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  1. I'm not exactly a fan of fast-food, but I caved in this evening
    and walked over to the local "Chinese" take-out. I ordered a
    dinner for one.

    While I was there, six other people stopped by to pick up phoned-
    in orders. Not a single other customer was under 300 lb, in fact
    one might have been over 400. They waddled out to their cars with
    orders averaging almost 4 times the cost of mine per person. When
    I got my "dinner for one", it was about twice as much as I
    normally eat at a meal.

    I couldn't help but notice that the staff of the take-out all had
    figures similar to mine. (I admit to a bit of sexism here - a
    young girl had a far finer one :-) None of them could possibly be
    eating the food they were serving!

    The food, labeled "Canadian Chinese", was very similar to the
    Cretian recipe posted by Johana a few days ago, except for the
    use of god-knows-what-oils in place of olive oil. Calories. Gobs
    and gobs of them. All stir-fried, too.

    So, to get a better idea of what the obesity epidemic is about in
    North America, don't watch bus stops - watch Chinese take-outs.

  2. As I've posted before, most of the "obesity epidemic" is due to too
    much oxidative stress, which suppresses the thyroid and lowers
    metabolism. A low-grade chronic inflammation (also related to the
    excessive oxidative stress) causes more hunger. This occurs because
    the "typical American diet" is low in antioxidant sources and high in
    food that is either rancid or ready to go rancid inside your body (this
    is called lipid peroxdiation. In general, the more unsaturated the
    oils/fats you eat, the worse the condition will be. "Saturated fat"
    gets a bad name, but there's no real scientific definition for it,
    since lard, which is almost always classifed as "saturated fat" is
    actually only about 39% saturated, unlike coconut oil, which is 92%
    saturated. Asians on coconut oil diets are nearly all thin, with
    hardly any heart disease, cancer, AD, diabetes, etc.

    A frequent poster, MattLB, recently asked about hydrogenated coconut
    oil, because there was a post about an experiment concerning it. I
    bring it up here to demonstrate the complexity of the problem (which
    "nutritional experts" usually fail to comprehend). If all the double
    bonds in coconut oil were changed to saturated ones, without the
    addition of toxic nickel (which is used as a catalyst for the required
    reactions), and if the antioxidants were not destroyed, I would
    certainly prefer the hydrogenated coconut oil to the non-hydrogenated.
    However, there is no process that does this, so far as I'm aware.
    Instead, many of the double bonds will not become saturated, the
    antioxidants will be destroyed, and nickel will be added. Under these
    circumstances, I would not consume it, but rather trust my sense of
    taste to tell me if the oil is rancid or not. When other, highly
    unsaturated, oils are hydrogenated to make margarine (soybean, for
    example), antioxidants such as alpha tocopherol are always added, even
    though this makes no sense chemically. That is, if you buy soybean
    oil, you get soybean oil. But when you buy the more saturated soybean
    oil margarine, which should be more chemically stable (assuming it
    obeys basic chemical laws), you buy a product with antioxdants (and
    other preservatives) added. Thus, even those with little scientific
    knowledge can see that the reason is the instability created by the
    hydrogenation processes used now. MattLB assumes an hydrogenation
    process that has yet to be invented.

    Getting back to the main topic, farmers' daughters were often referred
    to as "corn fed," because the effects of eating such food were clear -
    you got fat. Farmers in the 1930s thought that coconut oil would
    fatten their pigs up, but instead, the pigs got leaner. After
    experimenting, corn was found to fatten the pigs up very nicely (and
    later soy was found to have similar effects). Since corn (and later
    soy) were cheap and effective, they've been used for the last 70 or so
    years by most American farmers. Now, how it's possible that the great
    "scientific experts" haven't figured this out and communicated it to
    the masses is remarkable, though some have done their best (such as
    biochemist Ray Peat). Make your own "Chinese food." I do. I eat
    plenty of coconut, dark chocolate, butter, full fat dairy, eggs, etc.,
    and I'm about 120 pounds at 5'9" tall (40 year old male). I'm never
    hungry either. The worst thing about the high oxidative stress diet
    most Americans are on is that it greatly increases your chances of
    getting a heart attack, cancer, diabets, AD, etc. Dr. Richard Stein,
    spokesman for the AHA, recently stated that only oxdized cholesterol is
    dangerous, but unfortunately, most of the public is getting the message
    that this vital substance is some sort of horrible poison, when in fact
    it is one of the best things you can eat if it doesn't get oxidized
    (which is why I boil the eggs I eat and never fry them).

  3. Check this website for some great explanation as to why so much obesity.
    www.releasingfat.com a website by a nutritionist - Dr Ray Strand who has
    become a rebel among his peers with books such as "What Your Doctor doesn't
    know about Nutritional Medicine Might be Killing You"

    If you like what you read and would like to try his recommendations or
    reccommend
    it to others, visit www.trulyhealthyandwealthy.com or contact me at
    [email hidden]

  4. montygram said:

    A frequent poster, MattLB, recently asked about hydrogenated coconut
    oil,

    No I didn't. Get some omega 3 in your brain quick.

    Quoted message said:

    because there was a post about an experiment concerning it. I
    bring it up here to demonstrate the complexity of the problem (which
    "nutritional experts" usually fail to comprehend). If all the double
    bonds in coconut oil were changed to saturated ones, without the
    addition of toxic nickel

    Nickel's not a toxin. It is poisonous in high enough quantities though.

    Quoted message said:

    (which is used as a catalyst for the required
    reactions), and if the antioxidants were not destroyed, I would
    certainly prefer the hydrogenated coconut oil to the non-hydrogenated.
    However, there is no process that does this, so far as I'm aware.
    Instead, many of the double bonds will not become saturated,

    Full saturation is easy to achieve, it's just that it creates an oil
    more solid than the food manufacturers want.

    Quoted message said:

    the
    antioxidants will be destroyed,

    By what?

    Quoted message said:

    and nickel will be added. Under these
    circumstances, I would not consume it, but rather trust my sense of
    taste to tell me if the oil is rancid or not. When other, highly
    unsaturated, oils are hydrogenated to make margarine (soybean, for
    example), antioxidants such as alpha tocopherol are always added, even
    though this makes no sense chemically.

    In what way doesn't it makes sense? Vitamin E will stop unwanted fat
    oxidation, because it's a fat soluble antioxidant.

    Quoted message said:

    That is, if you buy soybean
    oil, you get soybean oil. But when you buy the more saturated soybean
    oil margarine, which should be more chemically stable (assuming it
    obeys basic chemical laws), you buy a product with antioxdants (and
    other preservatives) added. Thus, even those with little scientific
    knowledge can see that the reason is the instability created by the
    hydrogenation processes used now.

    How exactly can hydrogenation make the oil more unstable when the
    number of double bonds can only decrease?

    Quoted message said:

    MattLB assumes an hydrogenation
    process that has yet to be invented.

    On the contrary, I think you simply fail to understand the processes
    available now.

    Quoted message said:

    Getting back to the main topic, farmers' daughters were often referred
    to as "corn fed," because the effects of eating such food were clear -
    you got fat.

    Because of the low GI starch, not because of the fatty acid
    composition.

    MattLB

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