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  1. The Big Baguette said:

    Right now I fancy doing something spectacularly good JUST FOR ME. And the shape I want that to take
    is a touring bike that meets two criteria: It's wonderful to ride; and no-one else has got one just
    like it. If I spend £3,000 I spend £3,000. If more, more. If I pay import duty, I pay import duty.
    Just imagine if it was a car I wanted, instead of a bike.

    If money is _really_ no object, get seven bikes, from, say Roberts, Longstaff, M Steel etc. Made to
    measure, custom paint job. Then get not only your name on the top tube, but the day of the week as
    well. Couldget tricky if you ride more than one day away from home though.

    Tim
    --

    fast and gripping, non pompous, glossy and credible.

  2. In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Storey
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:


    But if MNO, and you want something no one else has, go for a full tilt French randonneuse with
    custom built chrome carriers fore-and-aft, integrated lighting, etc. After all, who wants mere
    bolted-on after-market parts?

    Quoted message said:

    Or look at the Follis Paris-Brest and Brest-Menton under "Velos Randonneurs" at www.follis.tm.fr.
    The carrier options are under "Options".

    I'm in love. Deeply, passionately smitten by the Paris-Brest. To say nothing of the Berthoud bags --
    there's a wet spot on the floor right by my PC. I just couldn't help myself.

    And to order one I'll have to go to Lyon! And I'll be forced to eat there!! God, it's a tough life.
    Lyon is my seriously favourite town to eat in.
    --
    The Big Baguette

  3. In article <[email hidden]>, Tim Hall
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    The Big Baguette said:

    Right now I fancy doing something spectacularly good JUST FOR ME. And the shape I want that to
    take is a touring bike that meets two criteria: It's wonderful to ride; and no-one else has got
    one just like it. If I spend £3,000 I spend £3,000. If more, more. If I pay import duty, I pay
    import duty. Just imagine if it was a car I wanted, instead of a bike.

    If money is _really_ no object, get seven bikes, from, say Roberts, Longstaff, M Steel etc. Made to
    measure, custom paint job. Then get not only your name on the top tube, but the day of the week as
    well. Couldget tricky if you ride more than one day away from home though.


    Nice idea, but I don't have room for seven bikes. <Sotto voce: Stupid
    boy>
    --
    The Big Baguette

  4. The Big Baguette said:

    Well, if it's worth it, why not? I've been called a fool here for being willing to spend my
    own money.

    No, you haven't.

    Now, stating only the criterion that you want your name painted on a bike, and proposing to spend
    3,000 quid on that when Bob Jackson will do it for 100, that's another matter.

    [Perhaps you have some other criteria?]
    --
    David Damerell <[email hidden]> Kill the tomato!

  5. In article <[email hidden]>, David Damerell
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    The Big Baguette said:

    Well, if it's worth it, why not? I've been called a fool here for being willing to spend my
    own money.

    No, you haven't.

    Now, stating only the criterion that you want your name painted on a bike, and proposing to spend
    3,000 quid on that when Bob Jackson will do it for 100, that's another matter.

    [Perhaps you have some other criteria?]

    Sadly, I don't recognise your description of what has gone before. Is English, perhaps, not your
    native language? Or are you only too British, and possessed by that dread disease of these isles
    that hates seeing other people get what they want, and always knows what they should have better
    than they do themselves?

    --
    The Big Baguette

  6. "Gearóid Ó Laoi, Garry Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    My experience of how friends who cycletour with me spend money is that they splash out loads on a
    bike which is inferior in robustness to something like a Dawes Galaxy, or has pathetic wheel
    clearance and then skimp on stuff like proper bags, cameras etc.

    Bags. Gotta be Ortlieb. Camera. Gotta be really good. Raincoat for touring. Gotta have zips under
    the arms, a hood, etc.

    Garry,

    As to raincoats, I seem to recall you were a fan of the triple point ceramic stuff. Any more recent
    thoughts/developments you'd care to share? As always, your personal circumstances make your views
    somewhat weightier than those of someone from, say, Southern California.

    Peter Storey

  7. The Big Baguette said:

    Sadly, I don't recognise your description of what has gone before. Is English, perhaps, not your
    native language? Or are you only too British, and possessed by that dread disease of these isles
    that hates seeing other people get what they want,

    Huh?

    What you want's your name on the machine. You'll get that if you follow the suggestion of having it
    repainted. So how can I hate to see that, when I suggested it?

    I do think you are reacting rather strangely to the idea that there may be better reasons to shell
    for a custom frame than what's written on the side of it.
    --
    David Damerell <[email hidden]> Kill the tomato!

  8. Garry Lee said:

    I never called you a fool. I quoted an old saying, probably by Shakespeare.

    A fool and his money are easily parted.

    Just to interupt in an off-topic fashion: On Eurosport today, DD stated, '... ad nauseum. Now that's
    a good English word.'

    Made me laugh.

    James

    --
    A credit limit is NOT a target.

  9. In article <[email hidden]>, David Damerell
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    The Big Baguette said:

    Sadly, I don't recognise your description of what has gone before. Is English, perhaps, not your
    native language? Or are you only too British, and possessed by that dread disease of these isles
    that hates seeing other people get what they want,

    Huh?

    What you want's your name on the machine. You'll get that if you follow the suggestion of having it
    repainted. So how can I hate to see that, when I suggested it?

    I do think you are reacting rather strangely to the idea that there may be better reasons to shell
    for a custom frame than what's written on the side of it.

    Your comprehension appears to be adrift. I said I wanted a new bike and that it would be custom

    built. Specifically said:

    I want a new tourer. I've got enough to spend that money's not an issue, I want something that
    feels great and looks good and I do rather feel like indulging the obnoxious flash git who is never
    far below the surface. It all says custom build.

    OK. So who by? Who do I go to?

    You see any reference there to having my name painted on the bike? Neither do I.

    Tony W suggested a Galaxy. Nothing wrong with a Galaxy, but if I want custom-built then, by
    definition, I don't want a Galaxy. Right?

    At that point -- and perhaps slightly tongue in cheek -- I said:

    I'm going to be appallingly vulgar here (never difficult for me). I don't want a Galaxy, because
    other people have them. I want something where the maker's final act will be to paint 'Baggy' where
    'Dawes' would otherwise go. I want something custom built for me alone. That's the question: who
    makes really good custom-built bikes that are absolute one-offs?

    Still here? Splendid. So, painting my name is the final act. The key issues are: that it's made for
    me alone; and that it's really good. Not really good in the style of the utterly dependable Dawes
    Galaxy -- really good as in absolutely ****ing sensational. THAT, and not having my name painted on
    it (I'm not actually called Baggy, you know), is what I'm prepared to spend the money on. I've given
    reasons for being prepared to spend whatever it costs to get what I want. Those reasons seem good to
    me and -- surprise! -- that means they satisfy the only person who needs to be satisfied.

    Right now, it looks like being the Follis Paris-Brest. Contrary to gloomy predictions, I'm confident
    that bike won't be 'inferior in robustness to something like a Dawes Galaxy', nor will it have
    'pathetic wheel clearance'. And I sure as hell won't 'skimp on stuff like proper bags'. Whether I
    can summon the nerve to ask Follis to paint my name on it is something I'll think about when I'm
    there. In case I can't, will someone recommend a top notch paintshop ?

    --
    The Big Baguette

  10. In article <[email hidden]>, James Hodson
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    The Big Baguette said:
    Quoted message said:

    I love your attitude. ENJOY YOUR MONEY! Get a lovely bike & enjoy riding it while you can.


    Thanks. I suspect you're not British, yes? There's this terrible British thing that says it's not
    really all right to enjoy what you've worked for and certainly not all right to enjoy it publicly.

    TBB

    I loathe that attitude. IMO, it's down to the indivual how one spends one's m(h)oney.

    Quite agree

    Quoted message said:

    Whether a millionaire or a pauper it's entirely up to the person involved - certainly, it's no
    business of the state, which, of course, always thinks it knows better.

    Especially the Chancellor we have now. All money is the People's money, and the People's money
    belongs to him, so al money is his

    Quoted message said:


    James - ain't have it, can't flaunt it :-)

    PS Don't get me started on university entrance qualifications, or lack thereof

    --
    A credit limit is NOT a target.

    --
    The Big Baguette

  11. The Big Baguette said:
    Quoted message said:

    I love your attitude. ENJOY YOUR MONEY! Get a lovely bike & enjoy riding it while you can.


    Thanks. I suspect you're not British, yes? There's this terrible British thing that says it's not
    really all right to enjoy what you've worked for and certainly not all right to enjoy it publicly.

    TBB

    I loathe that attitude. IMO, it's down to the indivual how one spends one's m(h)oney. Whether a
    millionaire or a pauper it's entirely up to the person involved - certainly, it's no business of the
    state, which, of course, always thinks it knows better.

    James - ain't have it, can't flaunt it :-)

    PS Don't get me started on university entrance qualifications, or lack thereof

    --
    A credit limit is NOT a target.

  12. On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:27:06 +0000, Call me Bob <[email hidden]> wrote:

    snip

    Quoted message said:

    Simple. You want a Roberts.

    robertscycles.comrobertscycles.com

    I *want* a Roberts :-(

    Richard

    Please remove THIS if replying

  13. In article <[email hidden]>, James Hodson
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    The Big Baguette said:

    Especially the Chancellor we have now. All money is the People's money, and the People's money
    belongs to him, so all money is his

    A1, TBB. Governments of all shades seem to forget that they do not actually have any money of their
    own at all. It's all ours.


    Very true. When the Tory chancellors were reducing tax, it was always presented as 'giving money
    back' when what it actually was was taking less away. Mind you, the price of reduced tax rates was
    the likes of Dominic Lawson and Leon Brittan, so maybe B rown isn't quite so bad, after all.

    <Thinks>

    Actually, yes he is, the [censored].
    --
    The Big Baguette

  14. The Big Baguette said:

    Especially the Chancellor we have now. All money is the People's money, and the People's money
    belongs to him, so all money is his

    A1, TBB. Governments of all shades seem to forget that they do not actually have any money of their
    own at all. It's all ours.

    James

    --
    A credit limit is NOT a target.

  15. God you've a good memory.

    I currently have a triple point ceramic, but it's not the fabric which is the thing but the design.
    Wide cuffs which can be tightened, or pulled up, zips under both arms and a good hood.

    The best fabric I've ever come across but the coat is too bulky for touring is the amazing Nikwax
    Peramo, made by a British firm. This is so breathable you can blow through it, but totally
    waterproof.

  16. Call me Bob <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    The Big Baguette said:

    I want a new tourer. I've got enough to spend that money's not an issue, I want something that
    feels great and looks good and I do rather feel like indulging the obnoxious flash git who is
    never far below the surface. It all says custom build.

    OK. So who by? Who do I go to?

    Simple. You want a Roberts.

    robertscycles.comrobertscycles.com

    Damn, beat me to it. Though Dave Yates up in the North-East is also worth consideration, see;

    msteelcycles.co.ukmsteelcycles.co.uk

    David E. Belcher

    Dept. of Chemistry, University of York

  17. Gearóid Ó Laoi said:

    What this Grande Baguette should do is buy a Galaxy and get someone to paint something on it, but
    a fool and his money are easily parted.....

    I was going to at least half-seriously enquire why one might want a Roberts rather than a Galaxy,
    actually. Beyond the "I got a shiny bike made to my specifications" thing, that is...?

    Matthew

    --
    Rapun.sel - outermost outpost of the Pick Empire pick.ucam.orgpick.ucam.org

  18. The Big Baguette said:
    At that point -- and perhaps slightly tongue in cheek -- I said:

    I'm going to be appallingly vulgar here (never difficult for me). I don't want a Galaxy, because
    other people have them. I want something where the maker's final act will be to paint 'Baggy'
    where 'Dawes' would otherwise go.

    Indeed. I see that it was a misunderstanding to read an implied "because" here.
    --
    David Damerell <[email hidden]> flcl?

  19. In article <[email hidden]>, David Damerell
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    The Big Baguette said:
    At that point -- and perhaps slightly tongue in cheek -- I said:

    I'm going to be appallingly vulgar here (never difficult for me). I don't want a Galaxy, because
    other people have them. I want something where the maker's final act will be to paint 'Baggy'
    where 'Dawes' would otherwise go.

    Indeed. I see that it was a misunderstanding to read an implied "because" here.

    Well -- I suppose if you wanted to infer the words 'because I'm a bumptious s**t', I suppose I
    couldn't altogether complain.
    --
    The Big Baguette

  20. The Big Baguette <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Touring for me means staying in pubs/hotels/B&Bs/Chambres d'hote. I.e. it does not mean carrying
    camping gear. I do need panniers, though. On road, track and towpath -- i.e. not off road, but
    some of those towpaths get a bit rough. England, Wales, France and that's about it.

    I want a new tourer. I've got enough to spend that money's not an issue, I want something that
    feels great and looks good and I do rather feel like indulging the obnoxious flash git who is
    never far below the surface. It all says custom build.

    OK. So who by? Who do I go to?

    For top end custom touring bikes, start with Longstaff, Roberts, Yates. For racing bikes (and bikes
    designed by racers) you have a wider choice. One of the factors that will influence your choice is
    who it's easier to go and see - you don't want to do it all be email. Another factor may be waiting
    list lengths. Our club (Cheltenham) are mostly Longstaff (8-10) when it comes to custom frames, with
    a couple of Roberts', an Argos and a Tony Oliver (by memory)

    For Hotel/Hostel touring, I would recommend doing as the French do, and using front low-riders, so
    get the fork bosses put on. Paint jobs, lettering etc etc you just have to ask (and pay) for.

    I have a Longstaff, but it's an expedition type of bike and isn't in day to day use, for which I
    have a Thorn (mended twice after breaking)

    Andrew

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