Murderous "helpers"

Isn't it a wonderful ploy when someone says, "please post
evidence", "where is the proof?", etc.?

How about this: Why doesn't mdd post evidence that
homeopathy cures anything but neuroses.

;-) Fawks

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If I would have been blessed with homeopathic parents, I
would have died of a ruptured appendix when I was 17 and
we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Fawks

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Please post where it says that Homeopathic Medicine is the
cure-all for EVERY situation.

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Isn't it a wonderful ploy when someone says, "please post
evidence", "where is the proof?", etc.?

How about this: Why doesn't mdd post evidence that
homeopathy cures anything but neuroses.

;-) Fawks

It is that old placebo effect at work. Ya gotta believe or
it stops working.

T

I read a study of a homeopathic depression medication that
the person took home and put on the shelf. They did not take
any of it, but, their depression was cured.

Very powerful stuff.

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Isn't it a wonderful ploy when someone says, "please post
evidence", "where is the proof?", etc.?

How about this: Why doesn't mdd post evidence that
homeopathy cures anything but neuroses.

;-) Fawks

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If I would have been blessed with homeopathic parents, I
would have died of a ruptured appendix when I was 17 and
we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Fawks

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Please post where it says that Homeopathic Medicine is
the cure-all for EVERY situation.

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I read a study of a homeopathic depression medication that
the person took home and put on the shelf. They did not
take any of it, but, their depression was cured.

Very powerful stuff.

Post the study, and where it was published. If you cannot or
do not, then you are once again lie. Nothing new, but just a
note as to your quality. Or do you think yourself funny and
a wit? To lie is not funny.

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I read a study of a homeopathic depression medication
that the person

took

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home and put on the shelf. They did not take any of it,
but, their depression was cured.

Very powerful stuff.

Post the study, and where it was published. If you cannot
or do not, then you are once again lie. Nothing new, but
just a note as to your quality.

Or

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do you think yourself funny and a wit? To lie is not
funny.

It is not a lie. I based my account on my recollection.

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I read a study of a homeopathic depression medication
that the person

took

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home and put on the shelf. They did not take any of
it, but, their depression was cured.

Very powerful stuff.

Post the study, and where it was published. If you
cannot or do not,

then

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you are once again lie. Nothing new, but just a note as
to your quality.

Or

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do you think yourself funny and a wit? To lie is not
funny.

It is not a lie. I based my account on my recollection.

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> I read a study of a homeopathic depression
> medication that the

person

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took

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> home and put on the shelf. They did not take any of
> it, but, their depression was cured.
>
> Very powerful stuff.
>
Post the study, and where it was published. If you
cannot or do not,

then

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you are once again lie. Nothing new, but just a note
as to your

quality.

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Or

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do you think yourself funny and a wit? To lie is not
funny.

It is not a lie. I based my account on my recollection.

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And you BELIEVE it? Ah well.

The source is impeccable.

Things I was pondering with :- Do you accept that
acetamorphin works for pain relief in arthritis? (Homeopathy
in a significant double blind trial was shown to be no
better than placebo - that placebo in question was
acetaminophen) I'd be inclined to say that the acetaminophen
probably has no effect and the studies showing positive
effects are hogwash, this would invalidate homeopathy
also.... So what do ya do? Anth

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person

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> > home and put on the shelf. They did not take any of
> > it, but, their depression was cured.
> >
> > Very powerful stuff.
> >
> Post the study, and where it was published. If you
> cannot or do not,

then

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> you are once again lie. Nothing new, but just a note
> as to your

quality.

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Or
> do you think yourself funny and a wit? To lie is not
> funny.

It is not a lie. I based my account on my recollection.

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And you BELIEVE it? Ah well.

The source is impeccable.

Steven Fawks said:

If I would have been blessed with homeopathic parents, I
would have died of a ruptured appendix when I was 17 and we
wouldn't be having this conversation.

Fawks

True, most parents are heteropathic, however, around here
that's changing.

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Considering that one-third to one-half of the people that
go to the physicians office are not really ill, and even
some of the sick patients could easily recover on their
own with a little rest and time, homeopathy could easily
work about half of the time. Not that far off of
'traditional medicine', but when you look at the patients
who are seriously ill, instead of 'think their sick', the
percentages change dramatically.

Fawks

Please post evidence .

mdd said:

Please post where it says that Homeopathic Medicine is the
cure-all for EVERY situation.

Read Hahnemann !

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I read a study of a homeopathic depression medication
that the person took home and put on the shelf. They did
not take any of it, but, their depression was cured.

Very powerful stuff.

Post the study, and where it was published. If you cannot
or do not, then you are once again lie. Nothing new, but
just a note as to your quality. Or do you think yourself
funny and a wit? To lie is not funny.

Even better : In Germany some high-intelligent homeopaths
(for homeopaths, of course) found vacuum to be a medicament,
and "proof"ed
it...

Of the same intellectual degree : Testers put their
medicaments under their pillows - and found that their feet
became warmer... Please take note, that the medicament had
to be taken orally...

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It wasn't a dark and stormy night when M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 25,

2004 said:

They should use an empty capsule.

What, one without gelatin so as not to contaminate the study
by introducing mad cow disease? 😉

Vashti

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Things I was pondering with :- Do you accept that
acetamorphin works for pain relief in arthritis?
(Homeopathy in a significant double blind trial was
shown to be no

better

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than placebo - that placebo in question was
acetaminophen)

The it was not a real placebo, and, therefore, the study
results are useless.

Quoted message said:

I'd be inclined to say that the acetaminophen probably
has no effect and

the

Quoted message said:

studies showing positive effects are hogwash, this would
invalidate homeopathy also.... So what do ya do?

They should redo it with a real placebo.

And what exactly would be a "real" placebo, remembering how
homeopathy works? .

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The source is impeccable.

Hahahahahaha

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> Things I was pondering with :- Do you accept that
> acetamorphin works for pain relief in arthritis?
> (Homeopathy in a significant double blind trial was
> shown to be no

better

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> than placebo - that placebo in question was
> acetaminophen)

The it was not a real placebo, and, therefore, the
study results are useless.

> I'd be inclined to say that the acetaminophen
> probably has no effect

and

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the
> studies showing positive effects are hogwash, this
> would invalidate homeopathy also.... So what do ya
> do?

They should redo it with a real placebo.

And what exactly would be a "real" placebo, remembering
how homeopathy works?

They should use an empty capsule. And, of course,
homeopathy works via the placebo effect.

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> >
> > The source is impeccable.

Hahahahahaha

More impeccable than any you ever posted.

Pec pec pecidy pec

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They should use an empty capsule. And, of course,
homeopathy works via the placebo effect.

I don't understand your reasoning behind this - they were
comparing an active placebo to a homeopathic remedy. The
effect would be expected to be higher in the placebo group
due to the fact it is higher. Anth

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Things I was pondering with :- Do you accept that
acetamorphin works for pain relief in arthritis?
(Homeopathy in a significant double blind trial was shown
to be no better than placebo - that placebo in question
was acetaminophen)

The it was not a real placebo, and, therefore, the study
results are useless.

Quoted message said:

I'd be inclined to say that the acetaminophen probably has
no effect and

the

Quoted message said:

studies showing positive effects are hogwash, this would
invalidate homeopathy also.... So what do ya do?

They should redo it with a real placebo.

Quoted message said:

Anth

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> > > medication that the

person

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> took
> > > home and put on the shelf. They did not take any
> > > of it, but,

their

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> > > depression was cured.
> > >
> > > Very powerful stuff.
> > >
> > Post the study, and where it was published. If you
> > cannot or do

not,

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> > you are once again lie. Nothing new, but just a
> > note as to your

quality.

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> Or
> > do you think yourself funny and a wit? To lie is
> > not funny.
>
> It is not a lie. I based my account on my
> recollection.
>
>

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Things I was pondering with :- Do you accept that
acetamorphin works for pain relief in arthritis?
(Homeopathy in a significant double blind trial was
shown to be no

better

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

than placebo - that placebo in question was
acetaminophen)

The it was not a real placebo, and, therefore, the study
results are useless.

Quoted message said:

I'd be inclined to say that the acetaminophen probably
has no effect

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the

Quoted message said:

studies showing positive effects are hogwash, this
would invalidate homeopathy also.... So what do ya do?

They should redo it with a real placebo.

And what exactly would be a "real" placebo, remembering
how homeopathy works?

They should use an empty capsule. And, of course, homeopathy
works via the placebo effect.

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>
> The source is impeccable.

Hahahahahaha

More impeccable than any you ever posted.

Rephrase that :-

I don't understand your reasoning behind this - they were
comparing a 'active placebo' to a homeopathic remedy. The
therapeutic effect would be expected to be higher in the
placebo group due to the fact it is proven to work for OA.
They were basically comparing a proven drug to an unproven
homepathic remedy. Anth

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Rephrase that :-

I don't understand your reasoning behind this - they were
comparing a 'active placebo' to a homeopathic remedy.

Active placebo is an oxymoron.

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The therapeutic effect would be expected to be higher in
the placebo group due to the fact it is proven to work for
OA. They were basically comparing a proven drug to an
unproven homepathic remedy.

How do we know that the medication, i.e. APAP, is effective
against that type of arthritis? Do we know that all people
will react similarly? There are many more questions.

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Rephrase that :-

I don't understand your reasoning behind this - they were
comparing a 'active placebo' to a homeopathic remedy.

Active placebo is an oxymoron.

Quoted message said:

The therapeutic effect would be expected to be higher in
the placebo group due to the fact it is proven to work
for OA. They were basically comparing a proven drug to an
unproven homepathic remedy.

How do we know that the medication, i.e. APAP, is
effective against that type of arthritis? Do we know that
all people will react similarly? There are many more
questions.

C. N. Shealy, MD, R.P. Thomlinson, V. Borgmeyer,
Osteoarthritic Pain: A Comparison of Homeopathy and
Acetaminophen American Journal of Pain Management, 1998;8:89-
91 A double-blinded study to document the relative
efficacy of homeopathic remedies in comparison to
acetaminophen for the treatment of pain associated with
osteoarthritis (OA) among 65 patients. An IRB approved
protocol. Results of the study documented better pain
relief in the homeopathic group (55% achieved measured
relief from homeopathy as compared to 38% from
acetaminophen); however, the superiority of this
treatment, in comparison with the acetaminophen group,
did not reach statistical significance. The investigators
conclude that homeopathic treatments for pain in OA
patients appear to be safe and at least as effective as
acetaminophen, and are without its potential adverse
effects including compromise to both liver and kidney
function. Many of the patients asked to continue with the
homeopathic treatment.

I don't have the whole article just the abstract.

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