Mark Hickey

David Reuteler <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

yea, rick. don't plagiarize. unless you're a scientist or mathematician.

Quoted message said:

"Plagiarize,
Let no one else's work evade your eyes,
Remember why the good Lord made your eyes,
So don't shade your eyes,
But plagiarize, plagiarize, plagiarize --
Only be sure to please call it 'research.'"

Quoted message said:

"I am never forget the day I first meet the great Lobachevski. In one word
he told me secret of success in mathematics: 'Plagiarize!'"

"If you steal from one author, it's plagiarism; if you steal from
many, it's research."
--Wilson Mizner

Bruce

gary jacobson said:

"Rick Onanian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 17:20:32 GMT, carlfogel

Quoted message said:

As has been discussed, you should have said:
"I don't believe a word of it."

I don't believe you.

Are you quoting Dylan?

I'm not quoting anybody, although I'm sure I'm not the first person
ever to say "I don't believe you".

Quoted message said:

If so, please let readers know that.

No, it was just a terrible attempt at humor.

See, Mark Hickey said that he does, in fact, exist. I expressed my
fake disbelief (intended as pseudo-irony) about that possibility.
Then, when Carl said something else about it, I again expressed my
fake disbelief.

Kind of like I would have done if somebody asked if I still existed;
I would have said "No.", thereby proving my existence while denying
it, in what would be funny in an infantile way only appreciated by,
well, nobody.

I'm not sufficiently familiar with Bob Dylan's work to quote much. I
guess I could suggest that all persons present are required to
become high on pot ("Everybody must get stoned"😉, or maybe quote
bits of a song covered (and made more popular) by Jimi Hendrix (All
Along The Watchtower), or wonder how it feels to be on your own,
with no direction home, a complete unknown, just like a rolling
stone...or I could even (now this is as obscure as my Bob Dylan
knowledge gets) give you a shortened version of a story of a
African-American boxer wrongly convicted. Well, I could quote a
couple lines, but I don't really remember the song well. Anyway,
don't convict me of plagiarism that I've never done...😉

If you're talking about some Dylan other than Bob, then I'm
completely lost. I imagine "I don't believe you" would be something
uttered by Bob Dylan...or nearly anybody else.
--
Rick Onanian

Erik Freitag said:

I am sorry to see a topic in rec.bicycles.tech with his name as the topic,
when the discussion is not about Ti bicycle frames.

How about this one:
Rick Onanian & F. GoLightly - [censored]!!!!
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=92347c4a.0312201405.3cbabe33%40posting.google.com
which was a part of a whole series of similarly titled threads by
"Wild Bill Kizer".

A discussion in a bicycle newsfroup with my name in the subject
should be about...umm..not riding very fast or something. 😉

Or this one:
Re: News serversWhy Rick Onanian Doesnt Know Jack About REAL
Computers
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=7b4pur%24tn9%241%40nnrp1.dejanews.com
which appears to be in reference to this:
http://groups.google.com/groups?&selm=36C87F2D.36955B03%40mail.artmold.com
which was the only politics-related post from the right time period
that I could come up with through lots of googling. I certainly
never wrote the stuff that was quoted in that second link.

Discussions in linux newsfroups with my name in the subject at that
time should have been about the Linux Router Project.
--
Rick Onanian

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:06:11 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>
sniped unforgivably:

Quoted message said:

I don't believe you.

That kind of red herring won't fly! It's a lie of the . . .
No, fourth kind!

I don't believe you.
--
Rick "Is this getting tired, or still sufficiently silly?" Onanian

On Wed, 19 May 2004 16:11:45 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:06:11 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>
sniped unforgivably:

Quoted message said:

I don't believe you.

That kind of red herring won't fly! It's a lie of the . . .
No, fourth kind!

I don't believe you.

On Wed, 19 May 2004 16:11:45 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:06:11 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>
sniped unforgivably:

Quoted message said:

I don't believe you.

That kind of red herring won't fly! It's a lie of the . . .
No, fourth kind!

I don't believe you.

Rick "Is this getting tired, or still sufficiently silly?" Onanian

Dear Rick,

Drat! Hit the wrong button while trying to include your new nickname.

Any sufficiently silly thread is indistinguishable from being tired.

Arthur C. Clarke

David Damerell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Appkiller said:

The moral high ground is NOT a relativistic place. Don't even start
with that [censored] argument about how bad the Iraqis are.

Can't you keep this nonsense in the threads that have nothing else, and
can be safely killfiled?

[Or, better yet, off r.b.t. altogether.]

If I want to read about Iraq, I'll buy a newspaper.

Still having difficulty learning how to use your newsreader?
--
Jonesy

David Damerell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Appkiller said:

The moral high ground is NOT a relativistic place. Don't even start
with that [censored] argument about how bad the Iraqis are.

Can't you keep this nonsense in the threads that have nothing else, and
can be safely killfiled?

[Or, better yet, off r.b.t. altogether.]

If I want to read about Iraq, I'll buy a newspaper.

Still having difficulty learning how to use your newsreader?
--
Jonesy

[email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:06:11 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

sniped unforgivably:

Quoted message said:

carlfogel said:

Please, in the future try to use the traditional phrase, not briefer and
less hyperbolic substitutes.
As has been discussed, you should have said:
"I don't believe a word of it."

I don't believe you.

Dear Rick,

That kind of red herring won't fly! It's a lie of the . . .

[Pause to count on fingers.]

Third--

[Recount in defiance of the Supreme Court.]

No, fourth kind!

As Eisenhower's future in-laws suggested when he asked what to make
of Mamie:

Bride, Ike!

I have serious doubts you were actually present when those words were
allegedly uttered.

Howzat? 😉
--
Jonesy

[email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:06:11 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

sniped unforgivably:

Quoted message said:

carlfogel said:

Please, in the future try to use the traditional phrase, not briefer and
less hyperbolic substitutes.
As has been discussed, you should have said:
"I don't believe a word of it."

I don't believe you.

Dear Rick,

That kind of red herring won't fly! It's a lie of the . . .

[Pause to count on fingers.]

Third--

[Recount in defiance of the Supreme Court.]

No, fourth kind!

As Eisenhower's future in-laws suggested when he asked what to make
of Mamie:

Bride, Ike!

I have serious doubts you were actually present when those words were
allegedly uttered.

Howzat? 😉
--
Jonesy

Erik Freitag said:

I am sorry to see a topic in rec.bicycles.tech with his name as the
topic, when the discussion is not about Ti bicycle frames.

Quoted message said:

Do you think we could propose a newsgroup rec.bicycles.not-tech, or
rec.bicycles.politics? Or rec.bicycles.politics.iraq?
rec.bicycles.rightwing.bobbleheads?

Oh, out of sight, out of mind. Separate but equal etc. I think the
issue is in the right place and under the appropriate heading "Why do
they hate us..." It was not by accident that I chose that heading and
the two main newsgroups to get the discussion rolling. I am glad to
see participation and various points of view being aired. I think
that is the best way to hear different sides of an issue so that the
merit of each can be judged.

I don't think this thread and title is appropriate and I will not
stoop to criticize anyones politics here.

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

Rick Onanian said:

gary jacobson said:

"Rick Onanian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 17:20:32 GMT, carlfogel
> As has been discussed, you should have said:
> "I don't believe a word of it."

I don't believe you.

Are you quoting Dylan?

I'm not quoting anybody, although I'm sure I'm not the first person
ever to say "I don't believe you".

Quoted message said:

If so, please let readers know that.

No, it was just a terrible attempt at humor.

See, Mark Hickey said that he does, in fact, exist. I expressed my
fake disbelief (intended as pseudo-irony) about that possibility.
Then, when Carl said something else about it, I again expressed my
fake disbelief.

Kind of like I would have done if somebody asked if I still existed;
I would have said "No.", thereby proving my existence while denying
it, in what would be funny in an infantile way only appreciated by,
well, nobody.

I'm not sufficiently familiar with Bob Dylan's work to quote much. I
guess I could suggest that all persons present are required to
become high on pot ("Everybody must get stoned"😉, or maybe quote
bits of a song covered (and made more popular) by Jimi Hendrix (All
Along The Watchtower), or wonder how it feels to be on your own,
with no direction home, a complete unknown, just like a rolling
stone...or I could even (now this is as obscure as my Bob Dylan
knowledge gets) give you a shortened version of a story of a
African-American boxer wrongly convicted. Well, I could quote a
couple lines, but I don't really remember the song well. Anyway,
don't convict me of plagiarism that I've never done...😉

If you're talking about some Dylan other than Bob, then I'm
completely lost. I imagine "I don't believe you" would be something
uttered by Bob Dylan...or nearly anybody else.

Rick, a simple "bite me" would have sufficed.

Bill "always fun to have to explain one's humorous comments, eh?" S.

S o r n i said:

Rick, a simple "bite me" would have sufficed.

Bill "always fun to have to explain one's humorous comments, eh?" S.

I don't believe you. Bite me. 😉
--
Rick Onanian

Rick Onanian said:

On Thu, 20 May 2004 04:41:50 GMT, " S o r n i"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Rick, a simple "bite me" would have sufficed.

Bill "always fun to have to explain one's humorous comments, eh?" S.

I don't believe you. Bite me. 😉

There ya go.

Bill "existing" S.

David Damerell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Appkiller said:

The moral high ground is NOT a relativistic place. Don't even start
with that [censored] argument about how bad the Iraqis are.

Can't you ...[ellipsis mine - app]

Is that the collective you? Should be, 'cuz I am not an instigator
(for the most part, this is a rare exception) of political fracai in
this newsgroup, although certainly a frequent participant.

Quoted message said:

...keep this nonsense in the threads that have nothing else, and
can be safely killfiled?

Check the content of this thread - 100% nonsense, nothing else as you
say! A sidebar about Dylan, the shrubber, and MH's politics. What
could be more non-sensical?

Quoted message said:

[Or, better yet, off r.b.t. altogether.]

If I want to read about Iraq, I'll buy a newspaper.

And why the hell would you think that a thread with the name of an
outspoken participant in the OT political threads as a title would
contain any cycling content at all?

App

[email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:06:11 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

sniped unforgivably:

Quoted message said:

carlfogel said:

Please, in the future try to use the traditional phrase, not briefer and
less hyperbolic substitutes.
As has been discussed, you should have said:
"I don't believe a word of it."

I don't believe you.

Dear Rick,

That kind of red herring won't fly! It's a lie of the . . .

[Pause to count on fingers.]

Third--

[Recount in defiance of the Supreme Court.]

No, fourth kind!

As Eisenhower's future in-laws suggested when he asked what to make
of Mamie:

Bride, Ike!

Jobstfully,

Carl Fogel

Okay, at risk of taking this thread off-topic, I gotta ask: fourth
kind of lie?

The three I know of are:

1. Fabricate a complete and total untruth.
2. Tell the truth, but leave out enough critical facts to obscure the
truth.
3. Tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but make
it sound so ridiculous as to be totally unbelievable.

(I didn't come up with these myself, but paraphrasically plagarized
them from R. Heinlein, I think...)

Jonathan Quist

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Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:06:11 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

sniped unforgivably:

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 17:20:32 GMT, carlfogel
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>Please, in the future try to use the traditional phrase, not briefer and
>less hyperbolic substitutes.
>As has been discussed, you should have said:
>"I don't believe a word of it."

I don't believe you.

Dear Rick,

That kind of red herring won't fly! It's a lie of the . . .

[Pause to count on fingers.]

Third--

[Recount in defiance of the Supreme Court.]

No, fourth kind!

As Eisenhower's future in-laws suggested when he asked what to make
of Mamie:

Bride, Ike!

Jobstfully,

Carl Fogel

Okay, at risk of taking this thread off-topic, I gotta ask: fourth
kind of lie?

The three I know of are:

1. Fabricate a complete and total untruth.
2. Tell the truth, but leave out enough critical facts to obscure the
truth.
3. Tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but make
it sound so ridiculous as to be totally unbelievable.

(I didn't come up with these myself, but paraphrasically plagarized
them from R. Heinlein, I think...)

It's sad when things have gotten so bad that people can't be bothered to
plagiarise painstakingly anymore....:-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Mark are you still around?

I think so.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

Are there any US/European importers of Flying Pigeon or other Mainland
brands? Also, do you know where one can browse their selection
online?

(Adam Rush) said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Mark are you still around?

I think so.

Are there any US/European importers of Flying Pigeon or other Mainland
brands? Also, do you know where one can browse their selection
online?

I have no idea (I can't really keep up with everything going on in
China). I visited the FP booth at a Sydney bike show once - they were
certainly trying to gear up for export... and I know there were some
showing up in the US, but don't know who might be importing them.

Shouldn't be hard to find them on the web...

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

Just for clarification purposes. I asked about Mark, not to start
another political debate, but to find out if he was still w/us. I was
glad to find out that he remains a member of this insane group after
we trashed his views a bit. I think that this speaks well for many of
us. We can have passionate disagreements about some things, but we can
still remain "friends?"

Some have abandoned the political debate and replaced it with
linguistic satire. I think that this is perfectly appropriate, even
though this is not mentioned in the subject line, because, as Sheldon
pointed out, the subject itself is redundant. Anyways, I am glad you
are still with us and I think that most of us love you even though we
think that you don't know what the c--p you are saying outside of
bikes. I bet that you feel the same way, but if this serves as any
consolation, "you are wrong". ;-)

Andres

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Quoted message said:

Erik Freitag said:

I am sorry to see a topic in rec.bicycles.tech with his name as the
topic, when the discussion is not about Ti bicycle frames.

Quoted message said:

Do you think we could propose a newsgroup rec.bicycles.not-tech, or
rec.bicycles.politics? Or rec.bicycles.politics.iraq?
rec.bicycles.rightwing.bobbleheads?

Oh, out of sight, out of mind. Separate but equal etc. I think the
issue is in the right place and under the appropriate heading "Why do
they hate us..." It was not by accident that I chose that heading and
the two main newsgroups to get the discussion rolling. I am glad to
see participation and various points of view being aired. I think
that is the best way to hear different sides of an issue so that the
merit of each can be judged.

I don't think this thread and title is appropriate and I will not
stoop to criticize anyones politics here.

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]