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More parents reject MMR
by BEEZY MARSH, Daily Mail
http://www.femail.co.uk/pages/standard/article.html?in_article_id=204198&in_page_id=169
record number of parents are shunning the MMR vaccine, heightening
fears that children will be exposed to a major measles epidemic.

In some areas, as many as four in ten children are not having the
triple jab which is at the centre of concerns over a possible link to
autism and bowel disease.

Demand for single jabs is soaring as uptake of MMR has fallen to a new
low of just 58 per cent in parts of London, Health Department figures
reveal.

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Experts fear serious outbreaks of measles will strike this winter,
with cases this year already far outstripping those in 2002.

Yesterday, leading clinics providing single vaccinations reported a
flood of calls from anxious parents following a Channel Five drama
about fears surrounding the measles, mumps and rubella jab.

Medical experts and the NHS criticised Hear The Silence, which starred
Juliet Stephenson, as alarmist and inaccurate.

But Sarah Dean, of Direct Health, said: 'We have been inundated with
calls, which is unusual for this time of year.

'We think it may have had something to do with the Channel Five drama.
We think 2004 is going to be our busiest year ever.'

The clinic, which has centres in London, Liverpool, Bristol, Brighton,
Birmingham, Leeds and Darlington, currently gives single jabs to at
least 20,000 children a year.

Kathy Durnford, of single vaccine clinic Healthchoice UK, said: 'The
phone lines have been going ballistic. Parents have been worried about
MMR and the fact that the NHS did not want the drama to be transmitted
has made them even more concerned.'

The Health Department refuses to provide single jabs on the NHS,
saying MMR is the best option for children.

Latest figures from the Department reveal uptake of the combined
vaccine has fallen to just 78 per cent nationally among two-year-olds.

But in Kensington and Chelsea, only 58 per cent of youngsters have the
MMR while in Greenwich the uptake is 59 per cent. In Reading, it is 73
per cent, while in Brighton and Hove the figure has fallen to 70 per
cent.

Doctors say coverage of at least 95 per cent is needed to prevent
outbreaks of measles.

Latest figures from the Health Protection Agency show that cases of
measles in the first nine months of this year stood at 262, compared
to 142 for the same period of 2002.

A spokesman said: 'By the time we have the final figures, it could
well be that measles cases have doubled this year compared to last
year.'

Dr Mary Ramsay, consultant in public health at the HPA, said: 'We are
not seeing evidence of a major epidemic of measles - we don't think we
are going to have one yet.

'But I think we will tend to have more outbreaks, and the size of
those outbreaks may get bigger. We are concerned about low uptake of
MMR, but there may be a question about the accuracy of some of the
data from London.

'We think the picture may not be as bad as it seems but, even so, the
levels of uptake are still too low.'

Yesterday, the Royal College of GPs said it was deeply concerned about
the low uptake. Measles is spread by close contact and tends to thrive
in the winter months. Spokesman Dr George Kassianos said: 'GPs would
like to see 95 per cent coverage with MMR in all communities.

'Once we get that, we can rest. At the moment we are on our guard and
keeping an eye out for measles infections.'
 
I just hope there is not an outbreak of measles because of this.

It is so ironic: Because autism is not caused by vaccines, all the parents
do is put their kids in harm's way instead of reducing their risk of
anything. Very sad.

I hate it when people lie about autism and falsely claim that autism is
caused by vaccines. The data clearly show that the rise in autism is NOT
caused by vaccines.

Jeff
 
>Subject: Re: More parents reject MMR
>From: "Jeff" [email protected]
>Date: 12/20/2003 8:50 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>I just hope there is not an outbreak of measles because of this.
>
>It is so ironic: Because autism is not caused by vaccines, all the parents
>do is put their kids in harm's way instead of reducing their risk of
>anything. Very sad.
>
>I hate it when people lie about autism and falsely claim that autism is
>caused by vaccines. The data clearly show that the rise in autism is NOT
>caused by vaccines.
>
>Jeff


Tell that to these parents.

http://www.909shot.com/

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/terry.htm

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/anna.htm

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/richie.htm

http://www.909shot.com/Kids/nicky.htm

http://groups.msn.com/ParentsofVaccineDamagedChildren/autism.msnw

http://www.house.gov/burton/pdf/autism32503.doc.

http://www.rense.com/general41/merc.htm
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Jeff <[email protected]> wrote:
>I just hope there is not an outbreak of measles because of this.


Given that vaccination rates are now reported to be dropping into the
50-60% range, I'd say we can be quite confident of a measles epidemic
within 3 years.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
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"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
 
> I hate it when people lie about autism and falsely claim that autism is
> caused by vaccines. The data clearly show that the rise in autism is NOT
> caused by vaccines.


The earth's flat too...

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"Colin Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > I hate it when people lie about autism and falsely claim that autism is
> > caused by vaccines. The data clearly show that the rise in autism is NOT
> > caused by vaccines.

>
> The earth's flat too...


What evidence do you have that autism is caused by vaccines? Real evidence
please.

Jeff

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"Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> I hate it when people lie about autism and falsely claim that autism is
> caused by vaccines.


liar, the only scientist studying the children is wakefield and a few
others, so do stop lying. he say mmr is unsafe
 
"john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > I hate it when people lie about autism and falsely claim that autism is
> > caused by vaccines.

>
> liar, the only scientist studying the children is wakefield and a few
> others, so do stop lying. he say mmr is unsafe


There are several scientists who came together at the Instititute of
Medicine (part the US National Academy of Sciences). They examined all
evidence available and could not find a link. There are many scientists who
have studied the issue. In Denmark, they studied thousands of kids and did
not a link.

The bottom line is that there is basically no evidence that MMR causes
autism and very good evidence that it doesn't.

Jeff
 
> What evidence do you have that autism is caused by vaccines? Real evidence
> please.


What evidence do you have to prove it can`t under any circumstances ?

A family friend had their child turn from a bright communicative one to a
"challenged" one.

This happened a few days after their "safe" MMR jab.

Given the option of single jabs and an MMR on YOUR children, which would
you prefer ?

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On 21 Dec 2003 08:52:57 -0800, [email protected] (john) wrote:

>"Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> I hate it when people lie about autism and falsely claim that autism is
>> caused by vaccines.

>
>liar, the only scientist studying the children is wakefield and a few
>others, so do stop lying. he say mmr is unsafe


And his ex-cohort says he's a fraud.

PF
 
"Colin Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > What evidence do you have that autism is caused by vaccines? Real

evidence
> > please.

>
> What evidence do you have to prove it can`t under any circumstances ?


That would require doing a study under every possible circumstance. However,
the Institute of Medicine reviewed all available evidence 2 or 3 years ago
and found no link. The Danish did a study where they looked at every child.
The kids who got MMR were no more likely to get autism than kids who didn't
get the vaccine.

> A family friend had their child turn from a bright communicative one to a
> "challenged" one.


I am sorry about this.

> This happened a few days after their "safe" MMR jab.


If they missed their appointment with the doc, it probably would have
happened a few days after they missed their appointment with the doctor.
Almost certainly, it is coincidence.

> Given the option of single jabs and an MMR on YOUR children, which would
> you prefer ?


One shot.

Jeff
 
[email protected] (Jan) wrote:

>The court is currently hearing approximately 1,000 claims brought by the
>families of autistic children. The suits charge that the measles-mumps-rubella
>(MMR) vaccine, which until recently included a mercury-containing preservative
>known as thimerosal, can cause neurological damage leading to autism.


MMR has never contained thimerosal. Why do these lawyers have to keep
repeating this lie?

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Peter Bowditch <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>
>>The court is currently hearing approximately 1,000 claims brought by
>>the families of autistic children. The suits charge that the
>>measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine, which until recently included a
>>mercury-containing preservative known as thimerosal, can cause
>>neurological damage leading to autism.

>
> MMR has never contained thimerosal. Why do these lawyers have to keep
> repeating this lie?


More to the point, why does Jan keep reposting that article even though she
acknowledges that the MMR/thimerosal association is bogus?
 
"Colin Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > What evidence do you have that autism is caused by vaccines? Real

evidence
> > please.

>
> What evidence do you have to prove it can`t under any circumstances ?
>
> A family friend had their child turn from a bright communicative one to a
> "challenged" one.
>
> This happened a few days after their "safe" MMR jab.
>
> Given the option of single jabs and an MMR on YOUR children, which would
> you prefer ?


The MMR, since NOTHING is as safe as you want it to be, and there is NO
evidence that there is a link between the MMR and autism. What you describe
can be nothing more than a temporal coincidence. Parents begin noticing
autistic differences around the age of the MMR.
 
"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: More parents reject MMR
> >From: "Jeff" [email protected]
> >Date: 12/20/2003 8:50 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
> >
> >I just hope there is not an outbreak of measles because of this.
> >
> >It is so ironic: Because autism is not caused by vaccines, all the

parents
> >do is put their kids in harm's way instead of reducing their risk of
> >anything. Very sad.
> >
> >I hate it when people lie about autism and falsely claim that autism is
> >caused by vaccines. The data clearly show that the rise in autism is NOT
> >caused by vaccines.
> >
> >Jeff

>
> Tell that to these parents.
>
> http://www.909shot.com/
>
> http://www.909shot.com/Kids/terry.htm
>
> http://www.909shot.com/Kids/anna.htm
>
> http://www.909shot.com/Kids/richie.htm
>
> http://www.909shot.com/Kids/nicky.htm
>
> http://groups.msn.com/ParentsofVaccineDamagedChildren/autism.msnw
>
> http://www.house.gov/burton/pdf/autism32503.doc.
>
> http://www.rense.com/general41/merc.htm


OK!

Dear Parents of Autistic Kids:

You are being lied to by the above websites and Jan Drew.

Now, quit being suckered into this blame game and get on with your parently
of the children you are blessed with. My family did, never looked back, and
have never, ever regretted such a choice.

Hope that helps.

Mark Probert
 
"Eric Bohlman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Peter Bowditch <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
> >
> >>The court is currently hearing approximately 1,000 claims brought by
> >>the families of autistic children. The suits charge that the
> >>measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine, which until recently included a
> >>mercury-containing preservative known as thimerosal, can cause
> >>neurological damage leading to autism.

> >
> > MMR has never contained thimerosal. Why do these lawyers have to keep
> > repeating this lie?

>
> More to the point, why does Jan keep reposting that article even though

she
> acknowledges that the MMR/thimerosal association is bogus?


She has a short memory, and hopes others do.
 
>> What evidence do you have that autism is caused by vaccines? Real evidence
>> please.

>
>What evidence do you have to prove it can`t under any circumstances ?
>
>A family friend had their child turn from a bright communicative one to a
>"challenged" one.
>
>This happened a few days after their "safe" MMR jab.
>


How about children who were involved in car accidents a few days after their
SAFE MMR jab? Is the vaccination responsible for that or shaken baby syndrome?
 
Peter,
Please show proof that MMR never contained Thimerosal ?
Then perhaps if you can, then you can be a star witness in all the court
cases like friends Barret/Polevoy et al.

From what I have read it Thimerosal was used.

Rod.


"Peter Bowditch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>
> >The court is currently hearing approximately 1,000 claims brought by the
> >families of autistic children. The suits charge that the

measles-mumps-rubella
> >(MMR) vaccine, which until recently included a mercury-containing

preservative
> >known as thimerosal, can cause neurological damage leading to autism.

>
> MMR has never contained thimerosal. Why do these lawyers have to keep
> repeating this lie?
>
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C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
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In article <[email protected]>,
Rod <[email protected]> wrote:
>Peter,
>Please show proof that MMR never contained Thimerosal ?
>Then perhaps if you can, then you can be a star witness in all the court
>cases like friends Barret/Polevoy et al.
>
>From what I have read it Thimerosal was used.


From what you have read, written by people just as ignorant as you.

Thimerosal couldn't have been used -- it would have inactivated the
vaccine.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)




>"Peter Bowditch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>>
>> >The court is currently hearing approximately 1,000 claims brought by the
>> >families of autistic children. The suits charge that the

>measles-mumps-rubella
>> >(MMR) vaccine, which until recently included a mercury-containing

>preservative
>> >known as thimerosal, can cause neurological damage leading to autism.

>>
>> MMR has never contained thimerosal. Why do these lawyers have to keep
>> repeating this lie?
>>
>> --
>> Peter Bowditch
>> The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
>> The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
>> and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and

>C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
>> To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

>