Mountain Bikers are Eco-Vandalists!



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Mike Vandeman

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:59:44 -0700
From: [a responsible citizen]
Subject: Re: Mountain Bikers are Eco-Vandalists!

Eight million bikers can be wrong when it comes down to the
welfare of the environment. You can get the whole story on
the Alpine Recreational Study on the www.dnv.org site. Just
scroll to it on the right hand side box.

On Wednesday night, a Parks and Natural Environment
committee member showed us some pictures of mountain bike
structures, illegally built on our upper mountain. What a
pack of trash and vandalism in our forests. We are supposed
to go up there again with a parks ranger, and look at more
this weekend. It is time for a backlash against this eco-
vandalism by the general public who are not mountain bikers.
It is a crying shame what they have done to our woods. By my
intuition, I have always said that what was happening in our
little park (Mountain View), was probably happening all over
Mount Fromme. It seems I am right. When I go up there, I
plan to take a lot of pictures. One biker on our committee
said it would be bad judgement to go on a Saturday, as we
would be taking risk on "mountain biker territory"----WHA--?
There, the truth. I sucked in my breath, and glared. These
people tell me I have no right to claim the neighbourhood
park for our neighbourhood, and yet tell me I will be
"infringing" on their "territory"? I was about to say
something, but thought the better of it, since it probably
would have gotten me thrown off the committee, and I can do
more on the committee.

Some very dodgy things going on with the mountain bikers and
the NSMBA. The focus groups and Alpine Plan is an eye
opener. Things were said like:

* Preserve unique nature of mountain bike experience.
Standards can sterilize experience. ( I take this to mean
they do not wish to have rules, containment, restriction,
or enforcement) This one is a real beauty, isn't it.

* Promote (North Shore Mountains) as a world class
mountain bike destination. (The district already is, so
what else is new?)

* Need for mountain bike skills park for kids and youth.
(One is already in the plans; another is being looked
at,etc. How many do they need??? And why do we need to
teach youth "skills" to rip up our wildlands? If they
build mountain bike "amusement" parks, and kept them out
of our wild places, like skateboard parks to keep
skateboarders off the streets, I could see that working.
ie. one for the city, one for DNV and one for West Van.)
-- but of course hell will freeze over first before we get
any mountain biker going for that..

There are liability issues; rescue services are overburdened
by mountain bike injuries. (North Shore Search and Rescue).
Mountain bikers want free access, free ride, and free
everything,etc. Another stress on our wildlands last year
and this year is drought (believe it or not). So there is
the added stress on our flora and fauna created by perceived
long term climatic changes. If we do not get our usual April
and May deluge of rain, forest closures could come up in
very early summer. Which may not be such a bad thing with
regards to mountain bikers and the upcoming mountain bike
conference and festival. Frankly living right next to the
forest, I welcome anything that would prevent forest fires.
I'll keep you up to date.

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits
to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the
previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
construction.)

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MV blurts:

>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:59:44 -0700 From: [a responsible
>citizen] Subject: Re: Mountain Bikers are Eco-Vandalists!

Mike - how many times are you going to try to pass
yourself off as a "responsible citizen?" We all know it's
not the truth.
 
"Stephen Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> MV blurts:
>
> >Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:59:44 -0700 From: [a
> >responsible citizen] Subject: Re: Mountain Bikers are Eco-
> >Vandalists!
>
> Mike - how many times are you going to try to pass
> yourself off as a "responsible citizen?" We all know it's
> not the truth.
>
Who's Mike?
 
Stephen Baker wrote:
> MV blurts:
>
>
>>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:59:44 -0700 From: [a responsible
>>citizen] Subject: Re: Mountain Bikers are Eco-Vandalists!
>
>
> Mike - how many times are you going to try to pass
> yourself off as a "responsible citizen?" We all know it's
> not the truth.
>
>
Misread that. Thought it said "Mountain Bikers are Eco-
Vandamists!" and I thought "Hell if I am". ;-)

Shawn
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> These people tell me I have no right to claim the
> neighbourhood park for our neighbourhood, and yet tell >me
> I will be
"infringing" on their "territory"?

I'm glad there's no one around here like that!
 
On 01 May 2004 01:35:35 GMT, [email protected] (Stephen Baker) wrote:

.MV blurts: . .>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:59:44 -0700
.>From: [a responsible citizen] .>Subject: Re: Mountain
Bikers are Eco-Vandalists! . .Mike - how many times are you
going to try to pass yourself off as a ."responsible
citizen?" We all know it's not the truth.

That doesn't refer to me, idiot.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits
to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the
previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 01 May 2004 01:35:35 GMT, [email protected]
> (Stephen Baker)
wrote:
>
> .MV blurts: . .>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:59:44 -0700
> .>From: [a responsible citizen] .>Subject: Re: Mountain
> Bikers are Eco-Vandalists! . .Mike - how many times are
> you going to try to pass yourself off as a ."responsible
> citizen?" We all know it's not the truth.
>
> That doesn't refer to me, idiot.
> ===

Clearly. Mikey, no one should ever mistake you for a
responsible citizen.
 
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 01 May 2004 01:35:35 GMT, [email protected]
> > (Stephen Baker)
> wrote:
> >
> > .MV blurts: . .>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:59:44 -0700
> > .>From: [a responsible citizen] .>Subject: Re: Mountain
> > Bikers are Eco-Vandalists! . .Mike - how many times are
> > you going to try to pass yourself off as a ."responsible
> > citizen?" We all know it's not the truth.
> >
> > That doesn't refer to me, idiot.
> > ===
>
> Clearly. Mikey, no one should ever mistake you for a
> responsible citizen.
>
>

As Larry the Cable Guy would say, "now that there's funny, I
don't care who you are."
 
"It is time for a backlash against this eco-vandalism by the
general public who are not mountain bikers."

I think it's terrible to accuse the non-mountain biking
public of eco-vandalism.

cheers

G
 
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>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:59:44 -0700 From: [a responsible
>citizen] Subject: Re: Mountain Bikers are Eco-Vandalists!

To much of a ***** to sign the letter....hmmm

Churrnnnnnnn.....:(

kc

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On Mon, 3 May 2004 07:08:43 -0600, Sweety <[email protected]> wrote:

. . .I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-
limits to .morons ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent
the last 900 .Years fighting idiots and cretins.) .>>> Mike
Vandeman<[email protected]> 4/30/2004 7:16:00 PM >>> .
.>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:59:44 -0700 .>From: [a
responsible citizen] .>Subject: Re: Mountain Bikers are Eco-
Vandalists! . .To much of a ***** to sign the letter....hmmm

He did sign it. I removed the name to keep him from being
harassed and threatened by mountain bikers.

.Churrnnnnnnn.....:( . .kc

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits
to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the
previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
<snipped for the sake reading that drivel>

What the hell is your problem man, how many other people are
there like you?

Cycling is probably one of the most eco-friendly ways of
getting about, (apart from walking.) Mountain bikes are
designed to be offroad, so why does anyone have to destroy
anything to get from a>b.
 
> That doesn't refer to me, idiot.

Then WTF are you posting that inane babble for?
 
On Mon, 3 May 2004 20:38:11 +0100, "Tetsuo Shima" <[email protected]>
wrote:

.<snipped for the sake reading that drivel> . .What the hell
is your problem man, how many other people are there like
you? . .Cycling is probably one of the most eco-friendly
ways of getting about, .(apart from walking.)

Yeah, as long as you stick to paved roads. It is by far
the most destructive activity that is allowed in any of
our parks.

Mountain bikes are designed to be offroad, so why .does
anyone have to destroy anything to get from a>b. .

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits
to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the
previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
Show me the proof.

I'm tired of this inane claptrap you're spouting, bikers
damage if anything is barely minimal You'd need billions
upon billions of bikes to do the same damage in one area as
one company would need to destroy to build a factory or make
a carpark. Your argument is flawed and petty, post to some
poor sap who cares.
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 3 May 2004 20:38:11 +0100, "Tetsuo Shima"
<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> .<snipped for the sake reading that drivel> . .What the
> hell is your problem man, how many other people are
> there like
you?
> . .Cycling is probably one of the most eco-friendly ways
> of getting about, .(apart from walking.)
>
> Yeah, as long as you stick to paved roads. It is by far
> the most
destructive
> activity that is allowed in any of our parks.

OPINION
>
> Mountain bikes are designed to be offroad, so why .does
> anyone have to destroy anything to get from a>b. .
>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-
> limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent
> the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
> construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Mon, 3 May 2004 20:38:11 +0100, "Tetsuo Shima"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> .<snipped for the sake reading that drivel> . .What the
> hell is your problem man, how many other people are there
> like you? . .Cycling is probably one of the most eco-
> friendly ways of getting about, .(apart from walking.)
>
> Yeah, as long as you stick to paved roads. It is by far
> the most destructive activity that is allowed in any of
> our parks.

Oh Mikey, you forgot your other caveat- paved roads that
cars don't travel on...

You are not fooling anyone. We all know your crusade against
mountain bike as an environmental issue is false. You just
don't want anyone who might impact your "tranquil wilderness
experience" to share the parks or trails with you.

You are a pathetic excuse for a human being on the order of
Geoff Miller!

Go back under your rock, you POS!
 
On 04 May 2004 21:01:24 GMT, [email protected] (Stephen Baker) wrote:

.MV blurts out: . .>.Cycling is probably one of the most
eco-friendly ways of getting about, .>.(apart from
walking.) .> .>Yeah, as long as you stick to paved roads.
It is by far the most destructive .>activity that is
allowed in any of our parks. .> .> . .Yeah, right ahead ot
ATV racing and 4x4 driving.

Those aren't allowed in parks. DUH!

.</sarcams> .

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits
to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the
previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On 6 May 2004 08:07:13 -0700, [email protected] (Mtbmike) wrote:

.Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>... .> On
Mon, 3 May 2004 20:38:11 +0100, "Tetsuo Shima"
<[email protected]> .> wrote: .> .> .<snipped for the
sake reading that drivel> .> . .> .What the hell is your
problem man, how many other people are there like you? .> .
.> .Cycling is probably one of the most eco-friendly ways of
getting about, .> .(apart from walking.) .> .> Yeah, as long
as you stick to paved roads. It is by far the most
destructive .> activity that is allowed in any of our parks.
. .Oh Mikey, you forgot your other caveat- paved roads that
cars don't .travel on... . .You are not fooling anyone. We
all know your crusade against mountain .bike as an
environmental issue is false. You just don't want anyone
.who might impact your "tranquil wilderness experience" to
share the .parks or trails with you. . .You are a pathetic
excuse for a human being on the order of Geoff .Miller! .
.Go back under your rock, you POS!

Did you say something?
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits
to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the
previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
> .You are not fooling anyone. We all know your crusade
> against mountain .bike as an environmental issue is false.
> You just don't want anyone .who might impact your
> "tranquil wilderness experience" to share the .parks or
> trails with you. . .You are a pathetic excuse for a human
> being on the order of Geoff .Miller! . .Go back under your
> rock, you POS!
>
> Did you say something?

Yes moron... You are a liar, a fool, and a pathetic piece of
sh!t. You probably troll around here because no one else
would trifle with such a loser!!!

Later idiot, glad we can make you feel welcome....

Mtbmike