Meridia -- does it work?

teena said:

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Do you think I haven't heard that advice a million times? Do you
honestly think that? If you do, I pity you.

If you have been told that a million times.... do you perhaps think that
they just might have been right??

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I am astounded at you. I remember some overweight celebrity -- was it
Oprah? -- laughing about a nutritionist who told her, "When you are
hungry, just eat carrot sticks instead of Twinkies." We all KNOW
that. Everyone KNOWS that. That advice is worthless. I clearly
haven't been able to follow it and to have it thrown in my face yet
again was irritating, especially when that "advice" came from someone
on a newsgroup with "support" in its title.

Show me where anyone here has told you to eat carrots rather than
Twinkies???

How about bacon and eggs for breakfast, cheese salad for lunch, and a nice
steak for dinner. That is the only advice you are likely to get here.

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If you want
appetite suppressed, you can't do better than low carb because that
is just what it does, with no
side effects.

That is interesting info.

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I suppose you will need to killfile me too because I think you are
just being silly.

I may killfile you. So far you have just seemed...naive, maybe
ignorant of what polite behavior should be, but not rude. So far.

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You sound slightly hysterical to me and you need
to calm down.

Tell me, how well does it work when you tell irritated people that?
Is it effective? Or do they just get offended by you? Who are you
to tell me what to do? I was justifiably irritated with Marsha. If
you can't understand it, fine. If you can and you are just making it
worse, shame on you.

You are very quick to accuse us of not understanding. I doubt whether you
have taken in a word that has been written to you.

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There are those here who have been much more
overweight than you. They have managed to lose weight and be healthy
without noxious drugs.

That's great! Why don't you tell me about it? Do you get off on
judging me when I am asking for advice? Why are you so superior?

I didn't judge you! You judged yourself.

Bye teena🙁 You don't want to listen to anyone's kindly advice and you
would be better to go and screech somewhere else

Pat said:

"Ophelia" , she wants something easy. She wants sympathy. She doesn't
want to have to lift a finger to help herself.

"Teena" is immature, plain and simple.

Quite!

Pat wrote:
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Obviously, not only do you not have self-control and
self-determination and willpower, you also lack self-realization.

Oh, please. You know nothing about me or my life. However, the fact that
you think it is all right to talk to me the way you have makes it is quite
obvious that you are just an abusive person. You enjoy being nasty, don't
you? I have never been able to understand people like you and I don't want
to. You are not worth any more of my time.

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Pat in TX

Jackie Patti said:

teena said:

I totally disagree. There was no need for her to be rude. It
didn't help me. It didn't do anything important. No good
whatsoever came of it. Perhaps she enjoyed being rude, but if she
did, she really needs to work on whatever is wrong with her that it
makes her happy to hurt others.

She wasn't rude.

And she did accomplish something, she let the rest of us know you were
whiny, so we can killfile if we choose.

I asked for information about Meridia. If you are not going to give me
information and if you are just going to use this opportunity to be rude, by
all means, killfile me.

teena said:I am not looking for points. I was looking for advice, for help.
Isn't
this supposed to be a "support" newsgroup?

Teena
this group is supportive and it is a support group for Low Carb diet plans.
Obviously you didn't notice you came to the wrong group.
If you are interested in Meridia you need to just go to a regular diet
group. Because if you read the literature Meridia (just like every other
diet pill in the universe) only works with a low calorie diet. Which Low
Carb is not. This means that you still have to diet even if you are taking
the pills.

If you are interested in Low carb plans here are several.

Protein Power
Atkins
South Beach

My suggestion is that if you are interested in learning more about these
eating plans and this type of diet you either find the webpages for them by
using google or buy one of the books and read the thing before beginning the
diet.

If this type of advice makes you angry then I have no further suggestions
for you. As a rule most of us just follow our food plans and don't take
Psychotropic medications because that is what Meridia is. It works with the
serotonin uptake reactors in your brain to cause you to lose your appetite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibutramine

Ophelia said:

teena said:

Quoted message said:

Do you think I haven't heard that advice a million times? Do you
honestly think that? If you do, I pity you.

If you have been told that a million times.... do you perhaps think
that they just might have been right??

Of course that is right. We all know that, too. Still, for whatever
reason, I (and many, many others) have not been able to follow this advice.
My doctor told me Meridia would make it easier to eat less. This sounded
good, but I wanted to learn about other people's experiences with it before
I tried it.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I am astounded at you. I remember some overweight celebrity -- was
it Oprah? -- laughing about a nutritionist who told her, "When you
are hungry, just eat carrot sticks instead of Twinkies." We all KNOW
that. Everyone KNOWS that. That advice is worthless. I clearly
haven't been able to follow it and to have it thrown in my face yet
again was irritating, especially when that "advice" came from someone
on a newsgroup with "support" in its title.

Show me where anyone here has told you to eat carrots rather than
Twinkies???

I never said anyone did. I just said that "eat less and exercise more" is
not helpful advice to give someone who asks, "Does anyone know anything
about Meridia?" That advice is as helpful as the carrot/Twinkie advice.
It's useless. It hasn't worked.

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How about bacon and eggs for breakfast, cheese salad for lunch, and a
nice steak for dinner. That is the only advice you are likely to
get here.

I figured people here might have had experience with Meridia, good, bad, or
otherwise. It's a diet group, after all. I thought I might learn something
about Meridia and I did learn a little from Hueyduck. Sadly, I spent the
rest of my time battling a bunch of self-righteous people who seem to have
forgotten how hard it is to feel unsure of what to do about one's weight.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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If you want
appetite suppressed, you can't do better than low carb because that
is just what it does, with no
side effects.

That is interesting info.

Quoted message said:

I suppose you will need to killfile me too because I think you are
just being silly.

I may killfile you. So far you have just seemed...naive, maybe
ignorant of what polite behavior should be, but not rude. So far.

Quoted message said:

You sound slightly hysterical to me and you need
to calm down.

Tell me, how well does it work when you tell irritated people that?
Is it effective? Or do they just get offended by you? Who are you
to tell me what to do? I was justifiably irritated with Marsha. If
you can't understand it, fine. If you can and you are just making it
worse, shame on you.

You are very quick to accuse us of not understanding.

I am not accusing you of not understanding, exactly. I am saying that someo
of you are rude and that only one person has actually answered my question
about Meridia.

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I doubt
whether you have taken in a word that has been written to you.

Well, I have been told <<> Obviously, not only do you not have self-control
and self-determination and willpower, you also lack self-realization.>>

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Do you think I am going to listen to that, especially from someone who
doesn't know me and who has no idea what I have overcome? Do you think it
is helpful to say something like that? I know that when you talk to people
that way, all they do is get defensive (who wouldn't?) and not listen. So,
no, I haven't "taken that in" and I don't agree with it.

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There are those here who have been much more
overweight than you. They have managed to lose weight and be healthy
without noxious drugs.

That's great! Why don't you tell me about it? Do you get off on
judging me when I am asking for advice? Why are you so superior?

I didn't judge you! You judged yourself.

You may not realize it, but your last comment was quite judgmental. It
implies that there is something wrong with me for considering "noxious"
drugs." It also implied that there is a better way, but it then neglected
to tell me about this better way.

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Bye teena🙁 You don't want to listen to anyone's kindly advice and
you would be better to go and screech somewhere else

Most of the advice has not been kindly or useful. I wanted advice about
Meridia and got some from Hueyduck. I will consider what he said.

Ophelia said:

Pat said:

"Ophelia" , she wants something easy. She wants sympathy. She doesn't
want to have to lift a finger to help herself.

"Teena" is immature, plain and simple.

Quite!

Please. You know nothing about me. If I wanted sympathy, trust me, I could
have told you a thing or two. I didn't want sympathy. I just wanted advice
and information about Meridia. I didn't get it. Are you having fun bashing
someone you know nothing about who is trying to find a way to deal with her
weight problem? Oh, you are! That is fun for you. Sad.

teena said:

Pat said:

Stop right there! You don't get points for berating somebody who told
you a basic truth.

Quoted message said:

I am not looking for points. I was looking for advice, for help. Isn't
this supposed to be a "support" newsgroup? Tell me, how well has the advice
"eat less and exercise more" worked for you? Was it an epiphany when you
heard it that changed your life? Or, was it just the same old advice you
had heard all your life from judgmental people that didn't help you one bit?

We all KNOW that is what we are supposed to do. EVERYONE knows that.
Obviously, a lot of us have NOT been able to DO that. I haven't and that is
why I am looking at Meridia.

Marsha was completely unhelpful. She was nasty, too. Ask yourself how you
felt the million times you probably heard someone say that.

Teena,
You completely missed the part about no side effects.
If you want to take a drug, with no record of long-term
adverse effects, that's your business. Finding and
correcting the reason for overeating in the first place
would obviously be better. If you find nothing useful
in that advice, then you have bigger problems then
being overweight.

Marsha/Ohio

PB said:

teena said:I am not looking for points. I was looking for advice,
for help. Isn't
this supposed to be a "support" newsgroup?

Teena
this group is supportive and it is a support group for Low Carb diet
plans. Obviously you didn't notice you came to the wrong group.

It had "diet" in the name and that is how I did my search. I did notice the
low carb thing, but I figured I would find people who had experience with
Meridia in a diet newsgroup. I did, too. Hueyduck told me about his
experience.

Quoted message said:

If you are interested in Meridia you need to just go to a regular diet
group.

I posted there, too, but there hasn't been a response yet.

Quoted message said:

Because if you read the literature Meridia (just like every
other diet pill in the universe) only works with a low calorie diet.

From what I was told, it reduces your appetite, so that is what happens.

Quoted message said:

Which Low Carb is not. This means that you still have to diet even if
you are taking the pills.

If you are interested in Low carb plans here are several.

Protein Power
Atkins
South Beach

My suggestion is that if you are interested in learning more about
these eating plans and this type of diet you either find the webpages
for them by using google or buy one of the books and read the thing
before beginning the diet.

If this type of advice makes you angry

Angry? Certainly not! You have been polite, informative, and helpful.
Thank you!

Quoted message said:

then I have no further
suggestions for you. As a rule most of us just follow our food plans
and don't take Psychotropic medications because that is what Meridia
is. It works with the serotonin uptake reactors in your brain to
cause you to lose your appetite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibutramine

Thank you again for your reply to my post.

teena said:

I totally disagree. There was no need for her to be rude. It didn't help
me. It didn't do anything important. No good whatsoever came of it.
Perhaps she enjoyed being rude, but if she did, she really needs to work on
whatever is wrong with her that it makes her happy to hurt others.

She wasn't rude.

And she did accomplish something, she let the rest of us know you were
whiny, so we can killfile if we choose.

--
http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/

teena a écrit :

Quoted message said:

Hueyduck wrote:

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Some people died taking this drug, just because they hadn't followed
the instructions. So one has to ba very careful.

I thought you weren't following the instructions, though.

The people who had definitive probolems wre taking more than the normal
dose and/or were taking it while haveing high blood pressure.

Stopping the treatment is not against the instructions.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

btw: my way of thaking the drug is *not* how it is supposed to be
taken. This is only my experience.
I read somewhere that a study had demonstrated that the drug was
effective even if you would'nt take it every all the time, or
something like that. But do not follow my ways, please 🙂

I appreciate your giving me the info. How much weight have you lost over
how much time?

As I said, I only use it when the environment makes it difficult for me
to stay on low-carb or even low-calorie.
To give you a funny example: I take it when I spend a few dayus at my
mother's.
So this pill helps me not put on weight more than lose weight.

I lost 14 kg over 18 months, but the real reason why I lost weight is
eating low carb and practicing sports.
Really.
If it can be inspirationnal: I noticed that the most effective activity
to lose fat is walking.
Each time I chain several days where I talk the time to walk for 1 or 12
hours, I litterally melt over the scale (yuk;-)

So if you wanted an opinion about someone who tried sibutramine and
Low-carb (because why else would you post your request on a low-carb
forum, anyway? :-), here it is:
Sibutramine is *not* usefull very often. This is *not* an extraordinary
solution to excessive fat. The solution *is* to accept that our body was
meant to move, hunt and climb up trees.

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Quoted message said:

And when Marsha says

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>>> No, but I do know that eating less and exercising more
>>> works every time - without any side effects.

She is right.
And the tone is right too, IMHO.

Sometimes, it is important to get hurt by a stranger.

I totally disagree. There was no need for her to be rude.

You are right. Ther was no need for *her* to be rude.

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It didn't help
me. It didn't do anything important. No good whatsoever came of it.

I want to tell you something about what happened to my sis.
When she was 14, she was kind of huge (-ly fat).
Once that she was on a trip with my parents, she was on public
transports. It was kind of a reush hour in the town and she got bumped
into by a guy. She mentionned to the guy that he could be a bit more
careful. The guy looked at her with despise and said "Yeah, sure, just
move over, you big fat cow.". The scenes ends there, as the guy was
running away.
My sis cried her eyes out.

She lost more than 50 pounds in the following year.

There *is* a miracle solution for every addiction, you know: getting
free from the factors that you are trying to hide from when you fall
into this addiction. Be it alcohol, tobacco or food or a relationship ,
or whatever can be addictive.
But you may not want to discuss it here.
To illustrate my saying, I could point out that I think that people
smoke to recreate the presence of a specific person in their life.
I myself smoked during 10 years. I started smoking just after the bitter
ending of a relationship. Ten years after this , the guy calls me for
no reason, out of the blue and , while talking to him, I realized how
much he was an asswhole to my eyes.
When I hang up the phone, I remember that I had the sensation that this
phone call, 10 years after, was *the real* end of the relationship. I
had accepted that I was never going to spend a single minute with that
person.

A few weeks after this phone call happened, I quit smoking. From 2 packs
of cigarette to 0. Overnight. I simply was bored with smoking.

I had been freed.

What or who are you trying to be freed from, Teena?

Until you find that, you can work on the symptoms by exercising and
eating less.

I do that.

Huey

teena said:

Jackie Patti said:

teena said:

I totally disagree. There was no need for her to be rude. It
didn't help me. It didn't do anything important. No good
whatsoever came of it. Perhaps she enjoyed being rude, but if she
did, she really needs to work on whatever is wrong with her that it
makes her happy to hurt others.

She wasn't rude.

And she did accomplish something, she let the rest of us know you were
whiny, so we can killfile if we choose.

I asked for information about Meridia. If you are not going to give me
information and if you are just going to use this opportunity to be rude, by
all means, killfile me.

So, basically, anyone who says something you don't like is being rude?
It must suck to be you.

--
BlueBrooke
254/225/135

Doesn't it impress you at all that the people here all tell you that you
don't need drugs if you do a low carb diet? The very absense of responses
containing information about Meridia should tell you something.

teena wrote:
|
| It had "diet" in the name and that is how I did my search. I did
| notice the low carb thing, but I figured I would find people who had
| experience with Meridia in a diet newsgroup. I did, too. Hueyduck
| told me about his experience.

BlueBrooke said:

teena said:

Jackie Patti said:

teena wrote:

> I totally disagree. There was no need for her to be rude. It
> didn't help me. It didn't do anything important. No good
> whatsoever came of it. Perhaps she enjoyed being rude, but if she
> did, she really needs to work on whatever is wrong with her that it
> makes her happy to hurt others.

She wasn't rude.

And she did accomplish something, she let the rest of us know you
were whiny, so we can killfile if we choose.

I asked for information about Meridia. If you are not going to give
me information and if you are just going to use this opportunity to
be rude, by all means, killfile me.

So, basically, anyone who says something you don't like is being rude?

No, anyone who says something rude is rude.

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It must suck to be you.

I can't imagine it is pleasant at all to be you.

teena wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

I am not accusing you of not understanding, exactly. I am saying

that someo

Quoted message said:

of you are rude and that only one person has actually answered my

question

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about Meridia.

Just so you know, I did read your post, but I don't have answers about
Meridia, so I didn't respond, but good luck with whatever food plan
you choose.

Cheri

FOB said:

Doesn't it impress you at all that the people here all tell you that
you don't need drugs if you do a low carb diet?

Look at the responses. Very few people here explained anything about a low
carb diet. More than a few were just plain rude.

Quoted message said:

The very absense of
responses containing information about Meridia should tell you
something.

It could say that people here haven't used it and therefore have no
information to share about it. There certainly was a polite way to say
this, and a polite way to share information that could have been helpful.
Not everyone chose to be polite or helpful.

I will say I thought it made sense to think that people in a diet newsgroup
might have experience with Meridia. Even if the low carb diet is working
for people now, that doesn't mean they haven't tried Meridia in the past. I
thought some people here might be able to tell me something of interest.

Some peope were clearly rude, even abusive, although they and others
obviously do not want to admit it. I fail to understand why Pat felt it was
right and necessary to fling such a personal attack at me, or why Ophelia
had to jump on that bandwagon. Oh, well. What can one do? That's the way
the world is. Not everyone here was hostile and unhelpful, however. I
thank Hueyduck and PB for being helpful, informative, and polite.

Quoted message said:

teena said:

It had "diet" in the name and that is how I did my search. I did
notice the low carb thing, but I figured I would find people who had
experience with Meridia in a diet newsgroup. I did, too. Hueyduck
told me about his experience.

Cheri said:

teena wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

I am not accusing you of not understanding, exactly. I am saying
that someo of you are rude and that only one person has actually
answered my question about Meridia.

Just so you know, I did read your post, but I don't have answers about
Meridia, so I didn't respond, but good luck with whatever food plan
you choose.

Cheri

Thank you! I still am not sure what I will do, but I appreciate your kind
words.

Hueyduck said:

teena a écrit :

Quoted message said:

Hueyduck wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Some people died taking this drug, just because they hadn't followed
the instructions. So one has to ba very careful.

I thought you weren't following the instructions, though.

The people who had definitive probolems wre taking more than the
normal dose and/or were taking it while haveing high blood pressure.

Thank you.

Quoted message said:

Stopping the treatment is not against the instructions.

Okay.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

btw: my way of thaking the drug is *not* how it is supposed to be
taken. This is only my experience.
I read somewhere that a study had demonstrated that the drug was
effective even if you would'nt take it every all the time, or
something like that. But do not follow my ways, please 🙂

I appreciate your giving me the info. How much weight have you lost
over how much time?

As I said, I only use it when the environment makes it difficult for
me to stay on low-carb or even low-calorie.

Very interesting. I know what you mean about certain environments.

Quoted message said:

To give you a funny example: I take it when I spend a few dayus at my
mother's.

I think many of us can relate to that!

Quoted message said:

So this pill helps me not put on weight more than lose weight.

I lost 14 kg over 18 months, but the real reason why I lost weight is
eating low carb and practicing sports.
Really.
If it can be inspirationnal: I noticed that the most effective
activity to lose fat is walking.
Each time I chain several days where I talk the time to walk for 1 or
12 hours, I litterally melt over the scale (yuk;-)

There's an image! Still, it's a good idea. Walking is one of the easiest
and cheapest exercises to do.

Quoted message said:

So if you wanted an opinion about someone who tried sibutramine and
Low-carb (because why else would you post your request on a low-carb
forum, anyway? :-),

Well, I figured (and rightly so in your case) that people on this ng may
very well have used Meridia at some point.

Quoted message said:

here it is:
Sibutramine is *not* usefull very often. This is *not* an
extraordinary solution to excessive fat. The solution *is* to accept
that our body was meant to move, hunt and climb up trees.

True.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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And when Marsha says

>>>> No, but I do know that eating less and exercising more
>>>> works every time - without any side effects.
She is right.
And the tone is right too, IMHO.

Sometimes, it is important to get hurt by a stranger.

I totally disagree. There was no need for her to be rude.

You are right. Ther was no need for *her* to be rude.

Quoted message said:

It didn't help
me. It didn't do anything important. No good whatsoever came of it.

I want to tell you something about what happened to my sis.
When she was 14, she was kind of huge (-ly fat).
Once that she was on a trip with my parents, she was on public
transports. It was kind of a reush hour in the town and she got bumped
into by a guy. She mentionned to the guy that he could be a bit more
careful. The guy looked at her with despise and said "Yeah, sure, just
move over, you big fat cow.". The scenes ends there, as the guy was
running away.
My sis cried her eyes out.

She lost more than 50 pounds in the following year.

I am happy that your sis lost the weight. However, I do not think that she
lost the weight because that man was rude. He certainly was not trying to
help her. He wanted to hurt her and did something really obnoxious. It is
dangerous to say, "Oh, that abuse helped me" because it creates an
environment where abusers can say, "Oh, I am just trying to help." They
aren't. They mostly don't help. They just hurt people and that is all
they want to do. If one person, like your sis, can take the lemon of
someone's abuse and make lemonade, then great for that person! It says many
good things about the person (like your sis), but nothing good about the
person who hurt them in the first place. If you want to help someone,
never, EVER be mean to them. If you are being mean, be honest. You aren't
doing it to help. You are doing it because you like to hurt people.

Quoted message said:

There *is* a miracle solution for every addiction, you know: getting
free from the factors that you are trying to hide from when you fall
into this addiction. Be it alcohol, tobacco or food or a relationship
, or whatever can be addictive.
But you may not want to discuss it here.
To illustrate my saying, I could point out that I think that people
smoke to recreate the presence of a specific person in their life.
I myself smoked during 10 years. I started smoking just after the
bitter ending of a relationship. Ten years after this , the guy
calls me for no reason, out of the blue and , while talking to him, I
realized how much he was an asswhole to my eyes.
When I hang up the phone, I remember that I had the sensation that
this phone call, 10 years after, was *the real* end of the
relationship. I had accepted that I was never going to spend a single
minute with that person.

A few weeks after this phone call happened, I quit smoking. From 2
packs of cigarette to 0. Overnight. I simply was bored with smoking.

I had been freed.

What or who are you trying to be freed from, Teena?

A lot of weight, as far as I can tell. I do not think there is a
psychological answer to every weight problem. It's nice to think that it
could be that simple and iy may be for some, or even many, but I don't think
for all. In fact, I think that belief contributes to the idea that
overweight people are somehow psychologically "sick." Do the people in the
ng feel they were psychologically sick before they started low-carbing, or
do they feel there was something else wrong that kept them overweight?
That's not rhetorical, btw.

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Until you find that, you can work on the symptoms by exercising and
eating less.

I do that.

Quoted message said:

Huey

My only problem is that I love to eat and hate to exercise. And I'm old
enough that I don't care about having a sexy body anymore.

teena wrote:
|
| A lot of weight, as far as I can tell. I do not think there is a
| psychological answer to every weight problem. It's nice to think
| that it could be that simple and iy may be for some, or even many,
| but I don't think for all. In fact, I think that belief contributes
| to the idea that overweight people are somehow psychologically
| "sick." Do the people in the ng feel they were psychologically sick
| before they started low-carbing, or do they feel there was something
| else wrong that kept them overweight? That's not rhetorical, btw.
|
|

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Doesn't it impress you at all that the people here all tell you that
you don't need drugs if you do a low carb diet?

Look at the responses. Very few people here explained anything about a
low
carb diet. More than a few were just plain rude.

Only if your definition of "rude" is saying anything that "teena" doesn't
like!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The very absense of
responses containing information about Meridia should tell you
something.

It could say that people here haven't used it and therefore have no
information to share about it. There certainly was a polite way to say
this, and a polite way to share information that could have been helpful.
Not everyone chose to be polite or helpful.

Let's see, you come on a newsgroup and someone gives you a basic, solid
answer. You immediately go to the invective, name-calling, and shrill
response. Hmmm, now just exactly who is in who is "rude"?

Quoted message said:

Some peope were clearly rude, even abusive, although they and others
obviously do not want to admit it. I fail to understand why Pat felt it
was
right and necessary to fling such a personal attack at me, or why Ophelia
had to jump on that bandwagon. Oh, well. What can one do? That's the
way
the world is. Not everyone here was hostile and unhelpful, however. I
thank Hueyduck and PB for being helpful, informative, and polite.

Here's the deal, teenie bopper: don't come on a newsgroup and insult one of
the respected members who only offers sound advice. Then, you attack that
person with a personal attack and "wonder" why "everyone" is so "rude" to
you, little ol' sweet teena. "Everyone" else is so hostile to poor little
teena! Poor you! Now go away.

GET A CLUE! You get treated as you treat people and you didn't start off on
the right track.

Pat in TX