Natural 'cures' can be killers (contd)

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Subject: Natural 'cures' can be killers (contd)
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 9/3/2003 1:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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When subjected to the same level of suspicion and scrutiny as
pharmaceuticals, as they commonly are these days, it is becoming
increasingly apparent that herbs and supplements carry a similar

order of

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risk of side effects and adverse reactions.. The mythology of

harmlessness

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behind supposedly "natural" products must be wearing thin even for

the

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diehards.

There are two different kinds of alternative supplements - herbs and
nutritional supplements. It is interesting that conventional medicine
is saying how unsafe alternative remedies can be, yet the 4th leading
cause of death in US is properly prescribed and taken pharmaceutical
drugs.

I did not say they were unsafe. I was indicating that they are by no
means as safe as has always been claimed by those selling "safe natural
products".

Safety is a relative issue anyway, and actually higher standards of safety
should be required of herbal preparation or nutraceuticals, for the
following good reasons.

They are sold over the counter to anyone of any intelligence, and often to
persons who are persuaded that they are totally safe, take them in huge
doses and unwisely give them to their children.

They have never been shown to have useful effects on serious medical
conditions or serious symptoms,

You don't have the slightest idea of what you are saying. You need to hang out
at an office of an alternative practitioner.

They worked to rid my body of mercury.

I have seen people who have been to Mayos and the gamet of MD's. I have seen
these people at my CRA's office and they are getting results.

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They are used mostly for minor symptoms.

Wrong.

Once again, you know nothing about how alternative ACTUALLY works, you are just
repeating what organized medicine puts forth.

Get some REAL experience.

Jan

I don't give a damn if Peter lied to you, this newsgroup, his mother, or

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the pope. Rich Shewmaker

"Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...> Peter Moran wrote
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When subjected to the same level of suspicion and scrutiny as
pharmaceuticals, as they commonly are these days, it is becoming
increasingly apparent that herbs and supplements carry a similar

order of

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risk of side effects and adverse reactions.. The mythology of

harmlessness

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behind supposedly "natural" products

Where do you get this BS from?
must be wearing thin even for

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the

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diehards.

There are two different kinds of alternative supplements - herbs and
nutritional supplements. It is interesting that conventional medicine
is saying how unsafe alternative remedies can be, yet the 4th leading
cause of death in US is properly prescribed and taken pharmaceutical
drugs.

I did not say they were unsafe. I was indicating that they are by no
means as safe as has always been claimed by those selling "safe natural
products".

Funny, I have used "natural" for about 20 years now, and I do not recall
being told that anything was safe simply because it was "natural". Where do
you get these ideas?

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Safety is a relative issue anyway, and actually higher standards of safety
should be required of herbal preparation or nutraceuticals, for the
following good reasons.

They are sold over the counter to anyone of any intelligence, and often to
persons who are persuaded

How are they "persuaded"

that they are totally safe,
Please give us three or four examples of this happening.

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take them in huge
doses

Some people do not take direction well.

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and unwisely give them to their children.

My! are we the all knowing, be all end all?

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They have never been shown to have useful effects on serious medical
conditions or serious symptoms,

This one is too dumbass to answer.

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which is the reason for the tolerance of
side effects in many medications.

Um, you want to clarify this????????

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They are used mostly for minor symptoms or taken long term with vague

??????????? you are kidding , right?

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unproven expectations of better health, wherein a very low side effect
profile is desirable.

Danm! I thought a "very low side effect profile was always "desirable".

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They are also often used alongside pharmaceuticals without doctors

knowing.
I guess it would be too hard for such "doctors" to ask. Wouldn't help
though as most do not have ANY idea of what herb does what. Ah! perhaps
THATS why you are upset, fear of not being smart enough to balance all that.

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Many commonly used herbs and vitamins can interfere with or aggravate the
actions of pharmaceuticals

No [censored]. And vice-versa.
(showing how drug-like they really are).

I suppose that you never considered it would show how herb-like your drugs
are.

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Peter Moran