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Ollie North Writes Kerry

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  1. "MLSRM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Dear John,

    As usual, you have it wrong. You don't have a beef with President George
    Bush about your war record. He's been exceedingly generous about your
    military service. Your complaint is with the 2.5 million of us who served
    honorably in a war that ended 29 years ago and which you, not the


    president,

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    made the centerpiece of this campaign.

    I talk to a lot of vets, John, and this really isn't about your medals or
    how you got them. Like you, I have a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. I only
    have two Purple Hearts, though. I turned down the others so that I could
    stay with the Marines in my rifle platoon. But I think you might agree


    with

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    me, though I've never heard you say it, that the officers always got more
    medals than they earned and the youngsters we led never got as many medals
    as they deserved.

    This really isn't about how early you came home from that war, either,


    John.

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    There have always been guys in every war who want to go home. There are


    also

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    lots of guys, like those in my rifle platoon in Vietnam, who did a full 13
    months in the field. And there are, thankfully, lots of young Americans
    today in Iraq and Afghanistan who volunteered to return to war because, as
    one of them told me in Ramadi a few weeks ago, "the job isn't finished."

    Nor is this about whether you were in Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968.


    Heck

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    John, people get lost going on vacation. If you got lost, just say so.


    Your

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    campaign has admitted that you now know that you really weren't in


    Cambodia

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    that night and that Richard Nixon wasn't really president when you thought
    he was. Now would be a good time to explain to us how you could have all
    that bogus stuff "seared" into your memory -- especially since you want to
    have your finger on our nation's nuclear trigger.

    But that's not really the problem, either. The trouble you're having,


    John,

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    isn't about your medals or coming home early or getting lost -- or even
    Richard Nixon. The issue is what you did to us when you came home, John.

    When you got home, you co-founded Vietnam Veterans Against the War and


    wrote

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    "The New Soldier," which denounced those of us who served -- and were


    still

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    serving -- on the battlefields of a thankless war. Worst of all, John, you
    then accused me -- and all of us who served in Vietnam -- of committing
    terrible crimes and atrocities.

    On April 22, 1971, under oath, you told the Senate Foreign Relations
    Committee that you had knowledge that American troops "had personally


    raped,

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    cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human
    genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly
    shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan,
    shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged
    the country side of South Vietnam." And you admitted on television that
    "yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other
    soldiers have committed."

    And for good measure you stated, "(America is) more guilty than any other
    body, of violations of (the) Geneva Conventions ... the torture of
    prisoners, the killing of prisoners."

    Your "antiwar" statements and activities were painful for those of us
    carrying the scars of Vietnam and trying to move on with our lives. And


    for

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    those who were still there, it was even more hurtful. But those who


    suffered

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    the most from what you said and did were the hundreds of American


    prisoners

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    of war being held by Hanoi. Here's what some of them endured because of


    you,

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    John:

    Capt. James Warner had already spent four years in Vietnamese custody when
    he was handed a copy of your testimony by his captors. Warner says that


    for

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    his captors, your statements "were proof I deserved to be punished." He
    wasn't released until March 14, 1973.

    Maj. Kenneth Cordier, an Air Force pilot who was in Vietnamese custody for

    2,284 days, says his captors "repeated incessantly" your one-liner about
    being "the last man to die" for a lost cause. Cordier was released March


    4,

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    1973.

    Navy Lt. Paul Galanti says your accusations "were as demoralizing as
    solitary (confinement) ... and a prime reason the war dragged on." He
    remained in North Vietnamese hands until February

    12, 1973.

    John, did you think they would forget? When Tim Russert asked about your
    claim that you and others in Vietnam committed "atrocities," instead of
    standing by your sworn testimony, you confessed that your words "were a


    bit

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    over the top." Does that mean you lied under oath? Or does it mean you are


    a

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    war criminal? You can't have this one both ways, John. Either way, you're
    not fit to be a prison guard at Abu Ghraib, much less commander in chief.

    One last thing, John. In 1988, Jane Fonda said: "I would like to say
    something .. to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I


    caused

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    to deepen because of things that I said or did. I was trying to help end


    the

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    killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and
    careless about it and I'm ... very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to
    apologize to them and their families."

    Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?

    Oliver North is a nationally syndicated columnist, host of the Fox News
    Channel's War Stories and founder and honorary chairman of Freedom


    Alliance.

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    --
    "Hillary Clinton is a museum-quality specimen of a Yankee -


    self-righteous,

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    ruthless, self-aggrandizing" ~ Clyde Wilson

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  3. Not only does Ollie have combat experince, he is a convicted felon for
    lying to COngress, and STILL has a lucrative Govt job!

    Isn't it kind of rude for him to call Senator Kerry "John"?
    I don't think Kerry would call Bush "George" in public.

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