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  1. I've bought some wonderful, marinated and spicy food: water chestnusts
    marinated with what I think they called a Tom-yum flavour, and some
    mushrooms marinated in something very spicy. I love that, but I'd love even
    more to be able to marinate like that, myself.

    If anyone can give me some tips and recipes, or reccomend a good book on it
    to me, then I'd really appreciate it.

    Thank you in advance,
    Nikitta.

  2. Marinades serve two different functions: as a tenderizer and flavor
    enhancer.
    The cooking process itself turns connective tissues into gelatin to varying
    degrees. Depending on the cut and type of meat, it may need a little
    assistance to bring it to a palatable range of tenderness. Certain plant and
    fungi enzymes and acids can break down muscle and connective proteins in
    meats. As far back as pre-Columbian Mexico, cooks found that wrapping meats
    in papaya leaves before cooking made for more tender results. The active
    enzyme in the papaya leaves is papain, now refined from papayas and
    commercially available. Connective tissue that comes in direct contact with
    the protein-digesting enzymes gets broken down.
    These tenderizing enzymes also reduce the capability of the meat to hold
    its juices, resulting in greater fluid loss and thus drier meat. Enzymes are
    also heat activated at levels between 140 and 175 degrees F. and deactivated
    at the boiling point, so it really serves no purpose other than flavoring to
    let meat sit in a marinade at room temperature. In fact, refrigeration is
    recommended to avoid the growth of harmful bacteria. Let meat come to room
    temperature before cooking.

    Marination requires contact
    Direct contact is the important point, since it is necessary for the
    chemical reaction to occur. This means that soaking a piece of meat in a
    marinade will only penetrate just so far into the surface of the meat. If
    you marinate a large cut of meat in a tenderizing marinade, you end up with
    a mushy exterior and an unaffected center. Puncturing the meat for the
    marinade to penetrate gives an uneven result, with the further undesirable
    side effect of allowing the meat to lose even more juices while cooking.
    Thus, flat cuts of meat benefit most from tenderizing marinades. Place meat
    in a plastic baggie with the air squeezed out and turn it often to be sure
    all surfaces benefit from the marinade.

    Some slaughterhouses now inject papain into the animals just before
    slaughtering. The injected papain is carried through the bloodstream to all
    parts of the animal and is later activated by the cooking process. This
    sometimes results in a mushy piece of meat due to the enzyme destroying too
    much of the muscle fiber firmness. The newest method being researched is a
    machine which immerses tough cuts of meat into a water bath and then sends a
    shockwave through the meat, breaking down tough fibers.

    Marinate for flavor
    Acid-based marinades both tenderize and flavor many different types of
    foods, not just meats and seafood. Acids such as citrus juices, pineapple,
    yogurt, buttermilk, and wine tenderize by denaturing or unwinding protein
    strings. They also lend flavor to the end product. According to Cookwise
    author Shirley Corriher, marinades containing oils with emusifiers mono- and
    diglyceride (check the labels) penetrate deeper and faster. Extra-virgin
    olive oil naturally contains monoglycerides and is a good choice for
    marinades.
    Dry marinades or rubs are used to enhance flavor as opposed to tenderize,
    although some may have some beneficial tenderizing side effects. This type
    is usually a mixture of herbs and spices, sometimes mixed wth an oil, which
    is rubbed into the meat, poultry and seafood. Those recipes using dry rubs
    usually specify a grill, pan-fry or broil cooking method.

    Don't overdo the marinade!
    As a rule, poultry and seafood are not tough cuts and could turn to mush or
    leather if left in a tenderizing marinade for an extended period. In fact,
    fish can be "cooked" in acid, requiring no heat at all as in one of my
    favorite dishes, Ceviche. Extended marination of tender seafood can actually
    toughen it by "overcooking" it. One-half hour of marination time before
    cooking should be sufficient to impart the flavor of the marinade to
    seafood. Marinated recipes that will not be eventually oven-cooked may
    specify a much longer time. Thirty minutes to one hour is usually sufficient
    time to successfully marinate poultry.

    Nature's tenderizers
    Nature gives us many tenderizers to choose from, both enzymatic and acidic.
    When using an acid-based marinade, be sure to use only containers made of
    glass, ceramic or stainless-steel, never aluminum. The chemical reaction
    produced between alkaline and aluminum not only imparts an unattractive
    discoloration to the food but can also darken and pit the aluminum
    container. Many marinades will include one of the following along with
    various herbs and spices.

    Using leftover marinades
    It seems a shame to discard that flavorful mixture, but do not be tempted to
    reuse leftover marinade without first cooking it. During the contact with
    raw foods, the marinade most likely has picked up harmful bacteria that
    could make you very ill. For the same reason, it's wise to cook leftover
    marinade before using it to baste with. Frugal cooks can put the leftover
    marinade to use as a sauce, but it must first be boiled for five minutes to
    destroy any harmful bacteria. Of course, this boiling process will render it
    useless as a tenderizing marinade, but it can still impart some flavor as a
    sauce. Alkalines leaked from the first marinated food will interact with the
    acids to diminish the sharpness or acidity of the original marinade.

    Natural Tenderizers
    Pineapple
    Figs
    Papaya
    Ginger
    Kiwifruit
    Mango
    Honeydew
    Wine
    Citrus
    Beer
    Vinegar
    Tomato
    Yogurt
    Buttermilk

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    Marinade Recipes
    http://homecooking.about.com/library/archive/blcon10.htm
    "MEow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've bought some wonderful, marinated and spicy food: water chestnusts
    marinated with what I think they called a Tom-yum flavour, and some
    mushrooms marinated in something very spicy. I love that, but I'd love


    even

    Quoted message said:

    more to be able to marinate like that, myself.

    If anyone can give me some tips and recipes, or reccomend a good book on


    it

    Quoted message said:

    to me, then I'd really appreciate it.

    Thank you in advance,
    Nikitta.

  3. Hey "chef" (and I use the term very loosely) when are you going to start
    giving credit to those people from whom you plagerize your information???

    http://homecooking.about.com/library/weekly/aa011700a.htm

    Word for word...but you didn't even provide the pictures, probably because
    you know that that could get you into trouble...

    Chef R. W. Miller said:

    Marinades serve two different functions: as a tenderizer and flavor
    enhancer.
    The cooking process itself turns connective tissues into gelatin
    to varying degrees. Depending on the cut and type of meat, it may
    need a little assistance to bring it to a palatable range of
    tenderness. Certain plant and fungi enzymes and acids can break
    down muscle and connective proteins in meats. As far back as
    pre-Columbian Mexico, cooks found that wrapping meats in papaya
    leaves before cooking made for more tender results. The active
    enzyme in the papaya leaves is papain, now refined from papayas
    and commercially available. Connective tissue that comes in direct
    contact with the protein-digesting enzymes gets broken down.
    These tenderizing enzymes also reduce the capability of the meat
    to hold its juices, resulting in greater fluid loss and thus drier
    meat. Enzymes are also heat activated at levels between 140 and
    175 degrees F. and deactivated at the boiling point, so it really
    serves no purpose other than flavoring to let meat sit in a
    marinade at room temperature. In fact, refrigeration is
    recommended to avoid the growth of harmful bacteria. Let meat come
    to room temperature before cooking.

    Marination requires contact
    Direct contact is the important point, since it is necessary for
    the chemical reaction to occur. This means that soaking a piece of
    meat in a marinade will only penetrate just so far into the
    surface of the meat. If you marinate a large cut of meat in a
    tenderizing marinade, you end up with a mushy exterior and an
    unaffected center. Puncturing the meat for the marinade to
    penetrate gives an uneven result, with the further undesirable
    side effect of allowing the meat to lose even more juices while
    cooking. Thus, flat cuts of meat benefit most from tenderizing
    marinades. Place meat in a plastic baggie with the air squeezed
    out and turn it often to be sure all surfaces benefit from the
    marinade.

    Some slaughterhouses now inject papain into the animals just before
    slaughtering. The injected papain is carried through the
    bloodstream to all parts of the animal and is later activated by
    the cooking process. This sometimes results in a mushy piece of
    meat due to the enzyme destroying too much of the muscle fiber
    firmness. The newest method being researched is a machine which
    immerses tough cuts of meat into a water bath and then sends a
    shockwave through the meat, breaking down tough fibers.

    Marinate for flavor
    Acid-based marinades both tenderize and flavor many different
    types of foods, not just meats and seafood. Acids such as citrus
    juices, pineapple, yogurt, buttermilk, and wine tenderize by
    denaturing or unwinding protein strings. They also lend flavor to
    the end product. According to Cookwise author Shirley Corriher,
    marinades containing oils with emusifiers mono- and diglyceride
    (check the labels) penetrate deeper and faster. Extra-virgin olive
    oil naturally contains monoglycerides and is a good choice for
    marinades.
    Dry marinades or rubs are used to enhance flavor as opposed to
    tenderize, although some may have some beneficial tenderizing side
    effects. This type is usually a mixture of herbs and spices,
    sometimes mixed wth an oil, which is rubbed into the meat, poultry
    and seafood. Those recipes using dry rubs usually specify a grill,
    pan-fry or broil cooking method.

    Don't overdo the marinade!
    As a rule, poultry and seafood are not tough cuts and could turn
    to mush or leather if left in a tenderizing marinade for an
    extended period. In fact, fish can be "cooked" in acid, requiring
    no heat at all as in one of my favorite dishes, Ceviche. Extended
    marination of tender seafood can actually toughen it by
    "overcooking" it. One-half hour of marination time before cooking
    should be sufficient to impart the flavor of the marinade to
    seafood. Marinated recipes that will not be eventually oven-cooked
    may specify a much longer time. Thirty minutes to one hour is
    usually sufficient time to successfully marinate poultry.

    Nature's tenderizers
    Nature gives us many tenderizers to choose from, both enzymatic
    and acidic. When using an acid-based marinade, be sure to use only
    containers made of glass, ceramic or stainless-steel, never
    aluminum. The chemical reaction produced between alkaline and
    aluminum not only imparts an unattractive discoloration to the
    food but can also darken and pit the aluminum container. Many
    marinades will include one of the following along with various
    herbs and spices.

    Using leftover marinades
    It seems a shame to discard that flavorful mixture, but do not be
    tempted to reuse leftover marinade without first cooking it.
    During the contact with raw foods, the marinade most likely has
    picked up harmful bacteria that could make you very ill. For the
    same reason, it's wise to cook leftover marinade before using it
    to baste with. Frugal cooks can put the leftover marinade to use
    as a sauce, but it must first be boiled for five minutes to
    destroy any harmful bacteria. Of course, this boiling process will
    render it useless as a tenderizing marinade, but it can still
    impart some flavor as a sauce. Alkalines leaked from the first
    marinated food will interact with the acids to diminish the
    sharpness or acidity of the original marinade.

    Natural Tenderizers
    Pineapple
    Figs
    Papaya
    Ginger
    Kiwifruit
    Mango
    Honeydew
    Wine
    Citrus
    Beer
    Vinegar
    Tomato
    Yogurt
    Buttermilk

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Marinade Recipes
    http://homecooking.about.com/library/archive/blcon10.htm
    "MEow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've bought some wonderful, marinated and spicy food: water
    chestnusts marinated with what I think they called a Tom-yum
    flavour, and some mushrooms marinated in something very spicy. I
    love that, but I'd love even more to be able to marinate like
    that, myself.

    If anyone can give me some tips and recipes, or reccomend a good
    book on it to me, then I'd really appreciate it.

    Thank you in advance,
    Nikitta.

  4. BOB said:

    Hey "chef" (and I use the term very loosely) when are you going to start
    giving credit to those people from whom you plagerize your information???

    http://homecooking.about.com/library/weekly/aa011700a.htm

    Word for word...but you didn't even provide the pictures, probably because
    you know that that could get you into trouble...

    Busted! <G> Good eye, BOB!

    Carol
    --
    "Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
    'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
    Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

    *James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

  5. Damsel in dis Dress said:
    BOB said:

    Hey "chef" (and I use the term very loosely) when are you going
    to start giving credit to those people from whom you plagerize
    your information???

    http://homecooking.about.com/library/weekly/aa011700a.htm

    Word for word...but you didn't even provide the pictures,
    probably because you know that that could get you into trouble...

    Busted! <G> Good eye, BOB!

    Carol

    Cheffie is just too obvious. It seems to be his trademark M.O.

    BOB

    Quoted message said:

    --
    "Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
    'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
    Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may
    quote me."

    *James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

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