Losertown USA said:Doug Freyburger said:"Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:What's with this drinking oil?
Quoted message said:It's a way to bring up total calories, and it's a way to increase the
fat to protein ratio. It's also self-limiting the time I tried it -
Within a couple of days I could no longer gag the stuff down.
I tried it as "your body, your science experiment". I was not much
surprised when it triggered the gag reflex, but people kept saying
they tend to binge on fatty foods and I wanted to check for myself
how much those claims had to do with the carbs and/or protein
the fat is mixed with. In my case the more carbs mixed with the
fat (cookies) the more I will continue to over eat, but the more
protein mixed with the fat (steak) the less drive to over eat.
Purity of the fat matters so butter on triggers gag for me. I've
read for who will chug heavy cream but I haven't tried that level
of fat on myself.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:I see it as a common mistake folks make early in the plan. The
appetite drops, the newness of that impresses, and over-reaction
is done. As long as folks are nudged back towards eating real
food like veggies and meat, it should be temporary.
My rule is generally that when I'm not hungry, I don't eat.
Your body, your science experiment. Treating food as a hunger
prevention mechanism means paying attention to portions and
gradually reducing to see if hunger is trigger - More work. IMO
waiting to get hungry before eating very gradually erodes my
motivation - Less work but a worse long term strategy. Especially
with the appetite suppression of ketonuria it's easy to drop into
starvation by wating until hunger arrives.
Quoted message said:I've been
on a course of steroids and antidperessants, and I know that insulin
resistance has grown horns, a tail and rented a condo in my body at
this point. When my IR is low, I can eat 2000 and maintain my weight
way way under 200 pounds. When it's high, I have to go under 1500 at
least,
Since you know your calorie target, I suggest it's better to work to
the target than to use appetite to drive your food.
Quoted message said:and I tend to push the fat content up rather than add veggies
or protein.
Both fat and protein increase glucagon so both drive fat
out of storage. It's ambiguous which is better at it and there
is disagreement on ASDLC on the topic. I'm in the fat
school and I have used lower-protein/higher-fat to bust stalls.
Quoted message said:Protein also spikes insulin to a lesser degree, Non starchy vegetables
do the same.
That's extreme insulin resistance. Since IR varies by person,
shooting
for an average because it's an average is not the way to go once
you've
learned the ways you aren't average ...
