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Much ballyhooed "high carbs plus protein helps heart" study

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  1. Here's an article with headline "High Carbs Plus Protein Could Help
    Heart".

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051116/ap_on_he_me/fit_diet_matchup_4

    It discusses a study which showed that a high carb (58%) diet was in
    fact inferior to a lower carb (48%), higher fat diet, as far as
    BP reduction goes.

    That is exactly the opposite to what the headline claims.

    A proper way to write a headline would be to say something like
    "Lowering carbs away from a high carb diet helps heart".

    What this study accomplished was finding that a moderate carb, higher
    fat diet lowered blood pressure better than a high carb diet. The
    former diet lowered BP by 9.5 points, vs. about 8 points on the high
    carb diet.

    If you look at another study, http://tinyurl.com/d9uy4

    you would see that going even lower on carbs and higher on "protein",
    produced further moderate improvement on blood pressure, reducing it
    by 10.5 mmHg.

    58% carbs => 8 mmHg reduction on BPP (OmniHeart study)
    48% carbs => 9.5 mmHg reduction on BP (OmniHeart study)
    40% carbs => 10.5 mmHg reduction on BP (http://tinyurl.com/d9uy4)

    So, what do we see? Less carbs = less BP.

    One has to wonder to what extent news headlines reflect reality
    altogether. As Doug F pointed out, journalists have very little clue
    as to what they are writing about.

    While it is true, that would be the most benign explanation.
    Journalists could acquire some clue if properly prodded by their
    employers. The less benign explanation, promoted by Chomsky for other
    areas of news reporting, is that journalists follow financial
    interests of their institutions. That's a more realistic explanation,
    since it follows the money.

    But, in any case, the story with reporting of this study suggests that
    we should look "beyond headlines".

    i

  2. Good points about how the media avoids using the word "carb" in their
    headlines. I think it reflects the reality. My guess is that both the
    researchers and the media have been hammered hard by the research
    funders and the advertizers, who are probably the same companies or at
    least the same industries, whenever the researchers or the media
    emphasize the negactive effects of carbs. So they react by emphasizing
    the benefits of either proteins or fats. It's an interesting game they
    are playing, and very telling.

    TC

    Ignoramus24428 said:

    Here's an article with headline "High Carbs Plus Protein Could Help
    Heart".

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051116/ap_on_he_me/fit_diet_matchup_4

    It discusses a study which showed that a high carb (58%) diet was in
    fact inferior to a lower carb (48%), higher fat diet, as far as
    BP reduction goes.

    That is exactly the opposite to what the headline claims.

    A proper way to write a headline would be to say something like
    "Lowering carbs away from a high carb diet helps heart".

    What this study accomplished was finding that a moderate carb, higher
    fat diet lowered blood pressure better than a high carb diet. The
    former diet lowered BP by 9.5 points, vs. about 8 points on the high
    carb diet.

    If you look at another study, http://tinyurl.com/d9uy4

    you would see that going even lower on carbs and higher on "protein",
    produced further moderate improvement on blood pressure, reducing it
    by 10.5 mmHg.

    58% carbs => 8 mmHg reduction on BPP (OmniHeart study)
    48% carbs => 9.5 mmHg reduction on BP (OmniHeart study)
    40% carbs => 10.5 mmHg reduction on BP (http://tinyurl.com/d9uy4)

    So, what do we see? Less carbs = less BP.

    One has to wonder to what extent news headlines reflect reality
    altogether. As Doug F pointed out, journalists have very little clue
    as to what they are writing about.

    While it is true, that would be the most benign explanation.
    Journalists could acquire some clue if properly prodded by their
    employers. The less benign explanation, promoted by Chomsky for other
    areas of news reporting, is that journalists follow financial
    interests of their institutions. That's a more realistic explanation,
    since it follows the money.

    But, in any case, the story with reporting of this study suggests that
    we should look "beyond headlines".

    i

  3. Quoted message said:

    Good points about how the media avoids using the word "carb" in their
    headlines.

    Um, the article that I mentioned, did mention carbs in the headline. 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    I think it reflects the reality. My guess is that both the
    researchers and the media have been hammered hard by the research
    funders and the advertizers, who are probably the same companies or at
    least the same industries, whenever the researchers or the media
    emphasize the negactive effects of carbs. So they react by emphasizing
    the benefits of either proteins or fats. It's an interesting game they
    are playing, and very telling.

    I agree with that. "Follow the money" is an approach that usually
    yields the correct answer.

    i

    Quoted message said:

    TC

    Ignoramus24428 said:

    Here's an article with headline "High Carbs Plus Protein Could Help
    Heart".

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051116/ap_on_he_me/fit_diet_matchup_4

    It discusses a study which showed that a high carb (58%) diet was in
    fact inferior to a lower carb (48%), higher fat diet, as far as
    BP reduction goes.

    That is exactly the opposite to what the headline claims.

    A proper way to write a headline would be to say something like
    "Lowering carbs away from a high carb diet helps heart".

    What this study accomplished was finding that a moderate carb, higher
    fat diet lowered blood pressure better than a high carb diet. The
    former diet lowered BP by 9.5 points, vs. about 8 points on the high
    carb diet.

    If you look at another study, http://tinyurl.com/d9uy4

    you would see that going even lower on carbs and higher on "protein",
    produced further moderate improvement on blood pressure, reducing it
    by 10.5 mmHg.

    58% carbs => 8 mmHg reduction on BPP (OmniHeart study)
    48% carbs => 9.5 mmHg reduction on BP (OmniHeart study)
    40% carbs => 10.5 mmHg reduction on BP (http://tinyurl.com/d9uy4)

    So, what do we see? Less carbs = less BP.

    One has to wonder to what extent news headlines reflect reality
    altogether. As Doug F pointed out, journalists have very little clue
    as to what they are writing about.

    While it is true, that would be the most benign explanation.
    Journalists could acquire some clue if properly prodded by their
    employers. The less benign explanation, promoted by Chomsky for other
    areas of news reporting, is that journalists follow financial
    interests of their institutions. That's a more realistic explanation,
    since it follows the money.

    But, in any case, the story with reporting of this study suggests that
    we should look "beyond headlines".

    i


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  4. Matthew Venhaus said:


    Ignoramus24428 <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Here's an article with headline "High Carbs Plus Protein Could Help
    Heart".

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051116/ap_on_he_me/fit_diet_matchup_4

    It discusses a study which showed that a high carb (58%) diet was in
    fact inferior to a lower carb (48%), higher fat diet, as far as
    BP reduction goes.

    That is exactly the opposite to what the headline claims.


    I don't think so; 48% carbs (240g in a 2000 calorie per day diet) is
    not low carb.

    No one said that 48% of carbs was low carb. That was not part of the
    argument at all. Doubtless, you are right and neither 48% nor 40% is
    low carb. It is merely "lower" carb than 58%.

    Quoted message said:

    The revision of the DASH diet is due in March 2006; it
    will be interesting to see if it incorporates this research.

    Yes, let's see what happens...

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  5. Ignoramus24428 <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Here's an article with headline "High Carbs Plus Protein Could Help
    Heart".

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051116/ap_on_he_me/fit_diet_matchup_4

    It discusses a study which showed that a high carb (58%) diet was in
    fact inferior to a lower carb (48%), higher fat diet, as far as
    BP reduction goes.

    That is exactly the opposite to what the headline claims.


    I don't think so; 48% carbs (240g in a 2000 calorie per day diet) is
    not low carb. The revision of the DASH diet is due in March 2006; it
    will be interesting to see if it incorporates this research.

    --
    Matthew
    Slow and steady wins the race.

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