Mountain Kills Mountain Biker

Peter H said:

Strider said:

It's an animal. It was hunting humans, not their natural prey, because it was hungry.

In the scenario given, the human WAS natural prey as seen through the cougar's eyes. Everyone is on
someone's food chain; from a carnivore's perspective, a human is emminently edible.

Pete H

Mountain lion normally attack people?

Not according to just about everyone else that's weighed in on the matter.

Strider

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:40:39 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]>

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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:16:43 GMT, Strider <[email hidden]> wrote:

.On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:01:40 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> .wrote: . .>The fact that a
mountain lion is attacking mountain bikers confirms my view that .>(1) bicycles don't belong in our
parks and open spaces, or ANYWHERE off of .>pavement; they make it too easy for people to get into
wildlife habitat and .>disturb the wildlife whose home it is; and (2) humans don't belong
EVERYWHERE; .>wildlife have already lost far too much habitat, and deserve to have habitat .>that
is closed to all humans. This is ESPECIALLY true for animals that are .>dangerous to humans.
Closing the Whiting Ranch Wilderness Park in the Cleveland .>National Forest to human access is the
only appropriate response to this .>incident. .> .>It was INEXCUSABLE to kill the mountain lion. It
was just trying to survive, the .>only way it knows how. It is interesting that we always kill the
animal first, .>and then try to justify it (by claiming it was the culprit) later. Among humans,
.>you are innocent till proven guilty. .>=== .>I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is
off-limits to .>humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 .>years fighting
auto dependence and road construction.) .> .>home.pacbell.netmjvandeOpen ↗ . .You want to put a
mountain lion on trial? . .It's an animal. It was hunting humans, not their natural prey, because
.it was hungry. It was hungry most likely because it was either sick .there are too many mountain
lions in that area.

Typical human arrogance. "Too many" for WHOM? Not for the mountain lion. Humans are the world's
best rationalizers & liars.

WHat species do you belong to?

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The answer is to .reduce the lion population to sustainable numbers.

BS. Nature handles that just fine. It's humans who need to be reduced to sustainable numbers, and
ignorant people like you would make a good start.

Wrong. Predators go through the same boom/bust cycle as their prey.

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If left to nature, .the lions would starve, thereby reducing their numbers. A better .alternative
is regulated hunting. Dead is dead. If by starvation or .firearms, it's still dead. The cat has no
preference.

More BS. Humans don't kill the weakest, but usually the opposite.

Your point?

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.BTW. Humans DO belong everywhere. Nature made us the top level .predator. That's why we rule the
Earth and lions don't. If you attempt .to cut off access to wilderness areas around here then I and
others .like me will do what we can to prevent this atrocity.

Thanks for demonstrating just how arrogant and selfish mountain bikers are. By your own logic,
nature made the mountain biker vulnerable to attack by mountain lions, and therefore it's fine that
they are killed by mountain lions. You are just rationalizing what is inexcusable murder by any
rational person.

I'm not a mountain biker.

Everyone is vulnerable to the rare attack. I choose to be able to resist. I am a predator.
You are prey.

Strider

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.It just ain't gonna happen. . .Strider

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Mike Vandeman said:

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:52:27 +1300, "Westie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

.Mike Vandeman wrote: .<snip> The problem is that humans define ALL of the Earth as "multi-use".
They are incredibly selfish!

Well, you obviously haven't been to New Zealand and seen some of the restrictions in the National
parks and Reserves here - they are certainly NOT 'multi-use'. I guess that not ALL of the earth is
defined as 'multi-use'.

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.Perhaps, but there are plenty of humans I'd like to shoot on sight.

Your threat is duly noted.

Believe it or not, the thought of shooting you on sight didn't cross my mind. I was too busy
thinking about other real people, closer to home, that I'd like to shoot first. You're too
paranoid, Mike.
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The Nelson Paradigm said:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
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I don't normally like to respond to you, Troll, but this I cannot ignore. The Mountain Lion made
itself a danger to human life and not specific danger should EVER be ignored. It became a pest and
it was dealt with as such in the best way possible. No single animal on Earth is worth a single
HUMAN life.

WRONGO WRONGO WRONGO

a mtn lion's life is worth 10 Vandemans

OH you wrote HUMAN life

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pete salomone said:

Drats a Vandeman message made it thru my Vandeman filter???

You gotta admit it was a great title, though. Every time I see it, it makes me giggle. I've had a
few mountains that I THOUGHT were going to kill me, but the problem was the CLIMB, not the critters!

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Mike Vandeman said:

The fact that a mountain lion is attacking mountain bikers confirms my view that
(1) bicycles don't belong in our parks and open spaces, or ANYWHERE off of pavement; they make it
too easy for people to get into wildlife habitat and disturb the wildlife whose home it is;
and (2) humans don't belong EVERYWHERE; wildlife have already lost far too much habitat, and
deserve to have habitat that is closed to all humans. This is ESPECIALLY true for animals that
are dangerous to humans. Closing the Whiting Ranch Wilderness Park in the Cleveland National
Forest to human access is the only appropriate response to this incident.

Mike you are surely clueless. The cougar attacked a human that was crouching near his bike to repair
it. The Reynolds was apparently not that far from the trailhead and easily reachable by hikers. The
cougar did not see a mt biker but prey, a extremely rare circumstance, but not unknown (the hiker in
San Diego in 1994 and the ultra marathon runner on a trail in cool California are the only other
fatalities from cougars in California since 1909.

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It was INEXCUSABLE to kill the mountain lion. It was just trying to survive, the only way it knows
how. It is interesting that we always kill the animal first, and then try to justify it (by
claiming it was the culprit) later. Among humans, you are innocent till proven guilty.

It turns out that this cougar was responsible. Our response as a society to kill an animal that
killed us is pretty primal and consistent with other species.

I suggest you put your effort to encouraging people to recognize that attacks from cougars are
extremely rare and that we should continue to protect the habitats they occur in. Your irrational
rantings merely serve to convince your audience you are nuts and maybe they will react to lessen
protection of areas cougars need, not increase them.

Get a clue.

Rick

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 05:49:37 GMT, "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote:

. ."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
."]news:[email hidden]... .> The fact that a mountain lion is attacking
mountain bikers confirms my .view that .> (1) bicycles don't belong in our parks and open spaces, or
ANYWHERE off of .> pavement; they make it too easy for people to get into wildlife habitat .and .>
disturb the wildlife whose home it is; . .I'll make a slight exception to my usual rule of simply
ignoring you, Mikey. .Just this once, 'cause we truly do love you...🙂

Filter broken?

.By your own oft repeated definition, the victim in question was *not a .mountain biker* at the time
of the attack. He was off his bike, fixing it.

That's mountain biker logic. He was obviously still a mountain biker.

.Had he been a hiker (you, maybe), and stopped to tie his shoe, the same .exact thing might have
happened. Presenting a small, vulnerable target. . .Maybe even you could realize...it's not about
the bike. .But I doubt it.

BS. The bike allows people to travel much farther in wildlife habitat -- people who are too lazy to
WALK. But you forgot that I recommended closing the area to ALL humans.

.Pete .bye bye for now. .

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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 05:56:55 -0500, Peter H <[email hidden]> wrote:

.Strider wrote: . .>It's an animal. It was hunting humans, not their natural prey, because .>it was
hungry. .> .In the scenario given, the human WAS natural prey as seen through the .cougar's eyes.
Everyone is on someone's food chain; from a carnivore's .perspective, a human is emminently edible.

"Got an email from a horsewoman in Orange County who lives near Whiting Wilderness Park. She was
severely injured as a result of an encounter with a mountain biker which got her thrown from her
horse. She and others have campaigned against mountain bikes and their 'competition training' in the
park. She said that now people are referring to the bikers as 'Meals on Wheels'."
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Mike Vandeman said:

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 05:49:37 GMT, "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote:

. ."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
."]news:[email hidden]... .> The fact that a mountain lion is attacking
mountain bikers confirms my .view that .> (1) bicycles don't belong in our parks and open spaces,
or ANYWHERE off of .> pavement; they make it too easy for people to get into wildlife habitat .and
.> disturb the wildlife whose home it is; . .I'll make a slight exception to my usual rule of
simply ignoring you, Mikey. .Just this once, 'cause we truly do love you...🙂

Filter broken?

.By your own oft repeated definition, the victim in question was *not a .mountain biker* at the
time of the attack. He was off his bike, fixing it.

That's mountain biker logic. He was obviously still a mountain biker.

What you think or anyone else thinks is really not relevant. What did the cougar see. He was not
attracted to something moving (e.g., a riding cyclist) he instead saw a crouched animal, it could
have just as easily been a hiker looking at a flower, insect or track, or even taking a [censored]. The
hiker in San Diego in 1994 was apparently crouching when attacked. Did the cougar mistake her for a
mt. biker?

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.Had he been a hiker (you, maybe), and stopped to tie his shoe, the same .exact thing might have
happened. Presenting a small, vulnerable target. . .Maybe even you could realize...it's not about
the bike. .But I doubt it.

BS. The bike allows people to travel much farther in wildlife habitat -- people who are too lazy
to WALK. But you forgot that I recommended closing the area to ALL humans.

Most people attack are hikers; only a few mt. bikers and equestrians have been attacked. Your
argument falls down as it does a poor job explaining the facts.

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.Pete .bye bye for now. .

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On 14 Jan 2004 12:23:44 -0800, [email hidden] (Jonesy) wrote:

."S o r n i" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>... .> Mike Vandeman wrote: .> > The fact that a
mountain lion is attacking mountain bikers confirms .> > my view that (1) bicycles don't belong in
our parks and open spaces .> {snip} .> .> First of all, nice header. (Almost true in Miles' recent
past.) Can we .> assume you use similar diligence in all your "research" efforts? . .In this case,
I'm sure that some peer somewhere reviewed it and said,

. .> Second of all, these encounters were in a *very* accessible location. Would .> be equally
likely to happen to hikers as bikers. (I can just imagine the .> outrage if it HAD been hikers,
and someone suggested they deserved to be .> attacked.) . .The person wasn't riding a bike at the
time of the attack, so .therefore the cat did attack a hiker. Duh.

B.S. He was a mountain biker, which is obvious to everyone except mountain bikers.
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:56:23 GMT, Strider <[email hidden]> wrote:

.On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 05:56:55 -0500, Peter H <[email hidden]> wrote: . .>Strider wrote: .> .>>It's
an animal. It was hunting humans, not their natural prey, because .>>it was hungry. .>> .>In the
scenario given, the human WAS natural prey as seen through the .>cougar's eyes. Everyone is on
someone's food chain; from a carnivore's .>perspective, a human is emminently edible. .> .>Pete H .
.Mountain lion normally attack people? . .Not according to just about everyone else that's weighed
in on the .matter.

As they know what's "normal" for another species.

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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:17:02 GMT, "Nelson Binch" <[email hidden]>
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. ."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
."]news:[email hidden]... .> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:06:49 -0500, "The
Nelson Paradigm" .> <[email hidden]> wrote: .> .> .Mike Vandeman wrote: .> .| The fact
that a mountain lion is attacking mountain bikers confirms .> .| my view that (1) bicycles don't
belong in our parks and open spaces, .> .| or ANYWHERE off of pavement; they make it too easy for
people to get .> .| into wildlife habitat and disturb the wildlife whose home it is; and .> .| (2)
humans don't belong EVERYWHERE; wildlife have already lost far .> .| too much habitat, and deserve
to have habitat that is closed to all .> .| humans. This is ESPECIALLY true for animals that are
dangerous to .> .| humans. Closing the Whiting Ranch Wilderness Park in the Cleveland .> .| National
Forest to human access is the only appropriate response to .> .| this incident. .> .| .> .| It was
INEXCUSABLE to kill the mountain lion. It was just trying to .> .| survive, the only way it knows
how. It is interesting that we always .> .| kill the animal first, and then try to justify it (by
claiming it was .> .| the culprit) later. Among humans, you are innocent till proven guilty. .> . .>
.I don't normally like to respond to you, Troll, but this I cannot ignore. .> .The Mountain Lion
made itself a danger to human life and not specific .danger .> .should EVER be ignored. It became a
pest and it was dealt with as such .in .> .the best way possible. No single animal on Earth is worth
a single HUMAN .> .life. .> .> You don't have your facts right. The mountain lion is not a "pest" .
. Any animal that threatens human safety or health is, at the very least a .pest. Human life has
supremacy.

In this case, humans threatened the lions first, by destroying their habitat. You are just
rationalizing brutality.

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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:39:49 GMT, Strider <[email hidden]> wrote:

.On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:40:39 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> .wrote: . .>On Wed, 14 Jan
2004 02:16:43 GMT, Strider <[email hidden]> wrote: .> .>.On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:01:40 GMT, Mike
Vandeman <[email hidden]> .>.wrote: .>. .>.>The fact that a mountain lion is attacking mountain
bikers confirms my view that .>.>(1) bicycles don't belong in our parks and open spaces, or ANYWHERE
off of .>.>pavement; they make it too easy for people to get into wildlife habitat and .>.>disturb
the wildlife whose home it is; and (2) humans don't belong EVERYWHERE; .>.>wildlife have already
lost far too much habitat, and deserve to have habitat .>.>that is closed to all humans. This is
ESPECIALLY true for animals that are .>.>dangerous to humans. Closing the Whiting Ranch Wilderness
Park in the Cleveland .>.>National Forest to human access is the only appropriate response to this
.>.>incident. .>.> .>.>It was INEXCUSABLE to kill the mountain lion. It was just trying to survive,
the .>.>only way it knows how. It is interesting that we always kill the animal first, .>.>and then
try to justify it (by claiming it was the culprit) later. Among humans, .>.>you are innocent till
proven guilty. .>.>=== .>.>I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
.>.>humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 .>.>years fighting auto
dependence and road construction.) .>.> .>.>home.pacbell.netmjvandeOpen ↗ .>. .>.You want to put a
mountain lion on trial? .>. .>.It's an animal. It was hunting humans, not their natural prey,
because .>.it was hungry. It was hungry most likely because it was either sick .>.there are too many
mountain lions in that area. .> .>Typical human arrogance. "Too many" for WHOM? Not for the mountain
lion. Humans .>are the world's best rationalizers & liars. . .WHat species do you belong to?

I have to explain EVERYTHING to you?

.> The answer is to .>.reduce the lion population to sustainable numbers. .> .>BS. Nature handles
that just fine. It's humans who need to be reduced to .>sustainable numbers, and ignorant people
like you would make a good start. . .Wrong. Predators go through the same boom/bust cycle as
their prey.

I know. So what?

.> If left to nature, .>.the lions would starve, thereby reducing their numbers. A better
.>.alternative is regulated hunting. Dead is dead. If by starvation or .>.firearms, it's still dead.
The cat has no preference. .> .>More BS. Humans don't kill the weakest, but usually the opposite. .
.Your point?

We shouldn't be allowed to kill wildlife, except in self-defense. This was MURDER, not self-defense.
The lion wanted to eat a dead person.

.>.BTW. Humans DO belong everywhere. Nature made us the top level .>.predator. That's why we rule
the Earth and lions don't. If you attempt .>.to cut off access to wilderness areas around here then
I and others .>.like me will do what we can to prevent this atrocity. .> .>Thanks for demonstrating
just how arrogant and selfish mountain bikers are. By .>your own logic, nature made the mountain
biker vulnerable to attack by mountain .>lions, and therefore it's fine that they are killed by
mountain lions. You are .>just rationalizing what is inexcusable murder by any rational person. .
.I'm not a mountain biker. . .Everyone is vulnerable to the rare attack. I choose to be able to
.resist. I am a predator. You are prey.

Your treat is duly noted and recorded.

.Strider

(The name of an insect.)

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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:14:40 GMT, Doug Haxton <[email hidden]> wrote:

.On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:44:13 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> .wrote: . .>.> It was
INEXCUSABLE to kill the mountain lion. .>. .>.No, it wasn't. .> .>Only by humans, who don't follow
their own logic. If a human kills a mountain .>lion, they call that "survival of the fittest" If a
mountain lion kills a uman, .>even if it is just trying to survive, it's considered an aberration
and .>"murder". You are a hypocrite. . .Please cite *anyone* who's described the mountain lion as a
."murderer".

The shooter was a murderer. He didn't even have any evidence that the lion was the culprit. And
eating a dead human is not a crime.

.I eagerly await your response. . .Doug

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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:52:18 +1300, "Westie" <[email hidden]>
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.Mike Vandeman wrote: .> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:52:27 +1300, "Westie" .>
<[email hidden]> wrote: .> .> .Mike Vandeman wrote: .> .<snip> .> The problem is that
humans define ALL of the Earth as "multi-use". .> They are incredibly selfish! . .Well, you
obviously haven't been to New Zealand and seen some of the .restrictions in the National parks and
Reserves here - they are certainly .NOT 'multi-use'. I guess that not ALL of the earth is defined as
.'multi-use'.

Then name even ONE area off-limits to ALL humans.

.<snip> .> .Perhaps, but there are plenty of humans I'd like to shoot on sight. .> .> Your threat is
duly noted. . .Believe it or not, the thought of shooting you on sight didn't cross my .mind. I was
too busy thinking about other real people, closer to home, that .I'd like to shoot first. You're too
paranoid, Mike.

I never said the threat was to me, did I? Idiot.
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On 15 Jan 2004 00:46:58 GMT, BB <[email hidden]> wrote:

.On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:32:14 GMT, pete salomone wrote: .> Drats a Vandeman message made it thru my
Vandeman filter???

Broken filter?

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Mike Vandeman said:

"Got an email from a horsewoman in Orange County

Don't hold her looks against her.

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She said that now people are referring to the bikers as 'Meals on Wheels'.

Have you ever seen the damage that horses' hooves do to trails? And unlike responsible cyclists (the
vast majority, btw), "horsepeople" seem to go out when the ground is soft, greatly increasing the
carnage they cause.

Never heard a pathetic peep out of you about THAT, doctor demento.

Bill "tilt at windmills much Mikey?" S.

Mike Vandeman said:

On 14 Jan 2004 12:23:44 -0800, [email hidden] (Jonesy) wrote:

."S o r n i" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>... .> Mike Vandeman wrote: .> > The fact that a
mountain lion is attacking mountain bikers confirms .> > my view that (1) bicycles don't belong in
our parks and open spaces .> {snip} .> .> First of all, nice header. (Almost true in Miles' recent
past.) Can we .> assume you use similar diligence in all your "research" efforts? . .In this case,
I'm sure that some peer somewhere reviewed it and said,

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. .> Second of all, these encounters were in a *very* accessible location. Would .> be equally
likely to happen to hikers as bikers. (I can just imagine the .> outrage if it HAD been hikers,
and someone suggested they deserved to be .> attacked.) . .The person wasn't riding a bike at
the time of the attack, so .therefore the cat did attack a hiker. Duh.

B.S. He was a mountain biker, which is obvious to everyone except mountain bikers.

Do you work at being this dumb or is it a gift from God.

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Mike Vandeman said:

.Everyone is vulnerable to the rare attack. I choose to be able to .resist. I am a predator. You
are prey.

Your treat is duly noted and recorded.

Devouring you would hardly be a treat! Patooie...

Bill "fire your proofreader" S.

Mike Vandeman said:

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:56:23 GMT, Strider <[email hidden]> wrote:

.On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 05:56:55 -0500, Peter H <[email hidden]> wrote: . .>Strider wrote: .>
.>>It's an animal. It was hunting humans, not their natural prey, because .>>it was hungry. .>>
.>In the scenario given, the human WAS natural prey as seen through the .>cougar's eyes. Everyone
is on someone's food chain; from a carnivore's .>perspective, a human is emminently edible. .>
.>Pete H . .Mountain lion normally attack people? . .Not according to just about everyone else
that's weighed in on the .matter.

As they know what's "normal" for another species.

Actually Mike, we can easily determine what is normal for cougars. While catholic in their diet
(they can and do eat just about any animal that occurs in nature) they specialize on cervids (deer
and elk). In areas where pigs are common, some individuals exhibit a prediliction for pig, but even
in these areas pigs provide less caloric value than deer. we know that ecologically cougars do not
view humans as prey, even in Southern California. There are several hundred million recreational
visitor days a year in cougar country in California and we have less than one attack a year. Tens of
thousands of times people come within a couple hundred meters (or closer) to cougars and are simply
unaware of it as the cougar avoids them.

Rick

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