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NASCAR and nitrogen-filled tires

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  1. Some fast women librarians produced a copy in record time of "The
    Physics of NASCAR," 2008, by Diandra Leslie-Pelecky, your typical
    female pickup-truck-driving professor of physics at U. of Texas at
    Dallas (she researches bio-medical nanomaterials during the
    off-season).

    While getting NASCAR team mechanics and engineers to talk to her and
    taking a few spins around the track herself, Dr. L-P got some details
    about tire pressure and nitrogen, what I should do to avoid disastrous
    goathead blow-outs, and how to tow cars into crash-test barriers at
    150 mph.

    None of it applies to bicycle tires.

    ***

    What kind of tire pressures do they run in NASCAR?

    Anywhere from 10 to 45 psi, with each tire different at different
    tracks:

    "At Atlanta, Goodyear's minimum recommended tire pressures were 22 psi
    (left front), 20 psi (left rear), 48 psi (right front) and 45 psi
    (right rear). At Martinsville, which is a much shorter track with less
    banking and lower speeds, the minimum pressures would be 10 psi (left
    front and left rear), 23 psi (right front) and 22 psi (right rear).
    The right-side tires carry much more of the weight during cornering,
    which is why they are inflated to higher pressures."

    --p.156

    ***

    How hot do NASCAR tires get and how much does the pressure rise?

    Up to 300F and at least 7 to 20 psi:

    " . . .tires reach temperatures of about 160°F on the expressway, but
    the tires on the No. 19 [car] can reach temperatures of up to 300°F
    during a race. After two laps here at Atlanta, Swifty [the team's tire
    specialist] said, the right-side tire pressures will increase by about
    11 to 12 psi and the left-side pressures by 7 to 8 psi. After a long
    run, the left-side pressures can increase by 10 psi and the right-side
    pressures by 20 psi. One of the most important things Swifty will do
    during the upcoming practice is measure tire pressures after the tires
    are removed from the car to find out how much of a 'build' they
    experience. Starting at a lower tire pressure means that the pressure
    will be just right after the tire heats up."
    --p. 157

    ***

    How fussy are NASCR teams about pressure?

    Awfully fussy:

    "'Swifty, I want a half-pound out of the right rear,' Josh [tream
    director] said, then repeated, 'Half-pound. Right rear.'"
    --p. 248

    ***

    Now it's time for the nitrogen.

    Here's what Dr. L-P gathered while watching tire prep:

    "I've been saying 'tire pressure' instead of 'air pressure' because
    after recording the tire information, Swifty removes the valve stem
    from each tire and lets out all the air the Goodyear technicians put
    into them. He then refills each tire with ultra-high-purity dry
    nitrogen from a gas cylinder."

    "Air is 78 percent nitrogen, 21 percent oxygen, and 0.9 percent argon.
    The remaining 0.1 percent is a mixture of other gases. Air is mostly
    nitrogen already, so why bother with the 22 percent of air that's not
    nitrogen? The problem isn't the oxygen--it's water vapor that is often
    mixed in with the air. The pressure exerted by water molecules in the
    tire can change significantly near water's boiling temperature of
    212°F (lOO°C). Small temperature changes in that region can produce
    large pressure changes. Races are sometimes won and lost by
    thousandths of seconds, so a team can't overlook any possible
    advantage."

    "All the above arguments tell us, however, is that whatever gas you
    use in your tires should be as free of water vapor as possible. So why
    not just use dry air? Dry air usually is produced by passing regular
    air through a compressor and a dryer, which removes some--but not
    all--of the moisture. You could purchase dry air; however, you can get
    dry nitrogen with a third less water than dry air for the same or
    slightly less cost. NASCAR doesn't mandate what gas to use in the
    tires, but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone using air on pit
    road."

    "That doesn't mean that everyone uses nitrogen, although the
    alternatives are slim. Only ten of the naturally occurring ninety-two
    elements in the periodic table are gases at room temperature. We can
    eliminate gases that are flammable (hydrogen), poisonous (chlorine),
    or radioactive (radon). The most promising of the remaining gases is
    argon. You can buy argon with about one-quarter of the water vapor in
    nitrogen, but it's about twice the price. Swifty told me that some
    teams use argon or an argon/nitrogen mix, but that most don't find
    enough of a performance difference to bother with the extra tanks."

    --p. 157-158

    ***

    What protects NASCAR racers from catastrophic blowouts when they run
    over goatheads at high speed?

    Two air chambers:

    "Regardless of the type of gas in the tire, a blowout can be a
    race-ending or potentially more serious event. It's bad enough to lose
    a tire doing 65 mph on the highway. Imagine what it's like to have a
    flat at 175 mph with other cars just a few inches away."

    ". . . . The best compromise is a pneumatic tire that goes flat in a
    way that allows the driver to retain some control over the car.
    Watching Swifty make last-minute adjustments as we got closer to
    practice time, I noticed that he had to unscrew two caps for each
    tire. Each tire is actually two independent tires: an outer tire,
    and an inner liner that is pressurized from 12 to 25 psi higher than
    the outer tire. If the outer tire loses pressure due to a puncture,
    the inner liner remains pressurized, almost always allowing
    the driver to get the car to the pits safely. While these tires still
    go 'flat,' they make a flat tire a manageable event instead of a
    race-ending catastrophe."

    "NASCAR requires the inner liner at all tracks longer than a mile, as
    well as on the right-side tires at Bristol, due to the high banking
    that places a lot of stress on the right-side tires."

    --p. 159

    ***

    Completely unrelated to tire pressure and nitrogen . . .

    How do you crash-test economically at 150 mph? That is, how do you get
    cars up to that speed and hit a barrier at a 25 degree angle?

    Turbo-charged or nitrous-oxide tow-trucks, cables, and pulleys:

    "'I actually didn't realize how interesting making a car go fast could
    become,' Dean smiled. 'Because of the expense of IRL [Indy Racing
    League] cars, they made us prove that we could make a car go fast, so
    we were testing with a Ford Festiva.' The Festiva was the designated
    stand-in for an Indy car only because it was about the same weight."

    "'Have you ever seen a Ford Festiva go 110 miles per hour?' Dean
    laughed. 'Their suspensions are really not built to handle that type
    of speed.' Dean laughed even more as he recalled their first test with
    a real IRL car, which took place in front of the IRL brass. They used
    a heavy-duty truck to get the car up to speed via an arrangement of
    pulleys and a steel tow rope."

    "'We get the car up to 90 miles per hour and there was so much drag in
    the Festiva that when the tow truck would shift gears, the Festiva
    would keep the tow cable taut.' He used his hands to represent the tow
    truck and the race car. 'A race car rolls better, so it gets to
    ninety, our tow truck shifts, and the race car catches up some with
    the tow cable and the tow cable drops off. We're at the point of no
    return, we can't brake the car, and we're coasting. It rolled into the
    wall at about eighty-five.'

    "MwRSF [Midwest Roadside Safety Facility] now uses two tow trucks, one
    turbocharged and one with nitrous oxide, and a much different tow
    ratio--and they don't shift anymore. The ultimate goal had been 175
    mph, but Dean says, 'We towed an Indy car into a barrier at 150 miles
    per hour and 25 degrees. IRL said that was enough.'"

    --p. 205

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  2. Carl thanks for sharing this. It's a very accurate and informative
    piece for those willing to learn.

    Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

  3. Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
    [email hidden] <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré
    :

    Quoted message said:


    None of it applies to bicycle tires.

    Then please kindly mark your stupid submissions as OT. Or did you think
    that just the author listing would inform?
    --
    Sandy
    -
    "Our knowledge is a little island in a great ocean of non-knowledge."
    - Edward O. Wilson

  4. Sandy said:

    Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
    [email hidden] <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a
    déclaré

    Quoted message said:

    None of it applies to bicycle tires.

    Then please kindly mark your stupid submissions as OT. Or did you
    think that just the author listing would inform?

    Something from Jobst?

  5. Sandy said:

    Then please kindly mark your stupid submissions as OT. Or did you think
    that just the author listing would inform?
    --
    Sandy

    Obviously he bothers you in a serious way as you jumped on him like
    Rush Limbaugh on (any) proposal that ever came from Bill Clinton.

    Why don't you just killfile him? Then you don't have to read his posts
    and we don't have to read your acidic comments.

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