Mike Vandeman

I think Vandeman is a shill for the mountain bike industry. Anyone who reads his rants will find
them irrational to borderline insane. These views cannot possibly be representative of any
intelligent environmental organization, so should be completely discounted. Instead, beginners want
to see what the fuss is all about and try out mountain biking for themselves. It turns out to be a
great way for families to enjoy nature and get some exercise together, without burning gasoline.
Vandeman is just providing advertising for mountain bikes and it works. Ride on.

On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:44:41 GMT, "Mr. E. Mann" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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alt.mountain-bike:373081 . .Actually, Every time this guy posts, I'm going to go out and kill a
plant. .I'm going to rip it up by it's roots and tear it to pieces. That way, every .time he posts,
HE will be the one causing damage to nature. If that doesn't .work I'm going to find him and rip him
up by his roots and grind him to .pieces. . . [email hidden] (Ellsworth Truth) wrote in
.:"]news:[email hidden]: . .> My recommendation to everyone other than
Mr. Vandeman would be to .> simply ignore his postings. The best response to his viewpoints is NO .>
RESPONSE. Nothing would disappoint him more than to see his postings .> get no replies. By engaging
him, you are giving him what he wants. .> Besides, he'll have more time to raise funds for his
wildlife preserve .> if he spends less time venting his rage here. .> .> You're not going to change
his mind, and he's not going to change .> your's. Better to just let him sit in front of his
computer and .> stress. Turn your's off and go for a ride! .>

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:46:26 GMT, "Mr. E. Mann" <[email hidden]> wrote:

.Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote in .Hey Mike, . .Whay don't yo8u do something to prevent
overpopulation of the eah. You can .start by sticking a gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger. .
.:"]news:[email hidden]: . .> On 25 Feb 2003 09:16:26 -0800,
[email hidden] (Ellsworth Truth) .> wrote: .> .> .My recommendation to everyone other than Mr.
Vandeman would be to .> .simply ignore his postings. .> .> How original. 🙂 But how come you can't
even take your own advice, .> hypocrite? .> .> The best response to his viewpoints is NO .>
.RESPONSE. Nothing would disappoint him more than to see his postings .> .get no replies. .> .>
Nonsense. That is the best of all possible worlds: no one to refute .> me! Either way, I win! .> .>
. By engaging him, you are giving him what he wants. .> .> You obviously haven't a clue what I want,
even though I spell it out .> in black and white on my web site. .> .> .Besides, he'll have more
time to raise funds for his wildlife .> preserve .if he spends less time venting his rage here. .> .
.> .You're not going to change his mind, and he's not going to change .> .your's. Better to just let
him sit in front of his computer and .> .stress. Turn your's off and go for a ride! .> .>=== .> I am
working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to .> humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help?
(I spent the previous 8 .> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) .> .>
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:09:55 -0000, "Shaun Rimmer" <[email hidden]> wrote:

. .Mr. E. Mann <[email hidden]> wrote in message ."]news:[email hidden]... .>
Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote in .> Hey Mike, .> .> Whay don't yo8u do something to
prevent overpopulation of the eah. You can .> start by sticking a gun in your mouth and pulling the
trigger. . . .Why don't you just get a grip, you over-reacting sorry son of a [censored] .turd - FFS,
what are you, some kind enraged hormonal teenager or something?

No, just a typical mountain biker.

. .Shaun aRe . .

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On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:39:49 GMT, "Mr. E. Mann" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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<[email hidden]> wrote in .:"]news:[email hidden]: . .> Mr. E. Mann
<[email hidden]> wrote in message .> "]news:[email hidden]... .>> Mike Vandeman
<[email hidden]> wrote in .>> Hey Mike, .>> .>> Whay don't yo8u do something to prevent
overpopulation of the eah. .>> You can start by sticking a gun in your mouth and pulling the .>>
trigger. .> .> .> Why don't you just get a grip, you over-reacting sorry son of a .> [censored] turd -
FFS, what are you, some kind enraged hormonal teenager .> or something? .> .>

.> .> Shaun aRe .> .> . .I was going to apologize for over reacting, but after reading you reply.

. .Honestly, I could care less if this guy sticks a gun in his mouth an pulls .the trigger or if
someone else does it for him. These little groups of .turds are ruining our country and taking away
our freedoms and protesting .our attempts to free a people that have been treated like [censored] by their
.government while the UN sat around with their thumbs up their asses. The .next time one of these
guys clibs a tree to prevent it from being cut down, .cut it down anyway. Next time they protest by
putting their arms together .through metal tubes, cut their arms off. Next time they lay down in the
.street to protest something... anything, run them over! They'll get the .hint eventually.

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On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:57:02 +0000 (UTC), Laura Bush <[email hidden]> wrote:

.I think Vandeman is a shill for the mountain bike industry. Anyone who reads .his rants will find
them irrational to borderline insane. These views cannot .possibly be representative of any
intelligent environmental organization, so .should be completely discounted. Instead, beginners want
to see what the .fuss is all about and try out mountain biking for themselves. It turns out .to be a
great way for families to enjoy nature

You mean "destroy nature". Tell the truth.

and get some exercise .together, without burning gasoline.

BS. They use their SUVs to carry their mountain bikes to the trailhead. Tell the truth.

Vandeman is just providing advertising
.for mountain bikes and it works. Ride on.

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Mike Vandeman said:

Until plants are accorded the status of citizens, the threat you refer to is moot. Purely moot.

Pete H

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Mike Vandeman wrote:

A buncha blather.

Your poster has one point: population pressure is the largest single factor in all economic,
political, theological and environmental problems.

Deal w/ the problem rather than its symptoms & you just might get somewhere.

Treating symptoms w/out focusing on the ailment, as any doctor - or even shrik - will tell you is
fruitless.

Pete H

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Mike Vandeman said:

header, drivel & obscenity snipped... . These little groups of .turds

Which, however, are not identified, named nor specified in any way.

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are ruining our country

no specifics

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and taking away our freedoms

still no specifics

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and protesting .our attempts to free

a relative matter at best and open to conjecture

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a people that have been treated like [censored]

there's no accounting for taste

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by their .government while the UN sat around with their thumbs up their asses.

Hey, if they can do that & not fall over, Cirque du Soiele wants to sign them up!

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The .next time one of these guys clibs a tree to prevent it from being cut down, .cut it
down anyway.

Don't scar the trails, but cut the trees, eh?

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Next time they protest by putting their arms together .through metal tubes, cut their arms off.

How will they operate their digital watches?

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Next time they lay down in the .street to protest something... anything, run them over!

Excessive use of fossil fuels. (I'm assuming here you're not advocating horses which are MOST
reluctant to tread on recumbent beings of any sort.)

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They'll get the
.hint eventually.

So Mikle seems to believe in life after death - and communication with the dead as well, how else to
conffirm whether they do or do not get the hint?

Pete H

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Mike Vandeman said:

On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:57:02 +0000 (UTC), Laura Bush <[email hidden]> wrote:

.I think Vandeman is a shill for the mountain bike industry. It turns out .to be a great way for
families to enjoy nature

You mean "destroy nature". Tell the truth.

Truth? You're redefining commonly used terms to suit your own argument & you blather about some puny
obstacle called "truth"?

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and get some exercise .together, without burning gasoline.

BS. They use their SUVs

Ergo: to own a mountain bike is to own an SUV? If one does not own an SUV, then mayhap, one is
prevented from owning a mountain bike?

Where do these nutso fixations of yours come from?

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to carry their mountain bikes to the trailhead.

Since using (a vehicle) to carry the bike to the trailhead, then the biker, no matter what other
conditions obtain, they get no exercize or, in term of physics, perform no work. By this extension
of your aargument, the second law of thermodynamics is suspended but, it seems, only for mountain
bikers. This is reminiscent of selling/trading indulgences 1,000 years ago.

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Tell the
truth.

You'll apparently nver know the difference.

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Again the delusion over "pure" & how it may apply to human thought.

Take two apsirins & call a shrink in the monring.

Pete H

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"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:57:02 +0000 (UTC), Laura Bush <[email hidden]>

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.I think Vandeman is a shill for the mountain bike industry. Anyone

who reads

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.his rants will find them irrational to borderline insane. These

views cannot

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.possibly be representative of any intelligent environmental

organization, so

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.should be completely discounted. Instead, beginners want to see what

the

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.fuss is all about and try out mountain biking for themselves. It

turns out

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.to be a great way for families to enjoy nature

You mean "destroy nature". Tell the truth.

and get some exercise .together, without burning gasoline.

BS. They use their SUVs to carry their mountain bikes to the

trailhead. Tell the

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truth.

LIE, LIE, LIE,LIE, LIE, LIE,LIE, LIE, LIE,LIE, LIE, LIE,LIE, LIE, LIE,LIE, LIE, LIE,LIE, LIE,
LIE,LIE, LIE, LIE,LIE, LIE, LIE,LIE, LIE, LIE,LIE, LIE, LIE,LIE, LIE, LIE,LIE, LIE, LIE,LIE, LIE,
LIE,LIE, LIE, LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I own a mountain bike ($2,000) and ride it to school (and I am not a chemistry professor, rather a
CS prof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). I neither own an SUV nor any other vehicle capable of transporting my
mountain bike. I use a mountain bike (Rocky Mountain) to go on a gravel road that goes to my
University. Unlike Mike, I can provide proof of the above statements upon request.

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Vandeman is just providing advertising
.for mountain bikes and it works. Ride on.

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"P e t e F a g e r l i n" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| We all really enjoy reading your and Mike's posts.

I find Terri's ineffectual ranting to be more amusing with a visual aid:

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Pete Fagerlin is the ultimate coward. He uses a picture of a recent widow (photographed by the Marin
Independent Journal) defending her dead husband's honor to justify mountain bikers' destruction of
nature. It is not surprising that Fagerlin finds the grief of his enemies amusing. Does '[censored]'
ring a bell? I pity any children or pets under his authority. Terri Alvillar
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Mike Vandeman said:

On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:44:41 GMT, "Mr. E. Mann" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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alt.mountain-bike:373081 . .Actually, Every time this guy posts, I'm going to go out and kill a
plant. .I'm going to rip it up by it's roots and tear it to pieces. That way, every .time he
posts, HE will be the one causing damage to nature. If that doesn't .work I'm going to find him
and rip him up by his roots and grind him to .pieces. . . [email hidden] (Ellsworth Truth)
wrote in .:"]news:[email hidden]: . .> My recommendation to everyone
other than Mr. Vandeman would be to .> simply ignore his postings. The best response to his
viewpoints is NO .> RESPONSE. Nothing would disappoint him more than to see his postings .> get no
replies. By engaging him, you are giving him what he wants. .> Besides, he'll have more time to
raise funds for his wildlife preserve .> if he spends less time venting his rage here. .> .>
You're not going to change his mind, and he's not going to change .> your's. Better to just let
him sit in front of his computer and .> stress. Turn your's off and go for a ride! .>

If you want to prevent plants being ripped up by the roots, then I suggest you abandon
vegetarianism immediately and eat the herbivores instead. Some herbivores are delicious, especially
with A1 steak sauce.

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Tell me, how is your house powered?

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PeterH said:

Mike Vandeman wrote:

A buncha blather.

Your poster has one point: population pressure is the largest single factor in all economic,
political, theological and environmental problems.

Deal w/ the problem rather than its symptoms & you just might get somewhere.

Treating symptoms w/out focusing on the ailment, as any doctor - or even shrik - will tell you is
fruitless.

Pete H

I didn't realise that population pressure posed a theological problem. I must have missed that one
in my religious instruction.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Terri

Alvillar) said:

"P e t e F a g e r l i n" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| We all really enjoy reading your and Mike's posts.

I find Terri's ineffectual ranting to be more amusing with a visual aid:

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Pete Fagerlin is the ultimate coward. He uses a picture of a recent widow (photographed by the
Marin Independent Journal) defending her dead husband's honor

I agree. He should have used a picture of a horse's ass. Far more appropriate.

TD

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Trekkie Dad <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<trekkiedad-

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Pete Fagerlin is the ultimate coward. He uses a picture of a recent widow (photographed by the
Marin Independent Journal) defending her dead husband's honor

I agree. He should have used a picture of a horse's ass. Far more appropriate.

TD

Once again you have proven the truth that the sport of mountain biking attracks some of the vilest
forms of human life. Terri Alvillar

Terri Alvillar said:

Trekkie Dad said:

I agree. He should have used a picture of a horse's ass. Far more appropriate.

Once again you have proven the truth that the sport of mountain biking attracks some of the vilest
forms of human life.

Roadies?

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Terri

Alvillar) said:

"P e t e F a g e r l i n" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

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| We all really enjoy reading your and Mike's posts.

I find Terri's ineffectual ranting to be more amusing with a visual

aid:

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Pete Fagerlin is the ultimate coward. He uses a picture of a recent widow (photographed by the
Marin Independent Journal) defending her dead husband's honor

I agree. He should have used a picture of a horse's ass.

He did.

Bill "vile human" S.

"Terri Alvillar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Trekkie Dad <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<trekkiedad-

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Pete Fagerlin is the ultimate coward. He uses a picture of a recent widow (photographed by the
Marin Independent Journal) defending her dead husband's honor

I agree. He should have used a picture of a horse's ass. Far more appropriate.

TD

Once again you have proven the truth that the sport of mountain biking attracks some of the vilest
forms of human life: Terri Alvillar

You said it!

Bill "finally, a FEMALE groupie to go with Gaydeman" S.

Titan Point said:

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I didn't realise that population pressure posed a theological problem. I must have missed that one
in my religious instruction.

The simplest example is the Roman Catholic position on birth control - notably in areas where births
are out of control.

PH

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