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  1. Right, I'm completely new to the weight training game so please bear
    with me!

    My objective is to increase muscle size, particularly arms, neck,
    shoulders and chest (I am working legs aswell).

    I've had some problems planning my routine. I am aware of the basics
    (I've done lots of reading around the subject) and I'm following rules
    such as: not over exercising by exercising the same muscles repeatedly
    during a week (I leave 48hrs min for a particular muscle/group);
    starting with large muscles and working to small; and keeping my sets
    down to 8-10 reps to failure etc.

    I have questions like: how many sets should I be doing? I am currently
    aiming for 5 sets with 8-10reps each (to failure). Should I reduce this
    to 3 sets?

    How long should I leave it between sets? I currently wait 60secs.
    Should I be still, or active during rest?

    When I'm working my chest, shoulders or back I generally seem to also
    be using my arms... should I therefore work my chest and arms in the
    same session? e.g. benchpress seems to also work my tris/bis.. although
    actually it is my chest which "aches" the morning after... Is it okay
    to do benchpresses one day and curls the next? (or is there a risk of
    not allowing arm muscles to heal?)

    when doing benchpress, I am told (by books/websites etc) to place my
    feet flat on the floor either side of the bench. I find this can result
    in my back arching somewhat. It seems much more comfortable and
    effective to have my legs raised on the bench also.... is this ok? When
    I raise my legs, my back doesn't arch.

    supplements: I currently only take whey protein after a workout. I have
    some creatine and may start using it in a phased approach in a few
    weeks. Does this sound reasonable?

    oh, and how long will I have to wait to see results? ;-)

    be kind to a newbie! Thanks!

  2. Tony said:

    My objective is to increase muscle size, particularly arms, neck,
    shoulders and chest (I am working legs aswell).

    Look up HST (hypertrophy-specific training).

    Also see www.exrx.net

    Quoted message said:

    I have questions like: how many sets should I be doing? I am
    currently aiming for 5 sets with 8-10reps each (to failure). Should
    I reduce this to 3 sets?

    I do one warmup set and one heavy set of 8-12 3xWeek and see slow
    reliable gains, but 2-3 sets seems to be the norm.

    Quoted message said:

    How long should I leave it between sets? I currently wait 60secs.
    Should I be still, or active during rest?

    I do 60 sec. More if I feel queasy.

    Quoted message said:

    When I'm working my chest, shoulders or back I generally seem to
    also be using my arms... should I therefore work my chest and arms
    in the same session?

    The usual splits are either upper/lower or push/pull. You get some
    minors in each major lift, but since they're "minor" and not specific,
    you can get away with using them more often.

    Quoted message said:

    when doing benchpress, I am told (by books/websites etc) to place my
    feet flat on the floor either side of the bench. I find this can
    result in my back arching somewhat. It seems much more comfortable
    and effective to have my legs raised on the bench also.... is this
    ok? When I raise my legs, my back doesn't arch.

    IMHO feet on the floor gives better stability. Back arching a little
    shouldn't be a problem; just watch the positioning of your shoulder
    blades (together, not apart).

    Quoted message said:

    supplements: I currently only take whey protein after a workout. I
    have some creatine and may start using it in a phased approach in a
    few weeks. Does this sound reasonable?

    Whey+carbs is better. Some folks do half before and half after the
    workout too.

    Creating is good, but "phased" is wrong; with creating you *load* at
    first then cut down to an ongoing level.

    Quoted message said:

    oh, and how long will I have to wait to see results? ;-)

    If you're a newbie, strength results happen quickly, but mostly it's
    due to adaptation and not muscle growth. You'll eventually hit a
    plateau then start slowly improving again; this is where the growth
    part happens.

  3. Tony said:

    Right, I'm completely new to the weight training game so please bear
    with me!

    My objective is to increase muscle size, particularly arms, neck,
    shoulders and chest (I am working legs aswell).

    The stuff you can see in a mirror. Yup, got it. Please remember to
    work your back, too.

    Quoted message said:

    I've had some problems planning my routine. I am aware of the basics
    (I've done lots of reading around the subject) and I'm following rules
    such as: not over exercising by exercising the same muscles repeatedly
    during a week (I leave 48hrs min for a particular muscle/group);
    starting with large muscles and working to small; and keeping my sets
    down to 8-10 reps to failure etc.

    You should NOT go to failure, particularly if you're new to weight
    training. Stop as soon as your form fails. Do more reading on this.

    Quoted message said:

    I have questions like: how many sets should I be doing? I am currently
    aiming for 5 sets with 8-10reps each (to failure). Should I reduce this
    to 3 sets?

    I've heard 2 to 4 as being useful with three being a happy medium.

    Quoted message said:

    How long should I leave it between sets? I currently wait 60secs.
    Should I be still, or active during rest?

    I wait 60 seconds but try not to go longer than that.

    Quoted message said:

    When I'm working my chest, shoulders or back I generally seem to also
    be using my arms... should I therefore work my chest and arms in the
    same session? e.g. benchpress seems to also work my tris/bis.. although
    actually it is my chest which "aches" the morning after... Is it okay
    to do benchpresses one day and curls the next? (or is there a risk of
    not allowing arm muscles to heal?)

    when doing benchpress, I am told (by books/websites etc) to place my
    feet flat on the floor either side of the bench. I find this can result
    in my back arching somewhat. It seems much more comfortable and
    effective to have my legs raised on the bench also.... is this ok? When
    I raise my legs, my back doesn't arch.

    You can put some weight plates down to rest your legs on. Styles
    differ. I was initially taught to keep my back flat, but then I got a
    coach to help me prepare for a powerlifting competition and she taught
    me to arch my back. At that point I had been lifting for a couple of years.

    Quoted message said:

    supplements: I currently only take whey protein after a workout. I have
    some creatine and may start using it in a phased approach in a few
    weeks. Does this sound reasonable?

    I dunno. I don't know what else you're eating, how old you are, your
    sex or your overall goals.

    Quoted message said:

    oh, and how long will I have to wait to see results? ;-)

    Immaterial.

    Quoted message said:

    be kind to a newbie! Thanks!

    This is what passes for kind here.

    Dally

  4. Quoted message said:

    My objective is to increase muscle size, particularly arms, neck,
    shoulders and chest (I am working legs aswell).

    I've had some problems planning my routine. I am aware of the basics
    (I've done lots of reading around the subject) and I'm following rules
    such as: not over exercising by exercising the same muscles repeatedly
    during a week (I leave 48hrs min for a particular muscle/group);
    starting with large muscles and working to small; and keeping my sets
    down to 8-10 reps to failure etc.

    Great, so what's your routine? What exercises do you do, in what order, on what
    days....

    Quoted message said:


    I have questions like: how many sets should I be doing? I am currently
    aiming for 5 sets with 8-10reps each (to failure). Should I reduce this
    to 3 sets?

    Yes, maybe less. 5 sets to failure?! Ow.

    Quoted message said:


    How long should I leave it between sets? I currently wait 60secs.
    Should I be still, or active during rest?

    Still, IMO.

    Quoted message said:


    When I'm working my chest, shoulders or back I generally seem to also
    be using my arms... should I therefore work my chest and arms in the
    same session? e.g. benchpress seems to also work my tris/bis.. although
    actually it is my chest which "aches" the morning after... Is it okay
    to do benchpresses one day and curls the next? (or is there a risk of
    not allowing arm muscles to heal?)

    Whole body workouts make more sense than split routines.

    Quoted message said:


    when doing benchpress, I am told (by books/websites etc) to place my
    feet flat on the floor either side of the bench. I find this can result
    in my back arching somewhat. It seems much more comfortable and
    effective to have my legs raised on the bench also.... is this ok? When
    I raise my legs, my back doesn't arch.

    No. Arch is fine, as long as your butt stays on the bench.

    Quoted message said:


    supplements: I currently only take whey protein after a workout. I have
    some creatine and may start using it in a phased approach in a few
    weeks. Does this sound reasonable?

    Sure. What about food?

    Quoted message said:


    oh, and how long will I have to wait to see results? ;-)

    If the first thing you do three days a week is heavy full squats to failure, you
    should see results very fast.

    If you're doing machine work, I don't know.

  5. Tony wrote: (snips here and there)

    Quoted message said:

    Right, I'm completely new to
    weight training

    I read the other replies to your post and recommend that you take what
    you've been offered (here and in the books you've read so far) and see
    what works best. But this next part you wrote caught my eye:

    Quoted message said:

    My objective is to increase muscle size,
    particularly arms, neck, shoulders and
    chest (I am working legs aswell).

    Time out.

    If your goal is to increase muscle size, particularly arms, neck,
    shoulders and chest then you shouldn't be /working legs *as well*/ but
    should be working legs *First and Foremost!*

    Squats. Full, breathing squats. Stimulating leg muscles will get your
    whole body growing. I've read, a million years ago, that to gain an
    inch on your arms you have to gain about ten or fifteen pounds. You're
    not going to gain that weight by doing dumbbell laterals or barbell
    curls.

    So, when you say working legs as well, I hope that means that you're
    punishing them.

    Quoted message said:

    I have questions like: how many sets
    should I be doing?

    This varies and is up to individual preference. The one beginner book
    that I had in my hand when I was 15 years old was Lou Ravelle's
    _Bodybuilding for Everyone_. He recommended, if I recall correctly, one
    set for the newbie and then increasing to three sets per exercise after
    a few weeks. He also included chapters on really hammering a bodypart
    with five sets, again, iirc.

    Quoted message said:

    Should I reduce this to 3 sets?

    Whatever you decide, one set, five sets, three, stick with your program
    for a few weeks at the very least to see if it's doing any good. You
    won't see results immediately.

    Quoted message said:

    How long should I leave it between sets?

    The typical 60 seconds is not a bad idea, but when I do power cleans,
    deadlifts, squats, even heavy benching I've taken a longer rest. Two,
    even three minutes isn't unreasonable.

    Quoted message said:

    I currently wait 60secs.
    Should I be still, or active during rest?

    heh

    You should remain immobile. Frozen! Or your arms will never gain
    another quarter-inch! 8^p

    Sit on a bench, walk around the gym, get a drink of water, whatever.
    You don't have to be still. Eventually, I'm sure you'll be doing super
    sets as well, so, yeah, being active during /rest/ is an option.

    Quoted message said:

    Is it okay to do benchpresses one day
    and curls the next? (or is there a risk of
    not allowing arm muscles to heal?)

    Many people work five days on and two days off with their arm day
    following their chest day. I doubt it will kill you, but as a beginner
    I worked three days a week and a full body workout. There's nothing
    wrong with old school techniques.

    Quoted message said:

    when doing benchpress
    seems much more comfortable and
    effective to have my legs raised on the
    bench also.... is this ok? When
    I raise my legs, my back doesn't arch.

    I've seen people bench with their feet raised on the bench. Some
    authors/trainers even recommend this as a way to isolate the pecs, but
    I prefer feet down for stability's sake. If you're going heavy, you
    don't want to roll off the bench! 8^)

    Perhaps you should work on your flexibility with some basic stretching
    movements. Those should add to your comfort. Google is your friend if
    you're unfamiliar with stretching.

    Quoted message said:

    oh, and how long will I have to wait to
    see results? ;-)

    Again, this is an individual thing. Some guys will pack on the pounds
    simply or seemingly by *looking* at the weights while others will lift
    forever and not see much progress. Best of luck, of course, but with
    enough quality food, rest and exercise - especially SQUATS and other
    compound movements - you'll make your own luck.

    --
    Curt
    http://curtjames.com/

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