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  1. Subject: Quackpot Menace Clubbed in Canada: Ontario Health Freedom
    Legislation Passes
    From: "International Advocates for Health Freedom"

    Read Tim Bolen's article below about the recent health
    freedom legislation that just passed in Ontario, Canada,
    home of supposed "Quackbuster" Terry Polevoy.

    I am sending Bolen's article to Polevoy (see his anti
    alternative medicine website at
    healthwatcher.nethealthwatcher.net ) and to de licensed physician
    Stephen Barrett, another alleged "quackbuster"
    quackwatch.comquackwatch.com to see if either of them have
    anything to say whatsoever about this most interesting
    situation.

    I agree with Bolen's contention that Polevoy has been an
    invaluable help (albeit indirectly) towards the passage of
    the Canadian legislation, which is patterned after almost
    identical legislation that has passed in several US States
    which protects alternative practitioners from attacks by
    their state medical board (and now in Ontario from the
    Canadian College of Physicians and Surgeons) in the absence
    of demonstrable proof of harm to a patient.

    Given this massive setback for Polevoy, IAHF shares Bolen's
    question: Does Barrett still maintain faith in this guy to
    be heir to the so called quackbustin' throne when he goes
    into retirement? If so, IAHF does indeed feel a measure of
    real joy at the prospect of it, and sincerely wishes that
    Polevoy would only just move to a few more Canadian
    provinces, as well as back down to the states, but we only
    wish for him to live in states where health freedom
    legislation has not yet passed, as we feel his presence, his
    vitriolic attacks against alternative medicine would only
    continue to help us, just as it has in Ontario!

    So.... thank you Terry! You are indeed our good friend.
    Never thought I'd feel compelled to tell you so, but I
    do. Please continue making your unfounded attacks against
    us, because for every action, there is an exact and
    opposite reaction.
    --------------------------------------

    From: "Tim & Jan Bolen" To: "Millions of Health Freedom
    Fighters" Subject: "Quackpot Menace" CLUBBED in Canada...
    Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:55:52 -0800

    Opinion by Tim Bolen

    Stephen Barrett (www.quackwatch.com) may want to re-think
    his personal choice to succeed him on the North American
    "quackbuster" throne.

    His heir-apparent, US draft dodger turned Canadian,
    Terry Polevoy MD (www.healthwatcher.net), the pimple
    doctor making claims as an "altenative medicine critic"
    (sarcasm intended), has "blown it" big time in Canada's
    Ontario Province.

    Polevoy, who operates Canada's version of Barrett's
    "quackwatch.com," a propaganda website aimed at
    discrediting leading-edge health practitioners, and health
    philosophies Barrett doesn't agree with, was dealt the
    biggest blow the "quackbuster conspiracy" has ever been
    given. Barrett, and his minions, label leading edge health
    professionals "quacks."

    The Ontario government, in an official action, has formally
    declared the quackbuster philosophy as "bunk." Ontario holds
    one-third of Canada's entire population.

    Polevoy's website, "healthwatcher.com" is even more
    strident than Barrett's in its efforts to discredit and
    belittle health humanitarians who embrace natural
    approaches to health.

    The "quackbuster" organization, is sort of an organized
    idiocy, an attempt to legitimize medical backwardness.
    It is epitomized by the writings of "chief quackpot"
    Stephen Barrett. The government of New Zealand
    officially labeled Barrett's writings as "propaganda,
    and of no evidentiary value."

    Health leaders call Barrett, and company, "quackpots," and
    their organization "The Quackpot Menace."

    Both Barrett and Polevoy have been besieged with problems
    of late. Draft dodging Polevoy was under investigation by
    the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario over
    charges filed against him raising issueS of professional
    misconduct due to his website activities, and his
    "stalking" of Canadian Radio personality Christine McPhee,
    and other females.

    Barrett's credibility has suffered a major downturn when
    certain facts were brought to light about his alleged
    qualifications. It turns out that Barrett has been de-
    licensed, and has not had a license to practice medicine in
    any State since 1993. Also, Barrett made claims to being "a
    retired Psychiatrist,' without benefit of ever having been
    board certified as a Pyschiatrist in the first place.

  2. I wonder what mirror that spamming Dave is looking in
    right now?

    The legislation protects licensed, or registered health
    professionals who practice alternative medicine. But, it
    doesn't protect quacks who sell products like ginseng to
    cure patients that they see, or convince them to join in
    their MLM schemes.

    In 1997 the CPSO in Ontario approved a policy that allowed
    medical doctors to practice complementary or alternative
    medicine. It was updated several times.

    cpso.on.cacomplement.htm

    College Policy #1-00

    In assessing patients, physicians should:

    Perform a pertinent history and physical examination of the
    patient (sufficient to make or confirm a conventional
    diagnosis) and to meet the appropriate standard of practice
    of the profession. Investigate, when necessary, utilizing
    generally accepted modalities pertinent to the complaint.
    Reach a conventional diagnosis that reasonable physicians
    would reach, supported by the data. Advise the patient of
    the usual and conventional treatment options, their risks,
    benefits and efficacy as reflected by current knowledge.
    Document all of the above in accordance with the
    regulations. In treating patients, physicians should:

    Have demonstrated education, knowledge, skills and
    currency in their area of practice. Act honestly and
    always in their patients' best interests. Provide
    sufficient information to allow patients to make informed
    choices, and to refer to, or consult with, others when the
    practitioner requires assistance or when the standard of
    practice requires it. It should not be misconduct to refer
    a patient, honestly and without conflict of interest, to
    unconventional or complementary practitioners when
    appropriate and when there is no reason to believe such a
    referral would expose the patient to harm. Not
    misrepresent information or opinion; patients must be
    given the general degree of certainty or uncertainty of
    efficacy of a given therapy, notwithstanding the
    practitioner's individual beliefs. In advancing knowledge,
    physicians engaged in providing treatments in areas of
    less well proven efficacy in any area of medicine should:

    Ensure that their patients are told the degree to which
    tests, treatments or remedies have been evaluated, and the
    degree of certainty and predictability that exists about
    their efficacy and safety. Be prepared to collaborate in the
    collection of information that can be appraised
    qualitatively or quantitatively, so that new knowledge is
    created, to be shared with, and critically appraised by, the
    profession. In assessing complaints or concerns related to
    the practice of complementary or unconventional medicine,
    the College should:

    Utilize standards developed with the assistance of all
    interested members of the profession. Expect members to
    assist in evaluation of their colleagues. Utilize standing
    advisory panels as discussed in the full report.

    --------------------------------------

    resultsproject.netcan hl.html

    The Ontario law states that doctors should not be found
    guilty of professional misconduct or incompetence solely
    because they practise a nontraditional therapy "unless there
    is evidence that proves that the therapy poses a greater
    risk to a patient's health than the traditional or
    prevailing medicine."

    It does not protect hucksters, quacks, naturopaths,
    homeopaths, energy medical gurus, iridologists, visiting
    dentists or unlicensed American osteopaths who market their
    snake-oil to Canadians to cure serious and often fatal
    illnesses, does it Dave?

    You can read some of the debate. Pay attention to Helke
    Ferrie's testimony. She is one of the people who most likely
    come to anyone's defense, no matter how bad a doctor they
    are, as long as they practiced alternative medicine. She's
    married to a medical doctor, too. ontla.on.caha
    nsard/37_parl/session1/Committees/GenGov/pdfG040.pdf

    If you have the energy to wade through this muckity muck,
    then it might be a good idea to do a Google search like this
    for another opinion.

    google.comsearch
    8&oe=UTF-8&q=site%3Ahealthwatcher%2Enet+helke+ferrie

    It leads to a post made by Helke Ferrie on the internet that
    repeats the defamatory comments that are the very subject of
    a major defamation suit against Hulda Clark, and Tim Bolen,
    et. al. healthwatcher.netQuack
    radio/message1445drclark.html

    health.groups.yahoo.com1254

    So, if Dave goes to medical school, he too can cheer. If he
    treats patients and convinces them to buy his ginseng to
    cure their illnesses, he can be charged with practicing
    medicine without a license, or be sued by his customers.
    Even the Competition Bureau can charge him.

    So, the legislation doesn't count here.

    Vera

    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Quackpot Menace Clubbed in Canada: Ontario Health
    Freedom Legislation Passes From: "International Advocates
    for Health Freedom"

    Read Tim Bolen's article below about the recent health
    freedom legislation that just passed in Ontario, Canada,
    home of supposed "Quackbuster" Terry Polevoy.

    I am sending Bolen's article to Polevoy (see his anti
    alternative medicine website at
    healthwatcher.nethealthwatcher.net ) and to de licensed
    physician Stephen Barrett, another alleged "quackbuster"
    quackwatch.comquackwatch.com to see if either of them have
    anything to say whatsoever about this most interesting
    situation.

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave Wickware said:

    Subject: Quackpot Menace Clubbed in Canada: Ontario Health
    Freedom Legislation Passes From: "International Advocates
    for Health Freedom"

    Read Tim Bolen's article below about the recent health
    freedom legislation that just passed in Ontario, Canada,
    home of supposed "Quackbuster" Terry Polevoy.

    Getting your information about Polevoy from Bolen is like
    getting your information about Jews and black people from
    the Ku Klux Klan.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
    opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
    have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
    standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  4. "Vera Teasdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I wonder what mirror that spamming Dave is looking in
    right now?

    The legislation protects licensed, or registered health
    professionals


    There is the problem.

  5. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave Wickware said:

    Subject: Quackpot Menace Clubbed in Canada: Ontario
    Health Freedom Legislation Passes From: "International
    Advocates for Health Freedom"

    Read Tim Bolen's article below about the recent health
    freedom


    legislation

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that just passed in Ontario, Canada, home of supposed
    "Quackbuster" Terry Polevoy.

    Getting your information about Polevoy from Bolen is like
    getting your information about Jews and black people from
    the Ku Klux Klan.

    Using that scale, I would think that you would probably get
    better information from the Klan.

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