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Low spoke count wheels and fork shudder

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  1. I got a great deal on a new wheelset (Gipiemme Grecal ) for one of my bikes. I put them on my
    all-steel DeBernardi and experienced a surprising amount of fork shudder on braking. Something I've
    never seen on the bike previously (Previous wheels were Helium's and a pair of MA40's before that).

    This has improved somewhat now, but it made me wonder about these kinds of wheels and newer all CF
    forks (steerer too).

    I wasn't worried about my lugged, threaded fork dealing with this shudder, but what about newer
    bikes? Is this kind of thing typical of the paired spoke kind of wheels? I also don't see this on my
    bikes with Kysium wheels and SPOX wheels, although they have a lower than (previously considered
    normal) spoke counts.

    Brakes are Chorus, if that matters. John (no fast alpine descents with these wheels) Rees

  2. Check your brake pads for alignment and proper contact. Often when you switch wheels the pads don't
    contact the same way. It has nothing to do with the number of spokes.

    Jon

    "John Rees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I got a great deal on a new wheelset (Gipiemme Grecal ) for one of my


    bikes.

    Quoted message said:

    I put them on my all-steel DeBernardi and experienced a surprising amount


    of

    Quoted message said:

    fork shudder on braking. Something I've never seen on the bike previously (Previous wheels were
    Helium's and a pair of MA40's before that).

    This has improved somewhat now, but it made me wonder about these kinds of wheels and newer all CF
    forks (steerer too).

    I wasn't worried about my lugged, threaded fork dealing with this shudder, but what about newer
    bikes? Is this kind of thing typical of the paired spoke kind of wheels? I also don't see this on
    my bikes with Kysium


    wheels

    Quoted message said:

    and SPOX wheels, although they have a lower than (previously considered normal) spoke counts.

    Brakes are Chorus, if that matters. John (no fast alpine descents with these wheels) Rees

  3. Quoted message said:

    Check your brake pads for alignment and proper contact. Often when you switch wheels the pads
    don't contact the same way. It has nothing to do with the number of spokes.

    It can also be a function of a rim whose sides aren't completely square (perpendicular to the
    ground). If there's any up/down trueness issue, the brake will see a rim of changing width, which
    can cause significant pulsing.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com

    "Jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Check your brake pads for alignment and proper contact. Often when you switch wheels the pads
    don't contact the same way. It has nothing to do with the number of spokes.

    Jon

    "John Rees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I got a great deal on a new wheelset (Gipiemme Grecal ) for one of my


    bikes.

    Quoted message said:

    I put them on my all-steel DeBernardi and experienced a surprising


    amount

    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    fork shudder on braking. Something I've never seen on the bike


    previously

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (Previous wheels were Helium's and a pair of MA40's before that).

    This has improved somewhat now, but it made me wonder about these kinds


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    wheels and newer all CF forks (steerer too).

    I wasn't worried about my lugged, threaded fork dealing with this


    shudder,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    but what about newer bikes? Is this kind of thing typical of the paired spoke kind of wheels? I
    also don't see this on my bikes with Kysium


    wheels

    Quoted message said:

    and SPOX wheels, although they have a lower than (previously considered normal) spoke counts.

    Brakes are Chorus, if that matters. John (no fast alpine descents with these wheels) Rees


  4. "Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Check your brake pads for alignment and proper contact. Often when you switch wheels the pads
    don't contact the same way. It has nothing to do with the number of spokes.

    It can also be a function of a rim whose sides aren't completely square (perpendicular to the
    ground). If there's any up/down trueness issue, the brake will see a rim of changing width, which
    can cause significant


    pulsing.

    Quoted message said:


    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com

    "Jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Check your brake pads for alignment and proper contact. Often when you switch wheels the pads
    don't contact the same way. It has nothing to do with the number of spokes.

    Jon

    "John Rees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I got a great deal on a new wheelset (Gipiemme Grecal ) for one of my


    bikes.

    Quoted message said:

    I put them on my all-steel DeBernardi and experienced a surprising


    amount

    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    fork shudder on braking. Something I've never seen on the bike


    previously

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (Previous wheels were Helium's and a pair of MA40's before that).

    This has improved somewhat now, but it made me wonder about these


    kinds

    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    wheels and newer all CF forks (steerer too).

    I wasn't worried about my lugged, threaded fork dealing with this


    shudder,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    but what about newer bikes? Is this kind of thing typical of the


    paired

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    spoke kind of wheels? I also don't see this on my bikes with Kysium


    wheels

    Quoted message said:

    and SPOX wheels, although they have a lower than (previously


    considered

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    normal) spoke counts.

    Brakes are Chorus, if that matters. John (no fast alpine descents with these wheels) Rees

    I'm going to put on a new set of brake pads and re-align them afterwards. The old ones are pretty
    worn and maybe they just 'miss' the old wheels :-) John Rees

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