new saddle

In article <[email hidden]>,

David L. Johnson said:

Frank said:

Hi there,

I ride a hybrid, and I think I need to have the saddle replaced for
comfort. I checked Mr. Sheldon Brown's Web site and he recommends the
old-school Brooks leather saddles.

I would like to hear the group's opinions, too. Are the "state-of-
the-art" saddles of today better or worse? Or whether a saddle fits or
not is case-by-case?

It very much depends on you. On a hybrid, part of the issue is that with
your upright posture, you put more of your weight on the saddle than those
riding with drop bars. Most of the people praising the Brooks are not
riding a hybrid, nor are they using upright bars.

Personally, I hated the Brooks I had. I had to try out several saddles
before I found what fit me best. Most good shops will let you bring a
saddle back within a reasonable time, as will many manufacturers.

My caution about a leather saddle is that it takes care. You have to keep
it from too much exposure to wet, and treat it with some sort of goop.
I have seen many old leather saddles all splayed out and clearly
unusable. You have to fuss with adjustments as well. On the other hand,
a plastic saddle, even with a leather cover, basically never needs any
attention. With my current saddle (Terry Fly), all I have done with it
for the past several years (4-5) is just sit on it.

The Terry Fly isn't immune to the elements. Before I got my Brooks
B17N, I had one. I got caught in a torrential downpour, which ruined
the it.

The only maintenance I've done on my B17 is to proofhide it once in a
while, and I had to tighten the bolt once when it started to sag a bit.
I do worry about getting caught in the rain, so I carry a plastic
grocery bag just in case.

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Dan Daniel <[email hidden]> wrote >

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If there is any way to borrow saddles for long test rides, do it!

Because of its great guaranty/return policy, Wallingford Bicycle Parts
is the best place I know to buy a Brooks saddle to try.
http://www.wallbike.com/
Saddle not right for you? Return it within six months.

How do they manage that? Do they have lots of discounted slightly used
saddles for sale?

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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:16:37 -0700, GaryG

garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com said:

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GaryG wrote:
|| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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||| David L. Johnson wrote:
|||||
||||| My caution about a leather saddle is that it takes care.
|||
||| Everything takes some care..
|||
||| You have
||||| to keep it from too much exposure to wet, and treat it with some
||||| sort of goop.
|||
||| It won't get wet if you're riding on it, and you just don't leave
||| it out in the rain - and you can be covers. The treatment only
||| needs to be done a few times a year, and only takes a slight about
||| of time. It won't add substantially to the upkeep of any bike.
||
|| However, it will add substantially to the *weight* of any bike.

Well, my brooks weighs less than the saddle that came with by bike, so
you
might want to remove the word "any" in there.

I stand (or, sit) corrected...I wasn't aware that any bikes came stock
with
saddles heavier than a Brooks.

Was this the saddle that came with your bike
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/real-man.html ?

Quoted message said:

||
|| The B-17's weigh around 540 grams for most models. Compare this to
|| a modern lightweight saddle like the Selle Italia SLR, which weighs
|| 135 grams (and is the most comfortable saddle I've found). That's a
|| weight savings of 405 grams, or 14.29 oz (0.89 lbs).

Sounds like you're interesting in racing gear, which is fine. However,
my
comments were restricted to those of the previous poster.

Except for the occasional time trial, I seldom race. But, I do like to
ride
fast, and I ride where there are mountains, so the added weight of a
Brooks
saddle would be an issue for me.

GG

I highly doubt that. Are you serious? You mean that a few grams -- heck,
let's say a pound is going to cause you to get up some mountain slower?
Please spare me. If you want to go faster, lose a pound of bodyfat. By
the way, I ride hills all the time, and I don't go any faster when I don't
have my camelback with 70-90 ounces of water in it (and a bunch of other
[censored]) than when I do. I feel lighter, but the difference in time is
zero.

--
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:16:37 -0700, GaryG

garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com said:

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

GaryG wrote:
|| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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||| David L. Johnson wrote:
|||||
||||| My caution about a leather saddle is that it takes care.
|||
||| Everything takes some care..
|||
||| You have
||||| to keep it from too much exposure to wet, and treat it with some
||||| sort of goop.
|||
||| It won't get wet if you're riding on it, and you just don't leave
||| it out in the rain - and you can be covers. The treatment only
||| needs to be done a few times a year, and only takes a slight about
||| of time. It won't add substantially to the upkeep of any bike.
||
|| However, it will add substantially to the *weight* of any bike.

Well, my brooks weighs less than the saddle that came with by bike, so
you
might want to remove the word "any" in there.

I stand (or, sit) corrected...I wasn't aware that any bikes came stock
with
saddles heavier than a Brooks.

Was this the saddle that came with your bike
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/real-man.html ?

Quoted message said:

||
|| The B-17's weigh around 540 grams for most models. Compare this to
|| a modern lightweight saddle like the Selle Italia SLR, which weighs
|| 135 grams (and is the most comfortable saddle I've found). That's a
|| weight savings of 405 grams, or 14.29 oz (0.89 lbs).

Sounds like you're interesting in racing gear, which is fine. However,
my
comments were restricted to those of the previous poster.

Except for the occasional time trial, I seldom race. But, I do like to
ride
fast, and I ride where there are mountains, so the added weight of a
Brooks
saddle would be an issue for me.

GG

I highly doubt that. Are you serious? You mean that a few grams -- heck,
let's say a pound is going to cause you to get up some mountain slower?

Well, it's not rocket science, lighter bikes are easier to ride uphill.
Does it make a huge difference? No. Does it make some difference? Yes.

I prefer lighter components, as do many other riders. Otherwise, I'd still
be riding my 35 lb Schwinn Continental.

Quoted message said:

Please spare me. If you want to go faster, lose a pound of bodyfat. By
the way, I ride hills all the time, and I don't go any faster when I don't
have my camelback with 70-90 ounces of water in it (and a bunch of other
[censored]) than when I do. I feel lighter, but the difference in time is
zero.

Well, I have lost 10 lbs since the start of the year, and now weigh what I
did in college (many years ago).

And the pound of weight on the bike of a Bricks saddle probably would have
more of a "feel" impact than a significant time impact. But, "feel" is part
of the experience of cycling too and I feel faster on a light bike.
Besides, those big ole copper rivets are just plain butt ugly :-).

GG

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||| GaryG wrote:
||||| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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|||||| David L. Johnson wrote:
||||||||
|||||||| My caution about a leather saddle is that it takes care.
||||||
|||||| Everything takes some care..
||||||
|||||| You have
|||||||| to keep it from too much exposure to wet, and treat it with
|||||||| some sort of goop.
||||||
|||||| It won't get wet if you're riding on it, and you just don't leave
|||||| it out in the rain - and you can be covers. The treatment only
|||||| needs to be done a few times a year, and only takes a slight
|||||| about
|||||| of time. It won't add substantially to the upkeep of any bike.
|||||
||||| However, it will add substantially to the *weight* of any bike.
|||
||| Well, my brooks weighs less than the saddle that came with by bike,
||| so you might want to remove the word "any" in there.
||
|| I stand (or, sit) corrected...I wasn't aware that any bikes came
|| stock with saddles heavier than a Brooks.
||
|| Was this the saddle that came with your bike
|| http://www.sheldonbrown.com/real-man.html ?

hehe...nope....my saddle is one of the Milano Body Geomgetry deals from
Specialized.

||
|||
|||||
||||| The B-17's weigh around 540 grams for most models. Compare this
||||| to
||||| a modern lightweight saddle like the Selle Italia SLR, which
||||| weighs 135 grams (and is the most comfortable saddle I've found).
||||| That's a weight savings of 405 grams, or 14.29 oz (0.89 lbs).
|||
||| Sounds like you're interesting in racing gear, which is fine.
||| However, my comments were restricted to those of the previous
||| poster.
||
|| Except for the occasional time trial, I seldom race. But, I do like
|| to ride fast, and I ride where there are mountains, so the added
|| weight of a Brooks saddle would be an issue for me.

Hey, I'm not trying to talk you into a Brooks....in fact, I'm not even
promoting them...I was just replying to single point that other poster made
that had more to do with leather saddles than Brooks, imo.

||
|| GG
||
|||||
||||| Bricks may be comfortable...but, they are clearly some of the
||||| heaviest saddles made today. Since the OP is interested in a
||||| comfort saddle for a hybrid bike, this may be a non-issue. But,
||||| for performance oriented cyclists, the weight of those saddles is
||||| an
||||| issue (especially if you ride the mountains).
|||
||| Sure.

garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com said:

The B-17's weigh around 540 grams for most models. Compare this to a
modern lightweight saddle like the Selle Italia SLR, which weighs 135
grams (and is the most comfortable saddle I've found). That's a weight
savings of 405 grams, or 14.29 oz (0.89 lbs).

Bricks may be comfortable...but, they are clearly some of the heaviest
saddles made today. Since the OP is interested in a comfort saddle for a
hybrid bike, this may be a non-issue. But, for performance oriented
cyclists, the weight of those saddles is an issue (especially if you ride
the mountains).

This translates to a weight difference of something like 0.5% for most
people. How much difference do you think this makes when climbing?

--
Benjamin Lewis

"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips
over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come."
--Matt Groening

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Quoted message said:

garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com said:

The B-17's weigh around 540 grams for most models. Compare this to a
modern lightweight saddle like the Selle Italia SLR, which weighs 135
grams (and is the most comfortable saddle I've found). That's a weight
savings of 405 grams, or 14.29 oz (0.89 lbs).

Bricks may be comfortable...but, they are clearly some of the heaviest
saddles made today. Since the OP is interested in a comfort saddle for

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

hybrid bike, this may be a non-issue. But, for performance oriented
cyclists, the weight of those saddles is an issue (especially if you

ride

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the mountains).

This translates to a weight difference of something like 0.5% for most
people. How much difference do you think this makes when climbing?

Not much...but, like many riders, I prefer to ride a lightweight bike. In
terms of overall percentage weight difference, there's only about a 5%
difference between my Trek 5200, and my old 30+ lb Schwinn Continental.
But, riding the lighter bike sure feels a faster (especially when
accelerating, or riding up hill), and more fun.

GG

Quoted message said:

--
Benjamin Lewis

"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips
over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come."
--Matt Groening

garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com said:

Benjamin Lewis said:

garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com said:

The B-17's weigh around 540 grams for most models. Compare this to a
modern lightweight saddle like the Selle Italia SLR, which weighs 135
grams (and is the most comfortable saddle I've found). That's a weight
savings of 405 grams, or 14.29 oz (0.89 lbs).

This translates to a weight difference of something like 0.5% for most
people. How much difference do you think this makes when climbing?

Not much...but, like many riders, I prefer to ride a lightweight bike.
In terms of overall percentage weight difference, there's only about a 5%
difference between my Trek 5200, and my old 30+ lb Schwinn Continental.
But, riding the lighter bike sure feels a faster (especially when
accelerating, or riding up hill), and more fun.

Well, I can certainly see how a 5% difference would be significant for many
people. I'm afraid, however, I can't really see any justification for
calling 0.5% "significant" outside of competition. For a 10 hour ride, a
0.5% difference in speed would let you finish 3 minutes earlier, and a 0.5%
difference in weight would make even less difference than this, even if the
entire ride was uphill.

--
Benjamin Lewis

"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips
over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come."
--Matt Groening

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:22:53 -0400, Bob Wheeler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

As someone has mentioned, leather saddles such as the Brooks B17 and
Professional are for riders of drop bars who do not "sit" on the saddle.
The strong advantage of leather is that it will in time conform to the
rider, whereas other materials either fit or not, usually not. I have
three Brooks saddles that are over 30 years old, that have occasion been
ridden in the rain, and on which I have only now and then dabbed a bit
of Proofide. They fit me well, and have never needed adjustment.

There is some rather complex psychology involved in saddle evaluation.
Humans always compare a new item with a mental ideal, and because of
what the sensory people call the "status quo effect" it requires a lot
to change the ideal. The ideal for new riders is often a seat of some
sort, and any saddle must suffer when compared in that way, and often
the saddle that best conforms to the ideal is heavily padded or has gel
inserts of some sort. Another phenomenon is related to what cognitive
scientists call "attention", and comes into play when a new item is
examined. We tend to look at a new item much more intently than at other
times, and thus to pay attention to things that may be negligible in the
long run. "Accommodation" is also a factor, since humans accommodate
themselves to things, and what might at first seem awkward, becomes easy
with practice. These phenomena and others make the choice of a saddle
difficult.

The suggestion that one borrow a saddle from a LBS for 24 hours, may
seem reasonable, but I doubt that this is long enough. It is not just
the saddle but your adjustment to it that needs to be evaluated, and
this can take quite some time.

the black rose said:

Frank said:

Hi there,

I ride a hybrid, and I think I need to have the saddle replaced for
comfort. I checked Mr. Sheldon Brown's Web site and he recommends
the old-school Brooks leather saddles.

I would like to hear the group's opinions, too. Are the "state-of-
the-art" saddles of today better or worse? Or whether a saddle fits
or not is case-by-case?

I have seen the Brooks B17 often mentioned. Are there other worthy
models that I should try?

Saddles are a [censored] shoot. What works well for one person may act as a
medieval torture device for the next person.

Ask at your local bike shop if they will allow you to test ride saddles.
Many shops will, if they know you, allow you to take a saddle home for
24 hours or so. You can try out different saddles that way -- if you
can, ride at least 10 miles on it, 20 is better if you can.

If that's not an option, try to find a place with a good return policy.

And if neither of those is an option, make an educamacated guess from
the advice offered by the others responding here, and hope for the best.

Good luck!

-km

Howdy,

I will add a thought for the OP...

I have ridden brooks saddles happily for about 40 years.

That said, I think that there is a common mistake that folks make when
they try 'em:

If it fits, it fits right out of the box. After that, it gets better.

If it doesn't fit, you are likely to know it with a three mile ride.

In that sense, buying a Brooks, or other quality leather saddle, is
rather like buying a pair of good leather shoes.

Unfortunately, I have known of many folks who try a Brooks, hate it,
but somehow feel that if they only tough it out for a few years
something wonderful will happen.

It won't.

All the best,

--
Kenneth

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"DRS" <[email hidden]> wrote

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How do they manage that? Do they have lots of discounted slightly used saddles for sale?

No, new stock. I guess he knows he has a good product to sell and
trusts hius customers not to take advantage. He does have the
occasional returned item for sale at a discount--but not much, from
what I've seen. His business philosophy must work for him! --Roy
Zipris

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garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com said:

Benjamin Lewis said:

garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com wrote:

> The B-17's weigh around 540 grams for most models. Compare this to a
> modern lightweight saddle like the Selle Italia SLR, which weighs 135
> grams (and is the most comfortable saddle I've found). That's a

weight

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> savings of 405 grams, or 14.29 oz (0.89 lbs).

This translates to a weight difference of something like 0.5% for most
people. How much difference do you think this makes when climbing?

Not much...but, like many riders, I prefer to ride a lightweight bike.
In terms of overall percentage weight difference, there's only about a

5%

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

difference between my Trek 5200, and my old 30+ lb Schwinn Continental.
But, riding the lighter bike sure feels a faster (especially when
accelerating, or riding up hill), and more fun.

Well, I can certainly see how a 5% difference would be significant for

many

Quoted message said:

people. I'm afraid, however, I can't really see any justification for
calling 0.5% "significant" outside of competition. For a 10 hour ride, a
0.5% difference in speed would let you finish 3 minutes earlier, and a

0.5%

Quoted message said:

difference in weight would make even less difference than this, even if

the

Quoted message said:

entire ride was uphill.

Adding a Brooks B-17 saddle to an 18 lb bike would increase the weight of
the bike by about 5% (18.89 / 18 = 1.049444), and would be noticeable.
Would it slow me down "significantly"? Probably not. But, as I said, I
prefer a light bike. I just don't like the idea of dragging excess baggage
uphill, when there are lightweight, comfortable, reasonably priced
alternatives. I apply the same criteria to wheels, tires, tubes, and other
components.

Of course, YMMV, "different strokes", etc.

GG

Quoted message said:

--
Benjamin Lewis

"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips
over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come."
--Matt Groening

23 Sep 2004 16:55:21 -0700,
<[email hidden]>, [email hidden]

(Roy Zipris) said:

"DRS" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

How do they manage that? Do they have lots of discounted slightly used saddles for sale?

No, new stock. I guess he knows he has a good product to sell and
trusts hius customers not to take advantage. He does have the
occasional returned item for sale at a discount--but not much, from
what I've seen. His business philosophy must work for him!

So it would seem.
The retailer here that has a one-week return policy on saddles just
opened their third outlet.
--
zk

Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:16:59 -0700, <[email hidden]>,

GaryG' garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com said:

Adding a Brooks B-17 saddle to an 18 lb bike would increase the weight of
the bike by about 5% (18.89 / 18 = 1.049444), and would be noticeable.
Would it slow me down "significantly"? Probably not. But, as I said, I
prefer a light bike. I just don't like the idea of dragging excess baggage
uphill, when there are lightweight, comfortable, reasonably priced
alternatives. I apply the same criteria to wheels, tires, tubes, and other
components.

Subtract the weight of the saddle it replaces.
As pointed out previously, you're moving the weight of the rider and
the bike up the hill.
Void your bladder at the bottom if you're counting grams on the way
up.
--
zk

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Quoted message said:

Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:16:59 -0700, <[email hidden]>,

GaryG' garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com said:

Adding a Brooks B-17 saddle to an 18 lb bike would increase the weight

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the bike by about 5% (18.89 / 18 = 1.049444), and would be noticeable.
Would it slow me down "significantly"? Probably not. But, as I said, I
prefer a light bike. I just don't like the idea of dragging excess

baggage

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

uphill, when there are lightweight, comfortable, reasonably priced
alternatives. I apply the same criteria to wheels, tires, tubes, and

other

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

components.

Subtract the weight of the saddle it replaces.

Perhaps I wasn't clear in my example, so here's the clarified version:

Take a bike that weighs 18 lbs, with a Selle Italia SLR saddle installed.
Swap out the Selle Italia SLR saddle for a Brooks B-17. After the swap, the
overall weight of the bike will have increased by 5%.

To some people, this is no big deal. Likewise, for some people heavy
wheelsets, frames, tires, etc. are no big deal. It depends on your weight,
riding style, and cycling goals. Different strokes and all.

I prefer to ride a light bike, and don't choose components that will
increase weight when comfortable, reasonably priced, lightweight
alternatives are readily available.

GG

Quoted message said:

As pointed out previously, you're moving the weight of the rider and
the bike up the hill.
Void your bladder at the bottom if you're counting grams on the way
up.
--
zk

David L. Johnson said:

Personally, I hated the Brooks I had. I had to try out several saddles

Out of curiosity, do you remember what model it is you tried?

Quoted message said:

My caution about a leather saddle is that it takes care. You have to keep
it from too much exposure to wet, and treat it with some sort of goop.

Goop? Beeswax? My, I could think of ickier substances than that.

(I actually think there's something sensual in applying beeswax to a
leather saddle. Call me weird.)

Quoted message said:

unusable. You have to fuss with adjustments as well. On the other hand,

Fuss? How many times does one have to adjust the tension nut throughout
a saddle's lifetime anyway?

(Yeah, that was mildly rhetorical.)

--
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(Frank) said:

Hi there,

I ride a hybrid, and I think I need to have the saddle replaced for
comfort. I checked Mr. Sheldon Brown's Web site and he recommends
the old-school Brooks leather saddles.

I would like to hear the group's opinions, too. Are the "state-of-
the-art" saddles of today better or worse? Or whether a saddle fits
or not is case-by-case?

If you'd buy size 49 Sidi shoes without trying them on because they're
comfortable on my feet, then you should get a B17, because it's
comfortable under my rear.

The converse is also true.

Pat

Email address works as is.

garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com said:

Take a bike that weighs 18 lbs, with a Selle Italia SLR saddle installed.
Swap out the Selle Italia SLR saddle for a Brooks B-17. After the swap,
the overall weight of the bike will have increased by 5%.

It's not the weight of the bike that matters, it's the weight of the
bike+rider. This will change by much less than 5%.

--
Benjamin Lewis

"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips
over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come."
--Matt Groening

Benjamin Lewis said:

This translates to a weight difference of something like 0.5% for most
people. How much difference do you think this makes when climbing?

About 0.5 %, obviously, if the hill is reasonably steep. This has been
discussed probably dozens of times in this newsgroup, and like before,
people still decide for themselves how significant 0.5 % is (and how
much it is worth).

-as

Antti Salonen said:

Benjamin Lewis said:

This translates to a weight difference of something like 0.5% for most
people. How much difference do you think this makes when climbing?

About 0.5 %, obviously, if the hill is reasonably steep.

Sure, if by "reasonably steep" you mean "vertical" 🙂.

--
Benjamin Lewis

"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips
over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come."
--Matt Groening

GaryG said:

"Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:16:59 -0700, <[email hidden]>,

GaryG' garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com said:

Adding a Brooks B-17 saddle to an 18 lb bike would increase the weight

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the bike by about 5% (18.89 / 18 = 1.049444), and would be noticeable.
Would it slow me down "significantly"? Probably not. But, as I said, I
prefer a light bike. I just don't like the idea of dragging excess

baggage

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

uphill, when there are lightweight, comfortable, reasonably priced
alternatives. I apply the same criteria to wheels, tires, tubes, and

other

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

components.

Subtract the weight of the saddle it replaces.

Perhaps I wasn't clear in my example, so here's the clarified version:

Take a bike that weighs 18 lbs, with a Selle Italia SLR saddle installed.
Swap out the Selle Italia SLR saddle for a Brooks B-17. After the swap, the
overall weight of the bike will have increased by 5%.

To some people, this is no big deal. Likewise, for some people heavy
wheelsets, frames, tires, etc. are no big deal. It depends on your weight,
riding style, and cycling goals. Different strokes and all.

I prefer to ride a light bike, and don't choose components that will
increase weight when comfortable, reasonably priced, lightweight
alternatives are readily available.

GG

No, Gary, you were very clear the first, second, third, etc. times.
However, you're missing Zoot's point. If adding a Brooks saddle to
your bike increases the weight you propel by 5% (including bike,
saddle, and rider), then you are indeed a lightweight.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As pointed out previously, you're moving the weight of the rider and
the bike up the hill.
Void your bladder at the bottom if you're counting grams on the way
up.
--
zk

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