MOAB explodes!

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>As well as does any bomb that weighs as much as 9 of my cars. Is

this

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the

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>type of bomb that is similar in damage to one big ass frag grenade?

I

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>remember hearing something about the daisy cutters blowing shrapnel

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>large areas, a hideous weapon.

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of the initial concussion for the bulk of its damage...

The new bomb is the same as the old bomb.

The new bomb is different in its size and guidance system. That said, it is similar in that it is
a designed to create a lateral blast with ~1,000 psi overpressure developed near ground zero. It
is also similar since it is a GSX slurry device and not an FAE.

BLU-82 is not a fuel air explosive, it also uses a slurry mix. It's contents are contained until the
charge detonates the explosives.

The difference? It has more explosives/heavier and is somewhat smart (see JDAM) Not entirely a smart
bomb per se since it cannot steer away or acquire a new target but uses satellites to help guide
it's gravity fed and not rocket propelled fall.

Lance

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The MOAB's massive explosive punch, sources say, is similar to a small nuclear weapon.

According to military sources, the MOAB also produces a mushroom cloud. Between it, and the
initial shock wave from the explosion, the weapon

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significant psychological warfare impact...

As well as does any bomb that weighs as much as 9 of my cars. Is this the type of bomb that is
similar in damage to one big ass frag grenade?

BLU-82's and the newer MOAB are lateral blast/air burst weapons. Of course there will be some casing
fragments, but the power of the weapon is overpressure.

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I remember hearing something about the daisy cutters blowing shrapnel over large areas, a
hideous weapon.

Any device as large as a BLU-82 or larger is going to throw a lot of fragments. There really is no
such thing as a pretty bomb. If you think MOAB and BLU 82's are ugly, try a CBU-75 Sadeye equipped
with BLU-26 submunition.

The CBU-75 Sadeye is a cluster bomb unit that can be filled with 1,800 one pound bomblets, such as
the BLU-26. The BLU-26, in turn,is a cast steel shell with aerodynamic vanes and ~.7 pound of TNT in
which 600 razor-sharp steel shards are imbedded. The BLU-26 can be equipped to explode upon impact,
to explode several yards above ground, or to explode some time after landing. Anything with
flechettes is ugly.

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I also thought they were outlawed in a treaty??

Chemical weapons where banned, but many countries have worked with/ developed them, and most train
for there use.

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Hmm...and what happens when uneducated military personell on the other side think the MOAB
explosion is actually a nuclear explosion and launch a nuclear counter-attack? 🙁

Why, we all know that Saddam has no nukes. After all, he said so.

That and the fact that the UN have shown the US / UK 'intelligence' about Iraq trying to purchase
nuclear was fabricated.

I'm sure if he had nukes then we'd have our pink copy of the invoice around here somewhere. Maybe
the warranty card or something.

Andy Chequer.

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>Hmm...and what happens when uneducated military personell on the other side think the MOAB
>explosion is actually a nuclear explosion and

launch

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Why, we all know that Saddam has no nukes. After all, he said so.

That and the fact that the UN have shown the US / UK 'intelligence' about Iraq trying to
purchase nuclear was fabricated.

I'm sure if he had nukes then we'd have our pink copy of the invoice

around

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here somewhere. Maybe the warranty card or something.

Heheheheh - so funny, yet so sad......

Shaun aRe - is it 'our' turn to be in the right again?!?

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Hmm...and what happens when uneducated military personell on the other side think the MOAB
explosion is actually a nuclear explosion and launch a nuclear counter-attack? 🙁

Being in the Iraqi military != uneducated. The military leaders know what is and what is not a
nucelear explosion.

Besides, it's irrelevent in the case of Iraq. They don't have nuclear capabilities and the stories
of Saddam trying to buy uranium were completely fabricated by US and UK intelligence.

Actually Iraq bought over 200 tons of Uranium from Portugal, the portuguese foreign minister at the
time has admited as much in a recent TV interview.

Tom

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>Hmm...and what happens when uneducated military personell on the other side think the MOAB
>explosion is actually a nuclear explosion and

launch

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>a nuclear counter-attack? 🙁

Being in the Iraqi military != uneducated. The military leaders know

what is

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and what is not a nucelear explosion.

Besides, it's irrelevent in the case of Iraq. They don't have nuclear capabilities and the
stories of Saddam trying to buy uranium were completely fabricated by US and UK intelligence.

Actually Iraq bought over 200 tons of Uranium from Portugal, the portuguese foreign minister at
the time has admited as much in a recent TV interview.

He was bankrolled to say that lie with guv'mint funds.

Shaun aRe - I heard it on the telly.

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Pete wrote:

>>Hmm...and what happens when uneducated military personell on the other side think the MOAB
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what is

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>and what is not a nucelear explosion.

Besides, it's irrelevent in the case of Iraq. They don't have nuclear capabilities and the
stories of Saddam trying to buy uranium were completely fabricated by US and UK intelligence.

Actually Iraq bought over 200 tons of Uranium from Portugal, the portuguese foreign minister at
the time has admited as much in a recent TV interview.

He was bankrolled to say that lie with guv'mint funds.

Ahh sooo.... THAT is why Don Johnson was stopped last year while travelling from Switzerland to
Germany and officials discovered almost $5 billion in share certificates, cheques, credit notes and
bonds in his possession.

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> >As well as does any bomb that weighs as much as 9 of my cars. Is

this the

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> >type of bomb that is similar in damage to one big ass frag grenade?

I

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> I'd have to double check, but I believe the newer bomb relies more on

the force

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> of the initial concussion for the bulk of its damage...

The new bomb is the same as the old bomb.

The new bomb is different in its size and guidance system. That said, it is similar in that it
is a designed to create a lateral blast with ~1,000 psi overpressure developed near ground zero.
It is also similar since it is a GSX slurry device and not an FAE.

BLU-82 is not a fuel air explosive, it also uses a slurry mix. It's contents are contained until
the charge detonates the explosives.

Glad we both know our energetic materials. Like I said, the MOAB is "similar since it is a GSX
slurry device and not an FAE."

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The difference? It has more explosives/heavier and is somewhat smart (see JDAM) Not entirely a
smart bomb per se since it cannot steer away or acquire a new target but uses satellites to help
guide it's gravity fed and not rocket propelled fall.

Good to know that we both know our weapon quidance and delivery systems. I left it at "The new bomb
is different in its size and guidance system."

All of that being said, it looks like yesterdays test was "successful." Not that I saw it ... it's
mainly Areojet testing around these parts.

Reco

John G:

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Tom Bishop;

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Actually Iraq bought over 200 tons of Uranium from Portugal, the portuguese foreign minister at
the time has admited as much in a recent TV interview.

He was bankrolled to say that lie with guv'mint funds.

Ahh sooo.... THAT is why Don Johnson was stopped last year while travelling from Switzerland to
Germany and officials discovered almost $5 billion in share certificates, cheques, credit notes
and bonds in his possession.

Yup....prolly....who TF is Don Johnson?!?!?!?

Shaun aRe - It's a conspiralcy!

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Ahh sooo.... THAT is why Don Johnson was stopped last year while travelling from Switzerland to
Germany and officials discovered almost $5 billion in share certificates, cheques, credit notes
and bonds in his possession.

Yup....prolly....who TF is Don Johnson?!?!?!?

He was a cop in Miami Vice.

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Ahh sooo.... THAT is why Don Johnson was stopped last year while travelling from Switzerland to
Germany and officials discovered almost $5 billion in share certificates, cheques, credit notes
and bonds in his possession.

Yup....prolly....who TF is Don Johnson?!?!?!?

He was a cop in Miami Vice.

Aye, but WTF has that gotta do wiv guvmint bribes?!?

Shaun aRe

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>Ahh sooo.... THAT is why Don Johnson was stopped last year while travelling from Switzerland to
>Germany and officials discovered almost $5 billion in share certificates, cheques, credit notes
>and bonds in his possession.

Yup....prolly....who TF is Don Johnson?!?!?!?

He was a cop in Miami Vice.

Aye, but WTF has that gotta do wiv guvmint bribes?!?

Why else would a has-been actor be traveling between countries with 5_BILLION_DOLLARS of tangible
assets a suitcase?

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> > >As well as does any bomb that weighs as much as 9 of my cars. Is

this the

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grenade?

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shrapnel

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on

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the force

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The new bomb is different in its size and guidance system. That said, it is similar in that it
is a designed to create a lateral blast with ~1,000 psi overpressure developed near ground
zero. It is also similar since it is a GSX slurry device and not an FAE.

BLU-82 is not a fuel air explosive, it also uses a slurry mix. It's contents are contained until
the charge detonates the explosives.

Glad we both know our energetic materials. Like I said, the MOAB is "similar since it is a GSX
slurry device and not an FAE."

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The difference? It has more explosives/heavier and is somewhat smart

(see

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JDAM) Not entirely a smart bomb per se since it cannot steer away or

acquire

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a new target but uses satellites to help guide it's gravity fed and not rocket propelled fall.

Good to know that we both know our weapon quidance and delivery systems. I left it at "The new
bomb is different in its size and guidance system."

All of that being said, it looks like yesterdays test was "successful." Not that I saw it ... it's
mainly Areojet testing around these parts.

Reco

Same - I'm waiting for some results, pictures, BDA, etc.

Lance

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>Yup....prolly....who TF is Don Johnson?!?!?!?

He was a cop in Miami Vice.

Aye, but WTF has that gotta do wiv guvmint bribes?!?

Why else would a has-been actor be traveling between countries with 5_BILLION_DOLLARS of tangible
assets a suitcase?

Because he couldn't fit them up his sleeve?!?

Bill "ya see, cuz his sleeve is rolled up... Oy." S.

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Why, we all know that Saddam has no nukes. After all, he said so.

That and the fact that the UN have shown the US / UK 'intelligence' about Iraq trying to purchase
nuclear was fabricated.

Last summer there was a red cross nurse reporting to Geneva that a guy from the Ukraine was in
hospital in Bagdad dying of severe radiation burns around his hip and genitals. It was whispered
he'd stolen radioactive material and travelled on several airlines with an unshielded sample in his
trouser pocket. Perhaps its a new urban myth!

I joined the thread late, but in case no one brought it up, there are a few people in Moab who are
not pleased by the name of the bomb. They asked the congressional delegation to ask the DOD to
change the name. Moab is a relatively liberal part of Utah. Stories in recent issues of sltrib.com.

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I joined the thread late, but in case no one brought it up, there are a few people in Moab who are
not pleased by the name of the bomb. They asked the congressional delegation to ask the DOD to
change the name. Moab is a relatively liberal part of Utah. Stories in recent issues of
sltrib.com.

Better late than never, Mr Wallace. I found that article highly amusing, PC thugs in Moab and to
think the test was in Florida. I say Tango Sierra for the denizens of Moab and their whiny BS.

JD

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Pete wrote:

>>Hmm...and what happens when uneducated military personell on the other side think the MOAB
>>explosion is actually a nuclear explosion and

launch

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> Being in the Iraqi military != uneducated. The military leaders know

what is

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> and what is not a nucelear explosion.

Besides, it's irrelevent in the case of Iraq. They don't have nuclear capabilities and the
stories of Saddam trying to buy uranium were completely fabricated by US and UK intelligence.

Actually Iraq bought over 200 tons of Uranium from Portugal, the portuguese foreign minister at
the time has admited as much in a recent TV interview.

He was bankrolled to say that lie with guv'mint funds.

Considering he is a member of the leftist party now out of power and for the most part a very
anti-American man I fail to see your logic.

Tom

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>>Ahh sooo.... THAT is why Don Johnson was stopped last year while travelling from Switzerland
>>to Germany and officials discovered almost $5 billion in share certificates, cheques, credit
>>notes and bonds in

his

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>Yup....prolly....who TF is Don Johnson?!?!?!?

He was a cop in Miami Vice.

Aye, but WTF has that gotta do wiv guvmint bribes?!?

Why else would a has-been actor be traveling between countries with 5_BILLION_DOLLARS of tangible
assets a suitcase?

To buy many bratwurst of course.

Shaun aRe

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nuclear

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> capabilities and the stories of Saddam trying to buy uranium were completely fabricated by
> US and UK intelligence.

Actually Iraq bought over 200 tons of Uranium from Portugal, the portuguese foreign minister
at the time has admited as much in a recent TV interview.

He was bankrolled to say that lie with guv'mint funds.

Considering he is a member of the leftist party now out of power and for the most part a very
anti-American man I fail to see your logic.

Yeah, everyone is anti-something until you drop a few million$'s on 'em.

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