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  1. On New Years' Eve my boyfriend and I spent most of the day cleaning up his house in anticipation of
    an early January "Marian is visiting the US" party. Eventually we amassed enough stuff to
    necessitate a visit to the nearby dump.

    Except it isn't really a dump. I'm not sure what it is. It is a place where you drop off trash and
    recyclables that are later moved to other places, including actual dumps.

    On our way past recyclables I noticed a very large collection of bicycles, a few dozen were visible
    when we drove by. When we stopped we discovered that there were at least a hundred or more hiding in
    stacks behind the computer drop off. He mentioned that the last time he was by here bicycles went to
    the scrap metal pile instead of having a seperate drop off.

    You really aren't supposed to take things home with you when you go. But, if you are quick about it
    the employees will look the other way. There are two obvious reasons for this. Firstly, for many of
    the recyclabels there are companies that have contracts for those things. Secondly, you might get
    hurt. There may also be other reasons.

    (I know about the rules because my boyfriend has run afoul of them in the past when he's been caught
    sifting through the computer pile or checking out the batteries.)

    We stood around at the bikes for a few minutes until someone came over and asked us if we needed
    help. "Umm, would it be okay if we take one of these." "Yes, but I don't see you" he says "and be
    quick so others also don't see you."

    The first mystery bike is a Japanese made women's bike. All white with no fancy paint of any kind.
    The drop bars have white tape. I'm assuming 80s or 90s judging by the condition of the tires which
    look like they sat uninflated for years.

    On the front (where the fork attaches) there is a blue and red oval decal with black letters reading
    vertically H.J.Sports. The outer edge of the letters, the oval, and the line seperating red and blue
    are all silver colored.

    Moving to the back of the bike, where the seatpost attaches, we again get a sticker that says "HJ
    Sports" accompanied by "Made in Japan." This sticker has stripes at the top and bottom in a thick
    blue, thin gold, medium white, thin gold, very thin black, thick red pattern.

    There is a circle, almost like a yinyang on the sticker. This circle is blue on the top, red on the
    bottom, white in the middle, with a black letter H in the center.

    Farther down, between the two bars is a small gold sticker with black type saying Made in Japan.

    I'm not sure how to describe the shifters. They're a normal kind I just don't know how to describe
    them. Not mounted on the handlebars. Shimano.

    The brakes handles have signs of "a sticker was removed" scum and the word "cherry" etched into the
    metal. No other identifying marks.

    Front hub has SIW Made in Japan etched into the metal.

    The only marks on the front rim are "araya 27x1 1/4 w/0 HP."

    Front and back round reflectors are CatEye. The reflectors on the pedals and wheels are also CatEye.

    The front gear cluster has two gears. The rear gear cluster has five. I don't see names or
    identifying marks on the gears.

    Front derailleur is Shimano "Thunder Bird". Rear derailleur is a Shimano "Eagle".

    I've found "Shimano" written twice more on the metal thingywhatses that hold the shifting cables
    snug against the bike.

    Instead of being butt-welded the bike is tube and socket construction. The front fork is especially
    fancy with the sockets being all wavy. And one of the two washers is machined to look pretty for no
    obvious reason other than pretty.

    No visible names on the brakes but the brake pads are, again, Japan. I can't quite make out if it is
    Cherry, Gherry, or Sherry. Since the brake handles are fairly clearly Cherry I'm guessing it is a C.

    Rear tire is "The Special IRC Tyre" made of "Nylon."

    Front tire is badly flaking from old age but appears to be the same.

    If not for a few tiny scrapes I'd be inclined to say that this bicycle had never been ridden. As is,
    I admit to being rather baffled at having found it at the dump. It's a road bike and it looks like
    it was once expensive, once well cared for, and once abandoned in the garage for years at a stretch.

    The other bike is less mysterious. I've actually got a vague recollection of having heard of some of
    these names before. It practically leapt out at me from the pile. The Japanese bike was second from
    the top and required very little effort to get. This one was 7 or 8 bicycles deep and getting it
    risked being noticed and told off because you really really really _really_ are NOT supposed to be
    going through the piles of trash and recyclables to take things home with you.

    One of the ways that you can tell that this bike was well used (other than age) is the way that it
    has totally different front and rear tires. The rear tire is much nicer than the front tire.

    As a hunter of neat things (usually at shops rather than dumps) I am almost ashamed to say that it
    was the dusky dusty metallic blue of the paint job that caught my eye. Something about that color
    that says "I'm not trying to be flashy because I am not supposed to be flashy." Because the paint,
    pretty as it is, is not original. Whoever did this did a pretty good job (not great) and in the
    process has obscured any stickers or decals. There is an obvious front decal made of metal that is
    now the same pretty metallic blue as the rest of the bike.

    Front rim has the words "Made in England" badly stamped into the metal. It actually reads "5 x
    13/8 Dunlop 26 x 13/[spoke] EA3 MADE IN E#GLA##" Judging by rust speckles I assume the rims are
    chromed steel.

    Not that it matters with this bike the way it might have mattered with the mysterious Japanese
    bike but the front and rear wheel reflectors are Cat Eye. The reflectors attached to the brakes
    are SATE-LITE.

    Moving on to the pedals I see "Made in England" followed by "PhillipS" and what appears to be a
    serial number - Ao No 848363.

    The pedals also have Patent Number 634981.

    The kickstand is an impressive number that looks like it could even take on deep mud and win. It is
    "Shuresta."

    Front hub has "Phillips, Made in England" underneath a layer of grime. I remembered to look at the
    front hub because the rear hub is "Sturmey Archer," "England," "AW," "53," "3," and "Three Speed."

    Nothing terribly interesting to my uneducated eyes on the handlebars. The grips are glittery and
    made by DORCY. The brake handles are missing almost all of their chrome.

    The front gear is gorgeous with metal cutouts saying PHILLIPS.

    Like the Japanese mystery bike it is also tube and socket construction instead of being butt welded.

    The frame has hooks for carrying a tire pump but there is no pump.

    So, what do I have? And did I do a good job by breaking the rules and snarfing these from the dump?

    And, if I did a really good job in snarfing, which one should go back to China with me and which one
    should stay at home (in the storage room)?

    -M

  2. "Marian Rosenberg" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    So, what do I have? And did I do a good job by breaking the rules and snarfing these from
    the dump?

    Yes

    Quoted message said:

    And, if I did a really good job in snarfing, which one should go back to China with me and which
    one should stay at home (in the storage room)?

    Mix n match if you have time. The best frame with the best components. Or the best frame and *all*
    the components.

    Pete

  3. "Marian Rosenberg" <[email hidden]> wrote <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Front rim has the words "Made in England" badly stamped into the metal. It actually reads "5 x
    13/8 Dunlop 26 x 13/[spoke] EA3 MADE IN E#GLA##" Judging by rust speckles I assume the rims are
    chromed steel.

    Not that it matters with this bike the way it might have mattered with the mysterious Japanese
    bike but the front and rear wheel reflectors are Cat Eye. The reflectors attached to the brakes
    are SATE-LITE.

    Moving on to the pedals I see "Made in England" followed by "PhillipS" and what appears to be a
    serial number - Ao No 848363.

    The pedals also have Patent Number 634981.

    The kickstand is an impressive number that looks like it could even take on deep mud and win. It
    is "Shuresta."

    Front hub has "Phillips, Made in England" underneath a layer of grime. I remembered to look at the
    front hub because the rear hub is "Sturmey Archer," "England," "AW," "53," "3," and "Three Speed."

    Does it look a bit like this: yellowjersey.orgchamp.html

    If I understand it right, the hub was made in 1953.

    If you do a google search for Phillips Bicycle a lot of stuff will come up.

    Don't know a whole lot about these bikes, but I'm sure some others will chime in.

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    So, what do I have? And did I do a good job by breaking the rules and snarfing these from
    the dump?

    Isn't thee a joke about that ... if you go to the dump, and come back with stuff, you just might be
    a redneck (c:

    Sounds like you did all right to me. They just destroy these bikes for scrap?!? It's a shame, there
    are many organizations which would recycle these bikes back to people who could use them, those old
    steel framed, fendered 3 speed bikes are excellent commuter bikes.

    C.Q.C.

  4. "Q." <LostVideos-AT-hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Marian Rosenberg" <[email hidden]> wrote <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Front rim has the words "Made in England" badly stamped into the metal. It actually reads "5 x
    13/8 Dunlop 26 x 13/[spoke] EA3 MADE IN E#GLA##" Judging by rust speckles I assume the rims are
    chromed steel.

    Not that it matters with this bike the way it might have mattered with the mysterious Japanese
    bike but the front and rear wheel reflectors are Cat Eye. The reflectors attached to the brakes
    are SATE-LITE.

    Moving on to the pedals I see "Made in England" followed by "PhillipS" and what appears to be a
    serial number - Ao No 848363.

    The pedals also have Patent Number 634981.

    The kickstand is an impressive number that looks like it could even take on deep mud and win. It
    is "Shuresta."

    Front hub has "Phillips, Made in England" underneath a layer of grime. I remembered to look at
    the front hub because the rear hub is "Sturmey Archer," "England," "AW," "53," "3," and "Three
    Speed."

    Does it look a bit like this: yellowjersey.orgchamp.html

    Yes. It is a little hard to tell since the chain guard on that picture is hiding most of the fancy
    metal work.

    Quoted message said:

    If I understand it right, the hub was made in 1953.

    Cool.

    Quoted message said:

    If you do a google search for Phillips Bicycle a lot of stuff will come up.

    Don't know a whole lot about these bikes, but I'm sure some others will chime in.

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    So, what do I have? And did I do a good job by breaking the rules and snarfing these from
    the dump?

    Isn't thee a joke about that ... if you go to the dump, and come back with stuff, you just might
    be a redneck (c:

    Quite possibly so...

    He's even got a dead car in front of his house. It happens to be a vintage porsche but it _is_ (at
    least currently) a dead car.

    Quoted message said:

    Sounds like you did all right to me. They just destroy these bikes for scrap?!? It's a shame,
    there are many organizations which would recycle these bikes back to people who could use them,
    those old steel framed, fendered 3 speed bikes are excellent commuter bikes.

    Well I'm not quite sure what they do with these bikes. At some point in the past my boyfriend
    brought stuff that counted as scrap metal and there were bicycles in the scrap metal pile. This time
    round they were very obviously sorted out and had their own drop off point. There was also some
    semblance of order to the stacking.

    -M

  5. On 6 Jan 2004 20:14:39 -0800, [email hidden]

    (Marian Rosenberg) said:

    Except it isn't really a dump. I'm not sure what it is. It is a place where you drop off trash and
    recyclables that are later moved to other places, including actual dumps.

    It's a "transfer station".

    Quoted message said:

    So, what do I have? And did I do a good job by breaking the rules and snarfing these from the dump?

    You've got a/some older bike[s], and you did a great job. I hate to think of a bike being destroyed
    as garbage.

    Quoted message said:

    And, if I did a really good job in snarfing, which one should go back to China with me and which
    one should stay at home (in the storage room)?



    Why are you asking us? Fix 'em enough to ride, and see which one you like better. Maybe parts
    availability could be an issue, I don't know, I've never been to China, but consider it; probably
    take whichever is more standards-compliant.

    Quoted message said:

    -M


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