Orange lights!

On 2005-11-01, Euan (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

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Help mold my young (cycling age) and impressionable mind ..

Is it bad form to sprint for/through orange lights?

GPLama> Same theory as when in the car.. if you can stop safely
GPLama> before the line, then stop. When in doubt, floor it.

Careful with that one, new red light cameras which detect whether you
speed up or not on the orange are on their way.

Shiny. Way cool.

Although, probably quite error prone. It'd probably be too easy to
defend in court.

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I'm not sure of the letter of the law but I believe that orange
means stop unless unsafe to do so.

I believe you are correctomuno.

--
TimC
"Consider a spherical bear, in simple harmonic motion..."
-- Professor in the UCB physics department

Euan said:

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>>> "GPLama" == GPLama <[email hidden]> writes:

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Help mold my young (cycling age) and impressionable mind ..

Is it bad form to sprint for/through orange lights?

GPLama> Same theory as when in the car.. if you can stop safely
GPLama> before the line, then stop. When in doubt, floor it.

Careful with that one, new red light cameras which detect whether you
speed up or not on the orange are on their way. I'm not sure of the
letter of the law but I believe that orange means stop unless unsafe to
do so.

Do they detect whether you speed up or whether you're speeding? Because
there have been several occasions where I've started to hit the brakes,
looked in the rearview mirror and seen Mr/Ms D!ickhead tailgating me
while talking on the mobile phone, and I've therefore hit the
accelerator again and gone through to avoid getting smashed up the bum.
I sped up to go through the orange, because it was unsafe to stop... but
if I had already started braking before it was deemed unsafe to stop,
why am I not allowed to speed up again? (I hadn't heard of these
cameras, so it's interesting.)

Tam

Euan said:

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>>> "GPLama" == GPLama <[email hidden]> writes:

GPLama> "A5Hi5M" wrote in message ...

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Help mold my young (cycling age) and impressionable mind ..

Is it bad form to sprint for/through orange lights?

GPLama> Same theory as when in the car.. if you can stop safely
GPLama> before the line, then stop. When in doubt, floor it.

Careful with that one, new red light cameras which detect whether you
speed up or not on the orange are on their way. I'm not sure of the
letter of the law but I believe that orange means stop unless unsafe to
do so.

Do they detect whether you speed up or whether you're speeding? Because
there have been several occasions where I've started to hit the brakes,
looked in the rearview mirror and seen Mr/Ms D!ickhead tailgating me
while talking on the mobile phone, and I've therefore hit the
accelerator again and gone through to avoid getting smashed up the bum.
I sped up to go through the orange, because it was unsafe to stop... but
if I had already started braking before it was deemed unsafe to stop,
why am I not allowed to speed up again? (I hadn't heard of these
cameras, so it's interesting.)

Tam

Euan said:

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>>> "GPLama" == GPLama <[email hidden]> writes:

GPLama> "A5Hi5M" wrote in message ...

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Help mold my young (cycling age) and impressionable mind ..

Is it bad form to sprint for/through orange lights?

GPLama> Same theory as when in the car.. if you can stop safely
GPLama> before the line, then stop. When in doubt, floor it.

Careful with that one, new red light cameras which detect whether you
speed up or not on the orange are on their way. I'm not sure of the
letter of the law but I believe that orange means stop unless unsafe to
do so.

Do they detect whether you speed up or whether you're speeding? Because
there have been several occasions where I've started to hit the brakes,
looked in the rearview mirror and seen Mr/Ms D!ickhead tailgating me
while talking on the mobile phone, and I've therefore hit the
accelerator again and gone through to avoid getting smashed up the bum.
I sped up to go through the orange, because it was unsafe to stop... but
if I had already started braking before it was deemed unsafe to stop,
why am I not allowed to speed up again? (I hadn't heard of these
cameras, so it's interesting.)

Tam

On the weekend I was in a car traveling east bound on Alexandra Ave Fitsroy & I was flashed by a red light camera of Wellington street even though I was travelling at right angles to it.

I have my doubts about unmanned traffic 'control' devices. I would love to see what hits the round file when they process the photos taken, it might put the accuracy of these things into a clearer light.

I supose with new anti-terror laws coming through (that no one has really seen) I better be quite about bagging the forces that be. 🙄

On the weekend I was in a car traveling east bound on Alexandra Ave Fitsroy & I was flashed by a red light camera of Wellington street even though I was travelling at right angles to it.

I have my doubts about unmanned traffic 'control' devices. I would love to see what hits the round file when they process the photos taken, it might put the accuracy of these things into a clearer light.

I supose with new anti-terror laws coming through (that no one has really seen) I better be quite about bagging the forces that be. 🙄

Euan said:

GPLama> Same theory as when in the car.. if you can stop safely
GPLama> before the line, then stop. When in doubt, floor it.

Careful with that one, new red light cameras which detect whether you
speed up or not on the orange are on their way. I'm not sure of the
letter of the law but I believe that orange means stop unless unsafe to
do so

I believe they are actually installed already in the southern states?

When I was living in Sydney many years ago, an orange light meant speed up to get through the intersection or be prepared to have the 4 cars behind you make a mess of your rear end.

On a bicycle, how do they know where to send the infringement notice? (I am not condoning the running of red lights!)

Euan said:

GPLama> Same theory as when in the car.. if you can stop safely
GPLama> before the line, then stop. When in doubt, floor it.

Careful with that one, new red light cameras which detect whether you
speed up or not on the orange are on their way. I'm not sure of the
letter of the law but I believe that orange means stop unless unsafe to
do so

I believe they are actually installed already in the southern states?

When I was living in Sydney many years ago, an orange light meant speed up to get through the intersection or be prepared to have the 4 cars behind you make a mess of your rear end.

On a bicycle, how do they know where to send the infringement notice? (I am not condoning the running of red lights!)

Marx SS said:

On the weekend I was in a car traveling east bound on Alexandra Ave Fitsroy & I was flashed by a red light camera of Wellington street even though I was travelling at right angles to it.

I have my doubts about unmanned traffic 'control' devices. I would love to see what hits the round file when they process the photos taken, it might put the accuracy of these things into a clearer light.

I supose with new anti-terror laws coming through (that no one has really seen) I better be quite about bagging the forces that be. 🙄

That bit of road has 2 cameras that are quite 'flash happy'. Every day I sit at the lights on Smith St I see the camera flash someone driving through. It's both speed & red light I believe.

Marx SS said:

On the weekend I was in a car traveling east bound on Alexandra Ave Fitsroy & I was flashed by a red light camera of Wellington street even though I was travelling at right angles to it.

I have my doubts about unmanned traffic 'control' devices. I would love to see what hits the round file when they process the photos taken, it might put the accuracy of these things into a clearer light.

I supose with new anti-terror laws coming through (that no one has really seen) I better be quite about bagging the forces that be. 🙄

That bit of road has 2 cameras that are quite 'flash happy'. Every day I sit at the lights on Smith St I see the camera flash someone driving through. It's both speed & red light I believe.

A5Hi5M said:

Help mold my young (cycling age) and impressionable mind ..

Is it bad form to sprint for/through orange lights?

Not so much in a bunch ride situation, more "just out for a cruise and dont
really wanna held up here" sort of thing..

Ash ..

Do whatever common sense dictates. Before entering any intersection,
take the necessary precautions to make sure you don't exit it a few
hours later in a body bag. If you fly through on a stale amber light,
and there is some fool watching the traffic lights cycle instead of
oncoming traffic so that he can start accelerating 0.5 seconds before
his light turns green, you're gone.

The law states that on an amber light, you *must* stop, unless you are
too close to safely do so. As the same rules apply to bicycles as cars
at traffic lights, you must obey this rule.

If there is a tight police officer around who witnesses you go through
an amber light when you could have safely stopped, you will be fined,
even if you managed to get through the intersection before the lights
turned red.

A5Hi5M said:

Help mold my young (cycling age) and impressionable mind ..

Is it bad form to sprint for/through orange lights?

Not so much in a bunch ride situation, more "just out for a cruise and dont
really wanna held up here" sort of thing..

Ash ..

Do whatever common sense dictates. Before entering any intersection,
take the necessary precautions to make sure you don't exit it a few
hours later in a body bag. If you fly through on a stale amber light,
and there is some fool watching the traffic lights cycle instead of
oncoming traffic so that he can start accelerating 0.5 seconds before
his light turns green, you're gone.

The law states that on an amber light, you *must* stop, unless you are
too close to safely do so. As the same rules apply to bicycles as cars
at traffic lights, you must obey this rule.

If there is a tight police officer around who witnesses you go through
an amber light when you could have safely stopped, you will be fined,
even if you managed to get through the intersection before the lights
turned red.

quote='Tamyka Bell'Euan said:

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>>> "GPLama" == GPLama <[email hidden]> writes:

GPLama> "A5Hi5M" wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Help mold my young (cycling age) and impressionable mind ..

Is it bad form to sprint for/through orange lights?

GPLama> Same theory as when in the car.. if you can stop safely
GPLama> before the line, then stop. When in doubt, floor it.

Careful with that one, new red light cameras which detect whether you
speed up or not on the orange are on their way. I'm not sure of the
letter of the law but I believe that orange means stop unless unsafe to
do so.

Do they detect whether you speed up or whether you're speeding?
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Whether you speed up.

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Because
there have been several occasions where I've started to hit the brakes,
looked in the rearview mirror and seen Mr/Ms D!ickhead tailgating me
while talking on the mobile phone, and I've therefore hit the
accelerator again and gone through to avoid getting smashed up the bum.
I sped up to go through the orange, because it was unsafe to stop... but
if I had already started braking before it was deemed unsafe to stop,
why am I not allowed to speed up again? (I hadn't heard of these
cameras, so it's interesting.)

Tam

That'll make for an interesting test case when it will undoubtedly happen.

quote='Tamyka Bell'Euan said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>> "GPLama" == GPLama <[email hidden]> writes:

GPLama> "A5Hi5M" wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Help mold my young (cycling age) and impressionable mind ..

Is it bad form to sprint for/through orange lights?

GPLama> Same theory as when in the car.. if you can stop safely
GPLama> before the line, then stop. When in doubt, floor it.

Careful with that one, new red light cameras which detect whether you
speed up or not on the orange are on their way. I'm not sure of the
letter of the law but I believe that orange means stop unless unsafe to
do so.

Do they detect whether you speed up or whether you're speeding?
[/QUOTE]
Whether you speed up.

Quoted post said:

Because
there have been several occasions where I've started to hit the brakes,
looked in the rearview mirror and seen Mr/Ms D!ickhead tailgating me
while talking on the mobile phone, and I've therefore hit the
accelerator again and gone through to avoid getting smashed up the bum.
I sped up to go through the orange, because it was unsafe to stop... but
if I had already started braking before it was deemed unsafe to stop,
why am I not allowed to speed up again? (I hadn't heard of these
cameras, so it's interesting.)

Tam

That'll make for an interesting test case when it will undoubtedly happen.

EuanB said:

Tamyka Bell said:

Euan said:

>>>>> "GPLama" == GPLama <[email hidden]>

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GPLama> "A5Hi5M" wrote in message ...
>> Help mold my young (cycling age) and impressionable mind ..
>>
>> Is it bad form to sprint for/through orange lights?
>>

GPLama> Same theory as when in the car.. if you can stop safely
GPLama> before the line, then stop. When in doubt, floor it.

Careful with that one, new red light cameras which detect whether

you

Quoted message said:

speed up or not on the orange are on their way. I'm not sure of the
letter of the law but I believe that orange means stop unless unsafe

to

Quoted message said:

do so.

Do they detect whether you speed up or whether you're speeding?

Whether you speed up.

Quoted message said:

Because
there have been several occasions where I've started to hit the
brakes,
looked in the rearview mirror and seen Mr/Ms D!ickhead tailgating me
while talking on the mobile phone, and I've therefore hit the
accelerator again and gone through to avoid getting smashed up the
bum.
I sped up to go through the orange, because it was unsafe to stop...
but
if I had already started braking before it was deemed unsafe to stop,
why am I not allowed to speed up again? (I hadn't heard of these
cameras, so it's interesting.)

Tam

That'll make for an interesting test case when it will undoubtedly
happen.

Until or unless there's legislation that says "these cameras are 100%
accurate". Then no amount of argument can be made that will "test"
them.

It happened with blood alcohol tests ...

EuanB said:

Tamyka Bell said:

Euan said:

>>>>> "GPLama" == GPLama <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

GPLama> "A5Hi5M" wrote in message ...
>> Help mold my young (cycling age) and impressionable mind ..
>>
>> Is it bad form to sprint for/through orange lights?
>>

GPLama> Same theory as when in the car.. if you can stop safely
GPLama> before the line, then stop. When in doubt, floor it.

Careful with that one, new red light cameras which detect whether

you

Quoted message said:

speed up or not on the orange are on their way. I'm not sure of the
letter of the law but I believe that orange means stop unless unsafe

to

Quoted message said:

do so.

Do they detect whether you speed up or whether you're speeding?

Whether you speed up.

Quoted message said:

Because
there have been several occasions where I've started to hit the
brakes,
looked in the rearview mirror and seen Mr/Ms D!ickhead tailgating me
while talking on the mobile phone, and I've therefore hit the
accelerator again and gone through to avoid getting smashed up the
bum.
I sped up to go through the orange, because it was unsafe to stop...
but
if I had already started braking before it was deemed unsafe to stop,
why am I not allowed to speed up again? (I hadn't heard of these
cameras, so it's interesting.)

Tam

That'll make for an interesting test case when it will undoubtedly
happen.

Until or unless there's legislation that says "these cameras are 100%
accurate". Then no amount of argument can be made that will "test"
them.

It happened with blood alcohol tests ...

On 2005-11-02, Bleve (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

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EuanB said:

Tamyka Bell said:

if I had already started braking before it was deemed unsafe to stop,
why am I not allowed to speed up again? (I hadn't heard of these
cameras, so it's interesting.)

Tam

That'll make for an interesting test case when it will undoubtedly
happen.

Until or unless there's legislation that says "these cameras are 100%
accurate". Then no amount of argument can be made that will "test"
them.

It happened with blood alcohol tests ...

Upon being over 0.05 when tested by the roadside, aren't you hauled
down to the one-stop-cop-shop to get tested by their
indeed-never-does-fail machine?

--
TimC
My cats are forbidden from walking on my computer keyboard on the desk
when I'm asdfjjhhkl;ljfd.;oier' puyykmm4hbdm9lo9j USING IT. --unknown

On 2005-11-02, Bleve (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

EuanB said:

Tamyka Bell said:

if I had already started braking before it was deemed unsafe to stop,
why am I not allowed to speed up again? (I hadn't heard of these
cameras, so it's interesting.)

Tam

That'll make for an interesting test case when it will undoubtedly
happen.

Until or unless there's legislation that says "these cameras are 100%
accurate". Then no amount of argument can be made that will "test"
them.

It happened with blood alcohol tests ...

Upon being over 0.05 when tested by the roadside, aren't you hauled
down to the one-stop-cop-shop to get tested by their
indeed-never-does-fail machine?

--
TimC
My cats are forbidden from walking on my computer keyboard on the desk
when I'm asdfjjhhkl;ljfd.;oier' puyykmm4hbdm9lo9j USING IT. --unknown

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Because
there have been several occasions where I've started to hit the brakes,
looked in the rearview mirror and seen Mr/Ms D!ickhead tailgating me
while talking on the mobile phone, and I've therefore hit the
accelerator again and gone through to avoid getting smashed up the bum.
I sped up to go through the orange, because it was unsafe to stop... but
if I had already started braking before it was deemed unsafe to stop,
why am I not allowed to speed up again? (I hadn't heard of these
cameras, so it's interesting.)

Tam

That'll make for an interesting test case when it will undoubtedly happen.

Precendents have already been set for those types of incidents, and in fact there are a number of comments in the road regulations. eg. You are allowed to cross double solid lines to avoid an obstacle or some other danger, provided it is safe to do so.

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Quote:
Because
there have been several occasions where I've started to hit the brakes,
looked in the rearview mirror and seen Mr/Ms D!ickhead tailgating me
while talking on the mobile phone, and I've therefore hit the
accelerator again and gone through to avoid getting smashed up the bum.
I sped up to go through the orange, because it was unsafe to stop... but
if I had already started braking before it was deemed unsafe to stop,
why am I not allowed to speed up again? (I hadn't heard of these
cameras, so it's interesting.)

Tam

That'll make for an interesting test case when it will undoubtedly happen.

Precendents have already been set for those types of incidents, and in fact there are a number of comments in the road regulations. eg. You are allowed to cross double solid lines to avoid an obstacle or some other danger, provided it is safe to do so.