. Stages in evolution =
Kiddie DF-> Car-> DF-> Bent-> Bent Trike-> Power Assisted Bent-> Adult diapers & heaven (not
Iowa)..the other heaven. What is starting to happen is there is a jump from Car -> Powered Bent
(missing the DF stage) re: people in cars are going directly to Powered Bents as the alternative to
their car and Un-Powered Bents are being added 2nd (2 bent households). As with bents, my long
history bent is now added to my long history with Power-Assisted bents re: 26 years bent and last 11
years using Power-Assist technology. I will NEVER be on the same technical level as [censored] Ryan or
Ricky Horwitz around bents, I am however the Big Kahuna with Power-Assists and being bent over a
quarter century helps.

Anyway...I will NOT be here on ARBR as often as before....because the Power-Assist interest is
taking up more and more of my waking time.. Feel a bit like President Nixon here as he boarded the
plane...re: you won't have me to kick around anymore. Actually I will still Lurk on ARBR and may
wade into a thread now and then...but no more dominating the board for days on end.

PS anyone wanna tell Mr.Dolan (since he said he ignores what I post) that as far as I am concerned
the whole Skippy, Skippy1, Skippy2, Skippy3 and Skippy4 thing is dead and does not need to be
continued.

Oh Yeah...Tom Sherman (be nice to Ed Dolan, the guy is trying his best to get up to our level and he
should be encouraged).

See Ya
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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

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When I added the 2 to Skippy I thought you would have replied with Skippy1...this would have
confined the messages to JUST US. I prefer to

take

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messages OFF this list and I will usually ask anyone I am dealing with

to

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email me. No point in having everyone bored to tears over an issue

affecting

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only myself and one other person.

Christ! Who would want to engage in emails with you. No one is that crazy.

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Too bad we cannot get Ed Dolan and Tom to take their UN-bent stuff off

ARBR

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and carry on their Tom educating Ed routine via private emails. I have

read

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

a few of the Tom and Ed messages and Tom comes across as way smarter

than

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Ed. I figure Ed hangs on hoping some of Tom's wisdom rubs off on

him...it

Quoted message said:

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don't seem to be working yet though.

The unbent stuff is off ARBR for all practical proposes. It is on it's own thread labeled OT. Why
are you reading any of it if it is only pissing you off. I make it a point not to read your [censored]
and therefore what you have to say about anything does not bother me in the slightest. The only
thing I do object to is all your nonsensical subject threads which I am always tripping over when
I peruse the Google website.

Mr. Sherman is intelligent and does have some wisdom, but he is just wrongheaded about everything.
That kind of wrongheadedness is extremely dangerous in the kind of world we are now living in
.... but now I am getting off-topic and I promised never to do that unless the thread was so
labeled.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ed Why would I mess with your subject line....you seldom post anything remotely related to
recumbents and everytime I see OT & Flammable I just ignore it because it so unrelated to bents
it should not even be on ARBR in the 1st place. As for.. let all hell loose..oooh don't like
something you get all emotional like a Nancy Boy. As I always suspected...you ALSO post under
the alias Fabrizio.

The only one screwing up this newsgroup is you and your incredibly stupid posts. The day I post
something that I would suspect you are interested in is the day I would have to take stock of
myself. You can screw with your own posts all you want but leave everyone else's posts alone. It
takes intelligence to change a subject heading and neither you nor Mr. Varney are up to the job.
You can't even organize your own posts so they make any sense. You have diarrhea of the mind.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Ed: This seems to be your favorite approach. You get into a subject and quickly devolve to juvenile
name calling. The ad hominem attack is the refuge of little minds, Ed. You'd get more respect if you
dropped the tactic. You claimed once you were trying to be like Fabrizio, but don't quit your day
job. He is funny; you are insulting. The above posts says it all. I suggest you take your own advice
and "take stock of [yourself]."

Scott

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

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Mr.Ed....Eat More Bran Oh and since Mr.Dolan says he never reads my stuff anyway, guess someone
else (Tom) will need to suggest it to him.

As for who would be crazy enough to email me off ARBR...well with the exception of Skip, Bobinator
and Mr.Dolan...seems (almost) everyone here has....some quite regularly. I average around 40
emails per day from people using ARBR...maybe one critical email per week and in the last 2 years
maybe 5 nasty...meet you in the parking lot messages. I have been invited to scores of events and
have people I meet on-line here visiting me. Even one person who offered me $ to shut the F**K Up
and Die...later apologized, no hugs and kisses but at least he doesn't want me dead
anymore...which is always good.

I don't even get upset with what Mr.Dolan writes...kinda hard to be too critical of someone sooo
lonely that he cannot survive a day without taking cheap shots at Tom Sherman and anyone else who
cannot agree with his position...kinda sad really. Perhaps if Mr.Ed lived in a warmer climate he'd
spend more time riding and enjoying life and less time dealing with people who find him annoying.
I suspect Mr.Ed uses ARBR to fill a big void in his life...although you gotta wonder why someone
would think that a News Group about Recumbents is the ideal forum to rant and rave about
politics...maybe that void = logic.

Oh and as for people here ignoring me, I have an email Ed from someone I trade emails with who is
fairly new to bents. He said that on one of his 1st organized bent rides the topic of the hour was
ME. According to this chap (everyone in the group) thought that I was thee most helpful and
informative member of ARBR with Cletus Lee 2nd (sorry Cletus). As for Mr.Ed...you never even made
their list....no surprises there I bet eh Ed.

I figure that one of the main reasons people listen to me about bents is that I have been bent
almost as long as [censored] Ryan and I actually care about how bent culture is evolving and YES my
bent does fill a void in my life and I would not want it any other way. I am slowly drifting away
from ARBR because it is becoming too political and not as connected to what bent culture should
be (IMHO).

I get emails from folk here telling me they are giving up on ARBR, many suggesting I Moderate a
new bent group that will not include folk like Fabrizio & Mr.Dolan...ahhh people care (how sweet).
I like Fabrizio playing the role of the Devil's Advocate, I suspect he really drives a BikeE in
Vancouver. Fabrizio represents what many of us came to bents from and he is a constant reminder of
what is ahead if we stray back to the evil DF configuration. Mr.Dolan is what we will become if we
break our legs and cannot get out there and spend everyday riding bent.

As for my slowly drifting away (not drifting fast enough for some I suspect). More of my time is
spent advising people about Power-Assisted bicycles...most of which oddly enough are Recumbents.
As I have said for the past couple of years...bents are evolving into Power-Assisted Bents--> Bet
many of you just spewed your morning coffee on yer keyboards with that comment eh. Stages in
evolution = Kiddie DF-> Car-> DF-> Bent-> Bent Trike-> Power Assisted Bent-> Adult diapers &
heaven (not Iowa)..the other heaven. What is starting to happen is there is a jump from Car ->
Powered Bent (missing the DF stage) re: people in cars are going directly to Powered Bents as the
alternative to their car and Un-Powered Bents are being added 2nd (2 bent households). As with
bents, my long history bent is now added to my long history with Power-Assisted bents re: 26 years
bent and last 11 years using Power-Assist technology. I will NEVER be on the same technical level
as [censored] Ryan or Ricky Horwitz around bents, I am however the Big Kahuna with Power-Assists and
being bent over a quarter century helps.

Anyway...I will NOT be here on ARBR as often as before....because the Power-Assist interest is
taking up more and more of my waking time.. Feel a bit like President Nixon here as he boarded the
plane...re: you won't have me to kick around anymore. Actually I will still Lurk on ARBR and may
wade into a thread now and then...but no more dominating the board for days on end.

PS anyone wanna tell Mr.Dolan (since he said he ignores what I post) that as far as I am concerned
the whole Skippy, Skippy1, Skippy2, Skippy3 and Skippy4 thing is dead and does not need to be
continued.

Oh Yeah...Tom Sherman (be nice to Ed Dolan, the guy is trying his best to get up to our level and
he should be encouraged).

See Ya
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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

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When I added the 2 to Skippy I thought you would have replied with Skippy1...this would have
confined the messages to JUST US. I prefer to

take

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messages OFF this list and I will usually ask anyone I am dealing with

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

email me. No point in having everyone bored to tears over an issue

affecting

Quoted message said:

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only myself and one other person.

Christ! Who would want to engage in emails with you. No one is that crazy.

Quoted message said:

Too bad we cannot get Ed Dolan and Tom to take their UN-bent stuff off

ARBR

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and carry on their Tom educating Ed routine via private emails. I have

read

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

a few of the Tom and Ed messages and Tom comes across as way smarter

than

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ed. I figure Ed hangs on hoping some of Tom's wisdom rubs off on

him...it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

don't seem to be working yet though.

The unbent stuff is off ARBR for all practical proposes. It is on it's own thread labeled OT. Why
are you reading any of it if it is only pissing you off. I make it a point not to read your [censored]
and therefore what you have to say about anything does not bother me in the slightest. The only
thing I do object to is all your nonsensical subject threads which I am always tripping over when
I peruse the Google website.

Mr. Sherman is intelligent and does have some wisdom, but he is just wrongheaded about
everything. That kind of wrongheadedness is extremely dangerous in the kind of world we are
now living in .... but now I am getting off-topic and I promised never to do that unless the
thread was so labeled.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Wow, you could rival Fabrizzio with that self opinion of yourself.

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Mr.Ed....Eat More Bran Oh and since Mr.Dolan says he never reads my stuff anyway, guess someone
else (Tom) will need to suggest it to him.

As for who would be crazy enough to email me off ARBR...well with the exception of Skip, Bobinator
and Mr.Dolan...seems (almost) everyone here has....some quite regularly. I average around 40
emails per day from

people

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using ARBR...maybe one critical email per week and in the last 2 years

maybe

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5 nasty...meet you in the parking lot messages. I have been invited to scores of events and have
people I meet on-line here visiting me. Even one person who offered me $ to shut the F**K Up and
Die...later apologized, no hugs and kisses but at least he doesn't want me dead anymore...which is
always good.

I don't even get upset with what Mr.Dolan writes...kinda hard to be too critical of someone sooo
lonely that he cannot survive a day without

taking

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cheap shots at Tom Sherman and anyone else who cannot agree with his position...kinda sad really.
Perhaps if Mr.Ed lived in a warmer climate

he'd

Quoted message said:

spend more time riding and enjoying life and less time dealing with people who find him annoying.
I suspect Mr.Ed uses ARBR to fill a big void in his life...although you gotta wonder why someone
would think that a News Group about Recumbents is the ideal forum to rant and rave about

politics...maybe

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that void = logic.

Oh and as for people here ignoring me, I have an email Ed from someone I trade emails with who is
fairly new to bents. He said that on one of his

1st

Quoted message said:

organized bent rides the topic of the hour was ME. According to this chap (everyone in the group)
thought that I was thee most helpful and

informative

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member of ARBR with Cletus Lee 2nd (sorry Cletus). As for Mr.Ed...you

never

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even made their list....no surprises there I bet eh Ed.

I figure that one of the main reasons people listen to me about bents is that I have been bent
almost as long as [censored] Ryan and I actually care

about

Quoted message said:

how bent culture is evolving and YES my bent does fill a void in my life

and

Quoted message said:

I would not want it any other way. I am slowly drifting away from ARBR because it is becoming too
political and not as connected to what bent culture should be (IMHO).

I get emails from folk here telling me they are giving up on ARBR, many suggesting I Moderate a
new bent group that will not include folk like Fabrizio & Mr.Dolan...ahhh people care (how sweet).
I like Fabrizio

playing

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the role of the Devil's Advocate, I suspect he really drives a BikeE in Vancouver. Fabrizio
represents what many of us came to bents from and he

is

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a constant reminder of what is ahead if we stray back to the evil DF configuration. Mr.Dolan is
what we will become if we break our legs and cannot get out there and spend everyday riding bent.

As for my slowly drifting away (not drifting fast enough for some I suspect). More of my time is
spent advising people about Power-Assisted bicycles...most of which oddly enough are Recumbents.
As I have said for

the

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past couple of years...bents are evolving into Power-Assisted Bents--> Bet many of you just spewed
your morning coffee on yer keyboards with that comment eh. Stages in evolution = Kiddie DF-> Car->
DF-> Bent-> Bent

Trike->

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Power Assisted Bent-> Adult diapers & heaven (not Iowa)..the other heaven. What is starting to
happen is there is a jump from Car -> Powered Bent (missing the DF stage) re: people in cars are
going directly to Powered Bents as the alternative to their car and Un-Powered Bents are being
added 2nd (2 bent households). As with bents, my long history bent is now added

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my long history with Power-Assisted bents re: 26 years bent and last 11 years using Power-Assist
technology. I will NEVER be on the same technical level as [censored] Ryan or Ricky Horwitz around
bents, I am however the Big Kahuna with Power-Assists and being bent over a quarter century helps.

Anyway...I will NOT be here on ARBR as often as before....because the Power-Assist interest is
taking up more and more of my waking time.. Feel

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bit like President Nixon here as he boarded the plane...re: you won't have me to kick around
anymore. Actually I will still Lurk on ARBR and may wade into a thread now and then...but no more
dominating the board for days on end.

PS anyone wanna tell Mr.Dolan (since he said he ignores what I post) that

as

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far as I am concerned the whole Skippy, Skippy1, Skippy2, Skippy3 and Skippy4 thing is dead and
does not need to be continued.

Oh Yeah...Tom Sherman (be nice to Ed Dolan, the guy is trying his best to get up to our level and
he should be encouraged).

See Ya
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Joshua, have those cats of yours been dancing on the keyboard again?

skip

Bill Hamilton said:

So, this offtopic thread has wandered to an argument about whether threads that wander offtopic
should be renamed to show that they are offtopic?

Isn't there anything more useful you guys could argue about, like politics or tea?

I hear that the US invasion of Iraq is a contentious subject. 😉

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

Joshua Goldberg said:

...Adult diapers & heaven (not Iowa)..the other heaven....

I go to Iowa 300+ days a year, and see no resemblance to heaven.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

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Edward Dolan said:

The whole point of my post is that you are not equipped to be messing around with other people's
posts. Why would you arrogate to yourself such a responsibility? Do you think you are more
intelligent than everyone else? When you change a subject heading you are throwing everyone
offtrack. See what has happened to this SKIPPY subject thread as a result of meddling. Who could
or would want to follow it anymore? But the Amber Alert is classic. Only Mr. Goldberg can screw
up to that extent. It only takes a couple of screwballs to totally destroy a newsgroup by
fooling around with the posts. Say any damn fool thing you want, but leave other's posts alone
out of common courtesy.

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Sorry, but you're wrong. First off, you have no idea how "equipped" I am. And secondly, I am
not "messing around with other people's posts". When I hit my "send" button, I am sending *my*
post. The subject line at the top is on *my* post. Your post, and everyone else's, continues to
have the same subject line it had when you or they hit their "send" buttons. When the subject
line no longer even remotely reflects the actual contents, then what purpose does it serve? Ask
yourself, just what is the purpose of the subject line, if not to describe the subject of the
attached post?

Unless you are a librarian and have taken college level courses in how to assign subject headings
the chances are that you are not equipped to be playing around with other's subject headings.
Frankly, I am not accusing you of doing any of this sort of thing anyway. My main beef is with this
character otherwise known as Mr. Goldberg who is notorious for fooling around with subject headings,
including his own. He is a work of art!

There is something called continuity that exists with respect to any thread. Once we have embarked
on a thread, either just reading it or actively posting, it is important that this continuity be
maintained even if the subject wanders. Those who do not want to get in on the ground floor of a
thread have no preordained right to have things made easy for them and presented to them on a
platter. You earn your right to follow a thread by following it - not by taking shortcuts. If any
one wants to use an existing thread to take off in a new direction that is fine, but to change an
existing thread subject is a unacceptable. Let the thread die a natural death instead of trying to
resurrect it under a new and often misleading subject heading.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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Ed Why would I mess with your subject line....you seldom post anything remotely related to
recumbents and everytime I see OT & Flammable I just ignore it because it so unrelated to
bents it should not even be on ARBR in the 1st place. As for.. let all hell loose..oooh don't
like something you get all emotional like a Nancy Boy. As I always suspected...you ALSO post
under the alias Fabrizio.

The only one screwing up this newsgroup is you and your incredibly stupid posts. The day I post
something that I would suspect you are interested in is the day I would have to take stock of
myself. You can screw with your own posts all you want but leave everyone else's posts alone. It
takes intelligence to change a subject heading and neither you nor Mr. Varney are up to the job.
You can't even organize your own posts so they make any sense. You have diarrhea of the mind.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Ed: This seems to be your favorite approach. You get into a subject and quickly devolve to
juvenile name calling. The ad hominem attack is the refuge of little minds, Ed. You'd get more
respect if you dropped the tactic. You claimed once you were trying to be like Fabrizio, but don't
quit your day job. He is funny; you are insulting. The above posts says it all. I suggest you take
your own advice and "take stock of [yourself]."

Scott

Well, Scott, you and I are never going to get along. I have counted 5 insults in your rather short
post above. Did you not notice that Mr. Goldberg called me a Nancy Boy (whatever the hell that is)
because I told him that I did not want him messing around with my posts. Or is that not an insult in
your book? You jerks have your insults and I have mine. That is the only difference. But I love your
holier than thou attitude about it all. You are truly funny in your conceit and your blindness.

Did it ever occur to you that I do not care what you think of me or my posts? Unlike Mr. Goldberg I
do not see it as my mission in life to be popular and to have a lot of friends (if we can believe
what he is telling us). So far I have yet to be illuminated by anything you have ever said to me. In
the absence of such illumination I will carry on in my accustomed fashion by identifying jerks
wherever I may find them. It is not a pleasant job but someone has to do it. Anyway, you are high on
my list of miscreants for never saying anything that I can wrap my mind around. But nonetheless,
your pitiful contributions are welcome in the interest of using up space on the world wide web.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Mr.Ed....Eat More Bran Oh and since Mr.Dolan says he never reads my stuff anyway, guess someone
else (Tom) will need to suggest it to him.

No, I will stay on this thread SKIPPY ETC. until hell freezes over if necessary in order to clear
this subject with you.

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As for who would be crazy enough to email me off ARBR...well with the exception of Skip, Bobinator
and Mr.Dolan...seems (almost) everyone here has....some quite regularly. I average around 40
emails per day from people using ARBR...maybe one critical email per week and in the last 2 years
maybe 5 nasty...meet you in the parking lot messages. I have been invited to scores of events and
have people I meet on-line here visiting me. Even one person who offered me $ to shut the F**K Up
and Die...later apologized, no hugs and kisses but at least he doesn't want me dead
anymore...which is always good.

It must be a burden to be so popular. Know in any event that there is at least one person in this
world that does not think you are wonderful. Au contraire!

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I don't even get upset with what Mr.Dolan writes...kinda hard to be too critical of someone sooo
lonely that he cannot survive a day without taking cheap shots at Tom Sherman and anyone else who
cannot agree with his position...kinda sad really. Perhaps if Mr.Ed lived in a warmer climate he'd
spend more time riding and enjoying life and less time dealing with people who find him annoying.
I suspect Mr.Ed uses ARBR to fill a big void in his life...although you gotta wonder why someone
would think that a News Group about Recumbents is the ideal forum to rant and rave about
politics...maybe that void = logic.

Christ, now this jerk is psychoanalyzing me. Any shot I ever took at
Mr. Sherman was well deserved and the same goes for you too. The solution to all your problems as I
see it is to stop reading my posts. How hard can that be to do? However, let's face it. I say
interesting and amusing things so you can't stay away from my posts no matter how much you would
like to. I do post on recumbent subjects, but admittedly I do not go on and on like you do. I
have some sense of proportion about what is important in life.

And what is this Mr. Ed business? Trying to be cute I suppose. I am
Ms. Dolan to you, now and forever. And you are Mr. Goldberg to me, also now and forever. Try to get
that through your thick skull.

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Oh and as for people here ignoring me, I have an email Ed from someone I trade emails with who is
fairly new to bents. He said that on one of his 1st organized bent rides the topic of the hour was
ME. According to this chap (everyone in the group) thought that I was thee most helpful and
informative member of ARBR with Cletus Lee 2nd (sorry Cletus). As for Mr.Ed...you never even made
their list....no surprises there I bet eh Ed.

Christ, who would want to be on any list that you are on. Get real! At least Mr. Lee has enough
sense to confine himself to recumbent specific issues. You could take a lesson from him about that
if you could tear yourself away from me long enough.

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I figure that one of the main reasons people listen to me about bents is that I have been bent
almost as long as [censored] Ryan and I actually care about how bent culture is evolving and YES my
bent does fill a void in my life and I would not want it any other way. I am slowly drifting away
from ARBR because it is becoming too political and not as connected to what bent culture should
be (IMHO).

ARBR is not becoming too political. Where are getting this idea from? We have hit upon the ideal
solution to off-topic subjects. They are so labeled as such. This is a complete non-issue. Why do I
have to repeat everything at least 3 times in order to get through to you? By the way I have been
into recumbents for the past 20 years which ought to be long enough even for you.

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I get emails from folk here telling me they are giving up on ARBR, many suggesting I Moderate a
new bent group that will not include folk like Fabrizio & Mr.Dolan...ahhh people care (how sweet).
I like Fabrizio playing the role of the Devil's Advocate, I suspect he really drives a BikeE in
Vancouver. Fabrizio represents what many of us came to bents from and he is a constant reminder of
what is ahead if we stray back to the evil DF configuration. Mr.Dolan is what we will become if we
break our legs and cannot get out there and spend everyday riding bent.

I do not take Fabio seriously nor do I take myself seriously. You could take a lesson from Fabio and
me and not take yourself so seriously all the time. You are constantly coming off as the pompous
jackass that you no doubt are.

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PS anyone wanna tell Mr.Dolan (since he said he ignores what I post) that as far as I am concerned
the whole Skippy, Skippy1, Skippy2, Skippy3 and Skippy4 thing is dead and does not need to be
continued.

You are the jerk that kept the thread going ad infinitum, not me. All I ever wanted to do is get the
idea across that it is not kosher to be playing around with subject headings on threads.

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Oh Yeah...Tom Sherman (be nice to Ed Dolan, the guy is trying his best to get up to our level and
he should be encouraged).

I have noted in the past the you and Mr. Sherman do not see eye to eye on everything by a long shot.
Mr. Sherman and I can work things out between us without any interference from you. I actually enjoy
disagreeing with him (although he never ceases to irritate me) but you fall into that category of
being an extremely distasteful individual - the sort I would never want to meet in person. I could
meet Mr. Sherman someday and shake his hand out of respect if not liking, but not you.

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See Ya

Not if I see you first!

Ed Dolan - Minnesota