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  1. Wed 15 Oct 2003

    http://www.news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2053391

    11:21am (UK)
    Minister Accuses Media of MMR Scare Tactics

    By Chris Moncrieff, PA News

    People who have used the MMR vaccine controversy as a political football
    should be ashamed of themselves, Health and Social Care Minister Stephen
    Ladyman said today.

    And he accused the British press as being "absolutely awful at handling
    science".

    Dr Ladyman, interviewed on the ePolitix.com website, said: "It's only
    interested in reporting science when it's either 'shock horror' stories or
    the 'breakthrough imminent' type.

    "And it is certainly not interested in reporting the detail of scientific
    reports."

    He said there were very complex arguments involved in MMR and the reasons
    why they wanted to vaccinate with MMR.

    "Unfortunately it is very difficult to get them over in the media, who would
    much rather give pages and pages of room to speculation and
    misinterpretations of scientific evidence, rather than to deal with the real
    evidence."

    Dr Ladyman was asked why he thought there was more of a public scare in this
    country than in other countries that use MMR.

    He said: "I think in those countries their media is sometimes more
    responsible about dealing with scare stories. And I have to say there is a
    certain amount of leaping on a political bandwagon when it came to MMR. It
    was seen by certain people with a right-wing agenda in this country as an
    opportunity to attack the Prime Minister and the Labour Government.

    "It is disgraceful the way they leapt on to the bandwagon and tried to
    exploit it, and certain parts of the media wanted to help them do that.

    "The consequences are that the people who did that will have inflicted
    serious damage on many people in our community."

    He went on: "People who have used it as a political football should be
    ashamed of themselves."

    Dr Ladyman was also asked how he responded to criticism that increased
    regulation in the care sector was causing the closure of care homes, and
    therefore increased bed blocking.

    He replied: "I'd say that's the biggest load of cobblers that anybody has
    put to me."

  2. some of these propaganda merchants really try hard to insult ones
    intelligence, but seeing how stupid and uninformed most people
    willingly are it must be tempting to see how far you can push it. it
    is a bit much to have a go at your own outlets of propaganda

    john

    "The evidence that vaccines are a major cause of the increase comes
    from a number of directions. One direction that's been largely ignored
    are the laboratory studies. There are at least seven laboratory
    studies, clinical studies, of blood, cerebral, spinal fluid, biopsies
    of autistic children which show huge differences between autistic
    children and normal children in terms of the presence of things like
    measles vaccine virus in their intestinal tract, for example, or their
    neurons. So, there's one line of evidence. Another, of course, is
    that we have data from thousands of parents who testify, often with
    videotapes and photographs and eyewitness reports, that their kid was
    perfectly normal. And they can demonstrate it, as I say, very
    conclusively with tapes until after the vaccine. The kid retreated
    into autism. There's just converging evidence from many, many
    directions."-- (Nov 2002) Bernard Rimland PhD

    "Markasurus Probertasaurus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Wed 15 Oct 2003

    http://www.news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2053391

    11:21am (UK)
    Minister Accuses Media of MMR Scare Tactics

    By Chris Moncrieff, PA News

    People who have used the MMR vaccine controversy as a political football
    should be ashamed of themselves, Health and Social Care Minister Stephen
    Ladyman said today.

    And he accused the British press as being "absolutely awful at handling
    science".

    Dr Ladyman, interviewed on the ePolitix.com website, said: "It's only
    interested in reporting science when it's either 'shock horror' stories or
    the 'breakthrough imminent' type.

    "And it is certainly not interested in reporting the detail of scientific
    reports."

    He said there were very complex arguments involved in MMR and the reasons
    why they wanted to vaccinate with MMR.

    "Unfortunately it is very difficult to get them over in the media, who would
    much rather give pages and pages of room to speculation and
    misinterpretations of scientific evidence, rather than to deal with the real
    evidence."

    Dr Ladyman was asked why he thought there was more of a public scare in this
    country than in other countries that use MMR.

    He said: "I think in those countries their media is sometimes more
    responsible about dealing with scare stories. And I have to say there is a
    certain amount of leaping on a political bandwagon when it came to MMR. It
    was seen by certain people with a right-wing agenda in this country as an
    opportunity to attack the Prime Minister and the Labour Government.

    "It is disgraceful the way they leapt on to the bandwagon and tried to
    exploit it, and certain parts of the media wanted to help them do that.

    "The consequences are that the people who did that will have inflicted
    serious damage on many people in our community."

    He went on: "People who have used it as a political football should be
    ashamed of themselves."

    Dr Ladyman was also asked how he responded to criticism that increased
    regulation in the care sector was causing the closure of care homes, and
    therefore increased bed blocking.

    He replied: "I'd say that's the biggest load of cobblers that anybody has
    put to me."

  3. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    some of these propaganda merchants really try hard to insult ones
    intelligence, but seeing how stupid and uninformed most people
    willingly are it must be tempting to see how far you can push it. it
    is a bit much to have a go at your own outlets of propaganda

    Yeah, I know what you mean. There is one stupid guy who has this web site
    called whale to. He puts the most stupid stuff on it. Sadly, there are
    people who believe his [censored].

    Quoted message said:

    john

    "The evidence that vaccines are a major cause of the increase comes
    from a number of directions. One direction that's been largely ignored
    are the laboratory studies. There are at least seven laboratory
    studies, clinical studies, of blood, cerebral, spinal fluid, biopsies
    of autistic children which show huge differences between autistic
    children and normal children in terms of the presence of things like
    measles vaccine virus in their intestinal tract, for example, or their
    neurons. So, there's one line of evidence. Another, of course, is
    that we have data from thousands of parents who testify, often with
    videotapes and photographs and eyewitness reports, that their kid was
    perfectly normal. And they can demonstrate it, as I say, very
    conclusively with tapes until after the vaccine. The kid retreated
    into autism. There's just converging evidence from many, many
    directions."-- (Nov 2002) Bernard Rimland PhD

    Rimland is another example. Funny thing is that when experts examine the
    video tapes Rimland talks about (of supposedly normal behavior), they are
    able to see some signs that the kids are not normal. They don't seen these
    signs in kids who don't develop autism nearly as often. And they look at the
    videos without knowing if the kids turn out normal or not. Rimland should
    also know that epidemiological studies show that there is no increase in
    autism in kids who got the vaccine compared to those who didn't. And some
    studies even find lower rates of autism amoungst kids who got the vaccine.
    And Rimland should also know that the CSF does not have many brain cells
    (neurons) in it and that the digestive tract is not part of the brain.

    I feel sorry for the people who listen to people like Rimland and who waste
    their efforts on the beleif that autism is caused by vaccines when studies
    have repeatedly shown this is very unlikely, at best. Instead, I wish they
    would work on things that do make a difference, like finding the real causes
    of autism and getting proper help for the people affected by autism.

    Jeff

    Quoted message said:

    "Markasurus Probertasaurus" <[email hidden]> wrote in


    message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Wed 15 Oct 2003

    http://www.news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2053391

    11:21am (UK)
    Minister Accuses Media of MMR Scare Tactics

    By Chris Moncrieff, PA News

    People who have used the MMR vaccine controversy as a political football
    should be ashamed of themselves, Health and Social Care Minister Stephen
    Ladyman said today.

    And he accused the British press as being "absolutely awful at handling
    science".

    Dr Ladyman, interviewed on the ePolitix.com website, said: "It's only
    interested in reporting science when it's either 'shock horror' stories


    or

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    the 'breakthrough imminent' type.

    "And it is certainly not interested in reporting the detail of


    scientific

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    reports."

    He said there were very complex arguments involved in MMR and the


    reasons

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    why they wanted to vaccinate with MMR.

    "Unfortunately it is very difficult to get them over in the media, who


    would

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    much rather give pages and pages of room to speculation and
    misinterpretations of scientific evidence, rather than to deal with the


    real

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    evidence."

    Dr Ladyman was asked why he thought there was more of a public scare in


    this

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    country than in other countries that use MMR.

    He said: "I think in those countries their media is sometimes more
    responsible about dealing with scare stories. And I have to say there is


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    certain amount of leaping on a political bandwagon when it came to MMR.


    It

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    was seen by certain people with a right-wing agenda in this country as


    an

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    opportunity to attack the Prime Minister and the Labour Government.

    "It is disgraceful the way they leapt on to the bandwagon and tried to
    exploit it, and certain parts of the media wanted to help them do that.

    "The consequences are that the people who did that will have inflicted
    serious damage on many people in our community."

    He went on: "People who have used it as a political football should be
    ashamed of themselves."

    Dr Ladyman was also asked how he responded to criticism that increased
    regulation in the care sector was causing the closure of care homes, and
    therefore increased bed blocking.

    He replied: "I'd say that's the biggest load of cobblers that anybody


    has

    Quoted message said:
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    put to me."

  4. "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:bn7ecj
    [email hidden]:

    Jeff,

    I normally don't top post, but I feel that this warrants it.

    Here are some headlines about vaccines.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    "New Evidence Breast Cancer Vaccine Works
    Micki Flowers KIRO 7 Eyewitness News Health Reporter

    POSTED: 4:21 p.m. PDT October 22, 2003
    UPDATED: 4:22 p.m. PDT October 22, 2003
    There's mounting evidence that an experimental vaccine may be an effective
    weapon against breast cancer.

    MORE ON THIS STORY
    More Breast Cancer Information from the American Cancer Society
    News Release On The Study
    Clinical Trials At The Hutch

    Researchers hope someday to prevent breast cancer in healthy women."

    Full article at http://www.kirotv.com/health/2574587/detail.html.

    --------------------------------------------------------------

    "Breast cancer vaccine shows promise
    Experimental treatment may prevent recurrence of disease

    ASSOCIATED PRESS
    Oct. 22 — After five major surgeries for a particularly aggressive form of
    breast cancer, Patricia Thomas called the little pinprick she received in
    a government study the simplest procedure she’s undergone. That pinprick
    above her knee was an experimental vaccine derived from tiny bits of tumor
    protein that researchers hope will keep the 70-year-old Arlington, Va.,
    woman’s cancer from returning."

    Full article at http://www.msnbc.com/news/983616.asp?0cv=HA00

    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    Researchers hail skin cancer 'vaccine'
    (Filed: 01/10/2003)

    One of the world's first cancer "vaccines" is to be tested on people for
    the first time.

    The treatment is being hailed as the "closest thing yet" to a cure for
    skin cancer.

    Full article at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/main.jhtml?
    view=DETAILS&grid=P8&targetRule=10&xml=%2Fhealth%2F2003%2F10%2F08%
    2Fhcanc01.xml

    -----------------------------------------------------

    For more articles do a google news search using the words "cancer
    vaccine".

    I can't wait for the anti-vac wackos to start their lies.

    r

    Quoted message said:


    "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    some of these propaganda merchants really try hard to insult ones
    intelligence, but seeing how stupid and uninformed most people
    willingly are it must be tempting to see how far you can push it. it
    is a bit much to have a go at your own outlets of propaganda

    Yeah, I know what you mean. There is one stupid guy who has this web


    site

    Quoted message said:

    called whale to. He puts the most stupid stuff on it. Sadly, there are
    people who believe his [censored].

    Quoted message said:

    john

    "The evidence that vaccines are a major cause of the increase comes
    from a number of directions. One direction that's been largely ignored
    are the laboratory studies. There are at least seven laboratory
    studies, clinical studies, of blood, cerebral, spinal fluid, biopsies
    of autistic children which show huge differences between autistic
    children and normal children in terms of the presence of things like
    measles vaccine virus in their intestinal tract, for example, or their
    neurons. So, there's one line of evidence. Another, of course, is
    that we have data from thousands of parents who testify, often with
    videotapes and photographs and eyewitness reports, that their kid was
    perfectly normal. And they can demonstrate it, as I say, very
    conclusively with tapes until after the vaccine. The kid retreated
    into autism. There's just converging evidence from many, many
    directions."-- (Nov 2002) Bernard Rimland PhD

    Rimland is another example. Funny thing is that when experts examine the
    video tapes Rimland talks about (of supposedly normal behavior), they


    are

    Quoted message said:

    able to see some signs that the kids are not normal. They don't seen


    these

    Quoted message said:

    signs in kids who don't develop autism nearly as often. And they look at


    the

    Quoted message said:

    videos without knowing if the kids turn out normal or not. Rimland


    should

    Quoted message said:

    also know that epidemiological studies show that there is no increase in
    autism in kids who got the vaccine compared to those who didn't. And


    some

    Quoted message said:

    studies even find lower rates of autism amoungst kids who got the


    vaccine.

    Quoted message said:

    And Rimland should also know that the CSF does not have many brain cells
    (neurons) in it and that the digestive tract is not part of the brain.

    I feel sorry for the people who listen to people like Rimland and who


    waste

    Quoted message said:

    their efforts on the beleif that autism is caused by vaccines when


    studies

    Quoted message said:

    have repeatedly shown this is very unlikely, at best. Instead, I wish


    they

    Quoted message said:

    would work on things that do make a difference, like finding the real


    causes

    Quoted message said:

    of autism and getting proper help for the people affected by autism.

    Jeff

    Quoted message said:

    "Markasurus Probertasaurus" <[email hidden]> wrote in


    message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Wed 15 Oct 2003

    http://www.news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2053391

    11:21am (UK)
    Minister Accuses Media of MMR Scare Tactics

    By Chris Moncrieff, PA News

    People who have used the MMR vaccine controversy as a political


    football

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    should be ashamed of themselves, Health and Social Care Minister


    Stephen

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Ladyman said today.

    And he accused the British press as being "absolutely awful at


    handling

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    science".

    Dr Ladyman, interviewed on the ePolitix.com website, said: "It's only
    interested in reporting science when it's either 'shock horror'


    stories

    Quoted message said:

    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the 'breakthrough imminent' type.

    "And it is certainly not interested in reporting the detail of


    scientific

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    reports."

    He said there were very complex arguments involved in MMR and the


    reasons

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    why they wanted to vaccinate with MMR.

    "Unfortunately it is very difficult to get them over in the media,


    who

    Quoted message said:

    would

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    much rather give pages and pages of room to speculation and
    misinterpretations of scientific evidence, rather than to deal with


    the

    Quoted message said:

    real

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    evidence."

    Dr Ladyman was asked why he thought there was more of a public scare


    in

    Quoted message said:

    this

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    country than in other countries that use MMR.

    He said: "I think in those countries their media is sometimes more
    responsible about dealing with scare stories. And I have to say there


    is

    Quoted message said:

    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    certain amount of leaping on a political bandwagon when it came to


    MMR.

    Quoted message said:

    It

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    was seen by certain people with a right-wing agenda in this country


    as

    Quoted message said:

    an

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    opportunity to attack the Prime Minister and the Labour Government.

    "It is disgraceful the way they leapt on to the bandwagon and tried


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    exploit it, and certain parts of the media wanted to help them do


    that.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    "The consequences are that the people who did that will have


    inflicted

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    serious damage on many people in our community."

    He went on: "People who have used it as a political football should


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ashamed of themselves."

    Dr Ladyman was also asked how he responded to criticism that


    increased

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    regulation in the care sector was causing the closure of care homes,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    therefore increased bed blocking.

    He replied: "I'd say that's the biggest load of cobblers that anybody


    has

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    put to me."

    --
    Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

  5. I just read an article in a recent Economist magazine that mentioned
    off-handedly that 26% of the HIV positive children had HIV negative
    mothers. The article was about how poor the health care system is in
    Africa and how important it is to bring your OWN needles if you are
    travelling there.

    MMR definitely kills if you use an infected needle to give the dose.

    Wendy, still stunned

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