whew. i wrote on this as (sorry) as I thought the incident boiled in its place and time. Kinda quirky relevant to you know landmines uhiuh Sudan....WTC NHL strike that kinda thing. Also I was mistaken where the incident occured-my information was at the TdF on site. wrong again. So when i saw the NYT photo, I was amused by the black humor (the entire disaster no longer quirky) of Llody's expression at whathisname uhuh Lemond coming thru the door wearing a cape, flash throwing it open to expose himself then running out to vanish in the smog. but the response is a lynch mob. I guesss it's not funny anymore.
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Sorry, can't read the article. The NY Times wants me to pay $4.95 for the single article, $7.95 for a month's on-line subscription, or $49.95 for a year. Anyone care to post it, or should I just file it under yesterday's news?
Sorry, can't read the article. The NY Times wants me to pay $4.95 for the single article, $7.95 for a month's on-line subscription, or $49.95 for a year. Anyone care to post it, or should I just file it under yesterday's news?
Smokey
It's not much. A reporter follows Landis around for a day or so, talking to Floyd and his wife Amber about how the positive doping test has affected their lives. Amber expresses concern about Floyd through sincerity and black humor, Floyd expresses frustration and rage through black humor and a smearing tirade against Greg LeMond. Then he goes for a 'training' ride with a bunch of local Dr's and lawyers to raise money for his 'Fairness Fund'.
The article, I thought, casts Floyd as a helplessly, incurably, almost lametably blunt but straight shooter, which would suggest that he would be incapable of maintaining an outright lie for this long. I think that, overall, it works in his favor in the court of public opinion, but I'm not sure that a reader's consensus would bear that out.
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The article, I thought, casts Floyd as a helplessly, incurably, almost lametably blunt but straight shooter, which would suggest that he would be incapable of maintaining an outright lie for this long. I think that, overall, it works in his favor in the court of public opinion, but I'm not sure that a reader's consensus would bear that out.
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Odd. I thought that the article painted Landis as lost, helpless, and suffering. I was left with the impression that he would say anything the came into his head. More to the point, I thought he sounded a bit dumb - which fit just fine with notion that he would do drugs and get caught.
You're right, if "strike again" means speaking out against doping. I don't know enough to evaluate his recommendations, but I definitely share his concern about kids joining the sport. And I admire him for continuing to talk about the doping problem. It would be great if Lance occasionally worked to help clean up the sport that has given him so much.
The article, I thought, casts Floyd as a helplessly, incurably, almost lametably blunt but straight shooter, which would suggest that he would be incapable of maintaining an outright lie for this long. I think that, overall, it works in his favor in the court of public opinion, but I'm not sure that a reader's consensus would bear that out.
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Odd. I thought that the article painted Landis as lost, helpless, and suffering. I was left with the impression that he would say anything the came into his head. More to the point, I thought he sounded a bit dumb - which fit just fine with notion that he would do drugs and get caught.
It sounds like our impression of Landis after reading the article is almost completely shared, except for a final bit of interpretation.
Does Landis have zero brain-to-mouth editing power? Are these attacks as calculated as when racing? Are they displaced self-loathing and guilt? Are they righteous rage? Smokescreen?
I guess this is why people should pay shrinks instead of trust newsgroups, and why, as Landis accurately states, no matter what the truth is his image will be forever dubious for as long as he denies doping.
You're right, if "strike again" means speaking out against doping concern about kids joining the sport our impression completely shared final bit of interpretation I guess I guess Prudhomme's (France) decision to INSTALL Contedor Is a final bit of completely shared impression concern about kids joining the sport means speaking out about doping striking again the idea Landis is rational
You're right, if "strike again" means speaking out against doping. I don't know enough to evaluate his recommendations, but I definitely share his concern about kids joining the sport. And I admire him for continuing to talk about the doping problem. It would be great if Lance occasionally worked to help clean up the sport that has given him so much.
Football, basketball, baseball, futbol, track&field, swimming, tennis, golf, dressage are OK because they do not use drugs.
On Aug 27, 11:45 pm, RU12? <[email hidden]> wrote: > Lemond has no credibility when every time an American has a serious > chance of winning Lemond will come up with some [censored] story like this.
You're right, if "strike again" means speaking out against doping. I don't know enough to evaluate his recommendations, but I definitely share his concern about kids joining the sport. And I admire him for continuing to talk about the doping problem. It would be great if Lance occasionally worked to help clean up the sport that has given him so much.
Football, basketball, baseball, futbol, track&field, swimming, tennis, golf, dressage are OK because they do not use drugs.
They are okay because they have a sane drug policy, not because there aren't players using.
IF cycling gets a sane, well enforced policy and follows their own damn procedures all will be well. That's all it really takes.
Oh, and ignore guys like Greg Lemond unless he starts acting sober.
Oh, and ignore guys like Greg Lemond unless he starts acting sober.
It's difficult to act sober unless you are sober.
(IOW, if rumors are enough): Let's get Greg tested. Frankly, he looks like he needs help.
Baseball, football (USA) are *known* to have the same problems. Include any other pro sport, include college athletics, and down into high school and even younger-- there's a great deal of misbehavior at all levels, including alumni and parents of minor (age) athletes. Cycling, and the weakest participants therein ("riders"😉 are being scapegoated for a pie-in-the-sky illusion of "purity" that has never had an existence in the real world-- including amateur Cat V parking lot criteriums.
testing testing? I'm told I was subject to "testing" so I assume "testing" of let's see who would we test, is possible? Pee Wee Herman? uhuh Jason Giambi? Kuloo the soccer player? Guiliani? say how 'bout this guy Merkx?
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:54:12 -0700, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
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Hobbes@spnb&s.com said:
Oh, and ignore guys like Greg Lemond unless he starts acting sober.
It's difficult to act sober unless you are sober.
(IOW, if rumors are enough): Let's get Greg tested. Frankly, he looks like he needs help.
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Baseball, football (USA) are *known* to have the same problems. Include any other pro sport, include college athletics, and down into high school and even younger-- there's a great deal of misbehavior at all levels, including alumni and parents of minor (age) athletes.
Thirtyfive years ago there were steroids in high school football programs. Guys packing on 35 pounds of muscle from one year to the next. Specific doctors were talked about (in that world where qualude docs had lines around the block it wasn't hard to find someone who would prescribe). I don't know if anything's changed with the prescription of HGH to teens for psychological reasons from a few years ago - seems small football players feel insecure.
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Cycling, and the weakest participants therein ("riders"😉 are being scapegoated for a pie-in-the-sky illusion of "purity" that has never had an existence in the real world-- including amateur Cat V parking lot criteriums.
testing testing? I'm told I was subject to "testing" so I assume "testing" of let's see who would we test, is possible? Pee Wee Herman? uhuh Jason Giambi? Kuloo the soccer player? Guiliani? say how 'bout this guy Merkx?
Both the guys named "Merckx" are retired. Well, maybe one more year for the kid.
Gooleyani is on stuff you can't urine test for. --D-y
information I have is whatever it is the lab looks for, the lab will find: years after ingestion. Paraphrasing what Ligget said of Rasmussen, 'he's the mountain champion and he's winning so he's guilty of the charge.' So when Merkx is gulity and Herman is guilty and everyone is guilty then everyone can go back racing and ... hmmm that doesn't solve the problem.
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:54:12 -0700, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
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Hobbes@spnb&s.com said:
Oh, and ignore guys like Greg Lemond unless he starts acting sober.
It's difficult to act sober unless you are sober.
(IOW, if rumors are enough): Let's get Greg tested. Frankly, he looks like he needs help.
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Baseball, football (USA) are *known* to have the same problems. Include any other pro sport, include college athletics, and down into high school and even younger-- there's a great deal of misbehavior at all levels, including alumni and parents of minor (age) athletes.
Thirtyfive years ago there were steroids in high school football programs. Guys packing on 35 pounds of muscle from one year to the next. Specific doctors were talked about (in that world where qualude docs had lines around the block it wasn't hard to find someone who would prescribe). I don't know if anything's changed with the prescription of HGH to teens for psychological reasons from a few years ago - seems small football players feel insecure.
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Sounds very much like what Greg said about Lance and Ferrari. But not just that Ferrari would prescribe it, but that he would recommend EPO and was comfortable with dope as part of a cyclist's program.
