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Minitram hazard!

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  1. Full article below but note:

    "Bradford Council said the low-emission vehicle was narrow enough [...]
    even share wide cycle lanes."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/4307300.stm

    Minitram scheme gets city moving

    A battery-powered minitram has taken to the streets of Bradford to help
    people get around the city more easily.

    The vehicle runs on tyres, not tracks, and can be driven manually or by
    an underground electronic guidance system.

    The six-week pilot scheme is offering free transport in the city centre
    and between the two train stations for up to five hours a day, six days
    a week.

    If successful, the minitram service could be extended and introduced on
    a permanent basis in 2008.

    The £50,000 scheme is being funded by Bradford Council and public
    transport provider Metro.

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    They are expected to decide on the future of the pilot in the new year,
    following public consultation.

    Bradford Council said the low-emission vehicle was narrow enough to
    travel on historic roads that conventional buses could not use and could
    even share wide cycle lanes.

    The minitram being used in the trial can transport up to 30 people and
    one wheelchair user.

    "We shall use this trial period to see what benefits this type of
    vehicle brings," said Metro's deputy chairman Councillor Stanley King.

    "We hope that in the future we will be able to have proper electronic
    guidance so that the vehicle has more of the character of a tram and
    that it will provide a permanent link between the city's two rail
    stations."

  2. Quoted message said:

    "Bradford Council said the low-emission vehicle was narrow
    enough [...] even share wide cycle lanes."

    As the narrow-body minitram is 1.75m wide
    (http://www.tdi.uk.com/minitram%20page.htm), you'd want some fairly
    wide cycle lanes (that's about the same width as a family saloon)

  3. On Warrington Cycle Campaign's website, there's a strong argument why
    they oppose any cycle lanes less than 2m wide:
    http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co.uk/WarringtonCycleCampaign/policy/cycle-lanes.htm

    if that gets munged, go to
    http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.co.uk/
    and click on policy.

  4. iakobski said:

    On Warrington Cycle Campaign's website, there's a strong argument why
    they oppose any cycle lanes less than 2m wide:
    http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co.uk/WarringtonCycleCampaign/policy/cycle-lanes.htm

    Oh I don't know, this one in Oxford is equally useful to bicycles and
    minitrams
    http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co.uk/WarringtonCycleCampaign/facility-of-the-month/October2005.htm
    while this one in Leeds is specially designed for minitrams
    http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co.uk/WarringtonCycleCampaign/facility-of-the-month/August2005.htm

    --
    Tony

    "I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
    Anon

  5. Tony Raven <[email hidden]> wrote:
    | Oh I don't know, this one in Oxford is equally useful to bicycles and
    | minitrams
    | http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co.uk/WarringtonCycleCampaign/facility-of-the-month/October2005.htm

    There's a story to those road markings, and I claim some small part in
    causing them to come about. We have a lot of funny road art in Oxford.

    Wolfson College has a sizeable cycle population, and a reasonable number
    of journeys per day (into and out of town, about a mile or two). The
    first phase of traffic calming near us (in Linton Road) consisted of some
    rather abrupt, rectangular and sharp-sided tarmac road humps. They were
    rather difficult to negotiate on a bicycle at anything more than walking
    pace, and the one near the junftion with Northmoor Road is so placed as
    to make it impossible for all but the most confident of balancers give
    any sort of right-turn signal at anything like the right sort of distance
    from the junction.

    When the traffic calming was being extended to the only other road leading
    to the College (the route through Bardwell Road and Chadlington Road) I
    pointed out to the City Council engineer the deficiencies of the first
    phase humps. The result was a set of smoother sinusoidal humps with very
    shallow edges in the yard or so at either side of the road, to make for
    an almost flat route for cycles, and markings to try to prevent traffic
    from parking on these shallow shoulders.

    Now, at the time, there were no parking restriction orders in force in the
    area of Barwell and Linton Roads (although there now are) so the markings
    at these humps were not yellow lines, but "mandatory cycle lanes". The
    picture in October2005.htm is of a cycle lane marking at the approach to
    a speed table in a junction on Bardwell Road. For some reason each of
    the junction speed tables, although they don't have flat shoulders, also
    have these markings at them. There are somewhere between six to ten of
    these short "mandatory cycle lanes" on each side of Chadlington and
    Bardwell Roads, occupying somewhere between a third and half of the road
    length. The ones at the humps probably look funnier than the one in the
    picture, but are also probably easier to explain. There is one where a
    hump was put in and then take out again; the markings were reinstated
    after the hump was removed.

    Needless to say, it makes not a jot of difference to where the Dragon
    School school-run 4x4 mothers park. They use the junctions for double
    parking.

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