normalizing iliopsoas?

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<< Emma >>

welcome ADDer! crossing over?

Do ADDer's ever do anything else?

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I've been living with low back and thigh pain for almost 15 years (I'm
: 29 now).

Who'd actually reply to a numbnutz loser like this? Imagine running with pain
all those years?

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<< Admittedly I have enough for two men >>

tell me more.

A pic is worth a thousand words.

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at least I have a toy penis.

My above words never rang more true then while reading your last sentance
above.

In sci.med Ozzie Gontang <[email hidden]> wrote:
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: Paula,

: First I'd check out Aaron Mattes website: www.stretchingusa.com You
: might want to invest in the Active Isolated Stretching DVD.

: A book I'd suggest you can get from http://www.abe.com. It is a book
: called Look Better Feel Better by Bess Mensendieck. It's out of print
: but there are many copies available from $5 on up. Great exercises.

: Remember the most important strech for the psoas is correct posture.
: If you are slouching, the psoas shortens.

A tight (or scarred) psoas will also pull the spine into a lordosis. (aka bubble butt, or exaggerated lumbar extension.)

For some great information, you may want to check out is Travell & Simons'
Myofascial Pain and Dysfunction: The Trigger Point Manual (2-Volume Set)
by David G. Simons, Janet G. Travell, Lois S. Simons, Barbara D. Cummings

This is the gold standard, with regard to physical medicine and
physiotherapy.

There is a wonderful, full chapter on the psoas.

Emma

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Are you looking to find a general lower body stretching program?

Yes. Stretching and also making it strong maybe?

I will check out. thanks!

Ozzie Gontang <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Paula,

First I'd check out Aaron Mattes website: www.stretchingusa.com You
might want to invest in the Active Isolated Stretching DVD.

A book I'd suggest you can get from http://www.abe.com. It is a book
called Look Better Feel Better by Bess Mensendieck. It's out of print
but there are many copies available from $5 on up. Great exercises.

Remember the most important strech for the psoas is correct posture.
If you are slouching, the psoas shortens.

An interesting fact is that you know the psoas by its French name:
filet mignon.

In health and on the run,
Ozzie Gontang
Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975
Maintainer - rec.running FAQ
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Mindful Running:
http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp

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Hi,

I've been living with low back and thigh pain for almost 15 years (I'm
29 now). The symptons got chronically worse in the last 2-3 years, and
even after a LOT of doctors (since i was +/- 15), no conclusive
diagnosis neither sucessful treatment was found.

Recently, a physiotherapist who also does some dance classes with me
(contemporary ballet and jazz) accepted the challenge to try to treat
me. After 3 or 4 wrong guesses about the source of the pain, she
realized that "something is wrong with your iliopsoas muscle": it was
shortened. This was quite surprising, because I have extremelly high
stretching and mobility in legs, hip and groin (negative grand des car).

She then tought me how to relax and stretch this muscle (laying down
in the end of table, holding one knee against the chest and letting
the other leg fall down). I've been doing this for two weeks now. I'm
feeling some real difference for the first time, though, I must be
honest, muscles that didn't used to sore now are soring, while others
seems to be relaxing. I think this is more than expected, I can
imagine that some muscles may had become weaker due to the tight
iliopsoas.

Well, in one week I'm going abroad for a 6 months stay and I'm looking
for exercises or stretching that I can I do alone, by myself, that can
help me to continue normalizing this situation. She is looking for me
also but I thought that maybe anyone of you has some ideia or
suggestion?

Thx
Paula

Hi Emma, i will write you directly to have more info about this book.

Emma Chase VanCott <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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In sci.med Paula <[email hidden]> wrote:
: Hi,

: I've been living with low back and thigh pain for almost 15 years (I'm
: 29 now). The symptons got chronically worse in the last 2-3 years, and
: even after a LOT of doctors (since i was +/- 15), no conclusive
: diagnosis neither sucessful treatment was found.

There is a yoga expert who has written a book on the psoas.

I tore my psoas at age 19.

Nasty injury.

I am still payning for it 14 years later.

1. keep it strong; do weights.
2. keep it stretched out; avoid static positions for long periods
(standing, sitting).
3. get help with assisted stretching from a physiotherapist. They can use
"muscle energy techniques".
4. Laser works for the inner thigh/groin/pelvic pain.

Emma

<< Laser works for the inner thigh/groin/pelvic pain. >>

....ah, yes, indeed, i wrote an article on that...you, too, i see, are an
expert. the pool of knowledge spreads...

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Hi Scott, i will try. And also check the julstro, i didnt know about
it. Strangely, if I understood correctly what you described, it is
similar to a "cambre" ballet movement or the "snake" yoga position,
which usually gives me a lot of pain. But didnt tried resting the hips
against the cabinet. Do you feel pain when doing it?

cheers
paula

"Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Try this, from the Julstro web site. It's helped me with my Psoas:

turn around at the sink - putting your calves up against the cabinet, and
your hips resting against the counter. Keep your hips and calves gently
touching the cabinet; also keep facing straight ahead, and lean back, moving
your upper back over the sink. Be aware to keep the pressure the same on
your hips and calves, if you feel it increasing you will know you are
leaning back with your lower body. Also, check to make sure that your weight
is evenly distributed on your feet and you aren't leaning back onto your
heels. It helps if you place your hands on your stomach and lift up your
chest, stretching your abdominal muscles. This will raise the spine a bit
before you lean back. Do this movement 10 times

On the last stretch bend forward, arching your back and moving your hips
side to side.

Paula wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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Hi,

I've been living with low back and thigh pain for almost 15 years (I'm
29 now). The symptons got chronically worse in the last 2-3 years, and
even after a LOT of doctors (since i was +/- 15), no conclusive
diagnosis neither sucessful treatment was found.

Recently, a physiotherapist who also does some dance classes with me
(contemporary ballet and jazz) accepted the challenge to try to treat
me. After 3 or 4 wrong guesses about the source of the pain, she
realized that "something is wrong with your iliopsoas muscle": it was
shortened. This was quite surprising, because I have extremelly high
stretching and mobility in legs, hip and groin (negative grand des car).

She then tought me how to relax and stretch this muscle (laying down
in the end of table, holding one knee against the chest and letting
the other leg fall down). I've been doing this for two weeks now. I'm
feeling some real difference for the first time, though, I must be
honest, muscles that didn't used to sore now are soring, while others
seems to be relaxing. I think this is more than expected, I can
imagine that some muscles may had become weaker due to the tight
iliopsoas.

Well, in one week I'm going abroad for a 6 months stay and I'm looking
for exercises or stretching that I can I do alone, by myself, that can
help me to continue normalizing this situation. She is looking for me
also but I thought that maybe anyone of you has some ideia or
suggestion?

Thx
Paula

No, there is no pain. I think the secret is to lean back just until you feel
the pressure in your lower back (don't overdo it), then return to vertical
and repeat. The movement you're looking for here is pretty small. It almost
doesn't seem like you're stretching anything, but it seems to work.

Good luck.

Paula wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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Hi Scott, i will try. And also check the julstro, i didnt know about
it. Strangely, if I understood correctly what you described, it is
similar to a "cambre" ballet movement or the "snake" yoga position,
which usually gives me a lot of pain. But didnt tried resting the hips
against the cabinet. Do you feel pain when doing it?

cheers
paula

"Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Try this, from the Julstro web site. It's helped me with my Psoas:

turn around at the sink - putting your calves up against the cabinet, and
your hips resting against the counter. Keep your hips and calves gently
touching the cabinet; also keep facing straight ahead, and lean back,

moving

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your upper back over the sink. Be aware to keep the pressure the same on
your hips and calves, if you feel it increasing you will know you are
leaning back with your lower body. Also, check to make sure that your

weight

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is evenly distributed on your feet and you aren't leaning back onto your
heels. It helps if you place your hands on your stomach and lift up your
chest, stretching your abdominal muscles. This will raise the spine a bit
before you lean back. Do this movement 10 times

On the last stretch bend forward, arching your back and moving your hips
side to side.

Paula wrote in message

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Hi,

I've been living with low back and thigh pain for almost 15 years (I'm
29 now). The symptons got chronically worse in the last 2-3 years, and
even after a LOT of doctors (since i was +/- 15), no conclusive
diagnosis neither sucessful treatment was found.

Recently, a physiotherapist who also does some dance classes with me
(contemporary ballet and jazz) accepted the challenge to try to treat
me. After 3 or 4 wrong guesses about the source of the pain, she
realized that "something is wrong with your iliopsoas muscle": it was
shortened. This was quite surprising, because I have extremelly high
stretching and mobility in legs, hip and groin (negative grand des car).

She then tought me how to relax and stretch this muscle (laying down
in the end of table, holding one knee against the chest and letting
the other leg fall down). I've been doing this for two weeks now. I'm
feeling some real difference for the first time, though, I must be
honest, muscles that didn't used to sore now are soring, while others
seems to be relaxing. I think this is more than expected, I can
imagine that some muscles may had become weaker due to the tight
iliopsoas.

Well, in one week I'm going abroad for a 6 months stay and I'm looking
for exercises or stretching that I can I do alone, by myself, that can
help me to continue normalizing this situation. She is looking for me
also but I thought that maybe anyone of you has some ideia or
suggestion?

Thx
Paula

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I will check out.

Dude, don't kill yourself, it's just NOT that important.

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the pool of knowledge spreads...

So does herpes...

<< Dude, don't kill yourself, it's just NOT that important.>>

are you rational?

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are you rational?

Yes of course I am, it's he that's contemplating suicide.

<< >are you rational?>>>

<<Yes of course I am, it's he that's contemplating suicide. >>

is he?

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More importantly, check your shrinks zipper. >>

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is he?

He said he was "considering ending it all".

<< He said he was "considering ending it all". >>

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...a new beginning follows every ending...

I absolutely believe life goes on, even after the bodys a rotting piece of
decayed flesh, with worms, bugs, and maggots in it's eye sockets, and rats
eating your intestines.

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burn, baby burn...

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