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S o r n i said:

If you really think that Leno's joke (and Bob's re-telling of it) warrant
that kind of vitriol, have at it.

There was no vitriol.

I was just using an (admittedly more striking) example of offensive racism
(Historical fact, BTW), to try to make the point that seems to be utterly lost
on so many people.

ALL racism is offensive, not just that directed at other people.

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Bill "big difference between poking fun (at HISTORICAL FACT by the way) and
hate-filled rhetoric" S.

In your mind, Bill, yes, because you, like so many others, see nothing shameful
at poking fun at the French, but get all indignant when people poke fun at
Americans.

MILLIONS died in the two invasions Leno joked about (including a lot of
Americans). True, it was a long time ago, but you are like so many, you set
yourself up as some sort of God who can say (It's OK to poke fun at these people
and their tragedy, but you can't poke fun at these.)

It's simple hypocracy, and the sooner you stop deluding yourself that it isn't,
the better.

KC

S o r n i said:

the black rose said:

I first heard it as:
What do you call 10,000 violas at the bottom of the sea?
A good start.

Now *that's* funny if you're a musician. If you're not, you might not
get it.

It goes along with the following pair:
How do you get 10 violinists to play in tune?
Shoot 9 of them.
How do you get 10 violists to play in tune?
Shoot all 10 of them.

Careful, Rose. Ken Case will call you racist.

Bill "just don't mess with the trombonists, baby" S.

Bill, you got just as upset at unpleasant racism as I did.

Only diference is that I was upset by *all* the racism, you were only offended
at the anti American stuff, and rather excused that directed elsewhere.

Oh, and Bill, violinists aren't a race 😉

KC

Ken Case said:

S o r n i said:

the black rose wrote:

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It goes along with the following pair:
How do you get 10 violinists to play in tune?
Shoot 9 of them.
How do you get 10 violists to play in tune?
Shoot all 10 of them.

Careful, Rose. Ken Case will call you racist.

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Bill, you got just as upset at unpleasant racism as I did.

Only diference is that I was upset by *all* the racism, you were only
offended at the anti American stuff, and rather excused that directed
elsewhere.

I would be upset (take offense more accurate) at ANY joke about 3000 dead
people. By the way, they WEREN'T all Americans.

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Oh, and Bill, violinists aren't a race 😉

Neither are Americans and Frenchies. They're nationalities.

Sorry, Ken, I just don't think a late-night talk-show snide remark warrants
something as cruel as what you posted. (I wasn't aware of the other groups
you follow where someone posted something TRULY hateful against the French;
two separate things, however.)

Bill "appropriateness" S.

Ken Case said:

S o r n i said:

If you really think that Leno's joke (and Bob's re-telling of it)
warrant that kind of vitriol, have at it.

There was no vitriol.

I was just using an (admittedly more striking) example of offensive
racism (Historical fact, BTW), to try to make the point that seems to
be utterly lost on so many people.

ALL racism is offensive, not just that directed at other people.

Stop saying racism when it's really nationalism.

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Quoted message said:

Bill "big difference between poking fun (at HISTORICAL FACT by the
way) and hate-filled rhetoric" S.

In your mind, Bill, yes, because you, like so many others, see
nothing shameful at poking fun at the French, but get all indignant
when people poke fun at Americans.

Poking fun at France's propensity for surrendering and laughing at 3000 dead
people (of MANY nationalities) are not comparable in my opinion.

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MILLIONS died in the two invasions Leno joked about (including a lot
of Americans). True, it was a long time ago, but you are like so
many, you set yourself up as some sort of God who can say (It's OK to
poke fun at these people and their tragedy, but you can't poke fun at
these.)

It's simple hypocracy, and the sooner you stop deluding yourself that
it isn't, the better.

If there was a terrorist attack in Paris and many innocent people were
killed, I would think it TOTALLY REPREHENSIBLE to make jokes about it.
Period. (Same goes for Russia, Bali, Ireland, wherever.)

Maybe Leno was insensitive to the French. I didn't see it.

Bill "moral equivalence lacking is all I'm saying" S.

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Ken Case wrote:

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In your mind, Bill, yes, because you, like so many others, see
nothing shameful at poking fun at the French, but get all indignant
when people poke fun at Americans.

Poking fun at France's propensity for surrendering

Tell it to Napolean.

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S o r n i said:

Sorry, Ken, I just don't think a late-night talk-show snide remark warrants
something as cruel as what you posted.

I posted it as an example of what the nationalistic [censored] can degenerate into,
not as a joke.

KV

Ken Case said:

S o r n i said:

Sorry, Ken, I just don't think a late-night talk-show snide remark
warrants something as cruel as what you posted.

I posted it as an example of what the nationalistic [censored] can
degenerate into, not as a joke.

Well, at least you're now calling it /nationalistic/ [censored] and not /racist/
[censored]. 🙂

Bill "may ride mountain bike just to use the Mavics (cheap gesture -- well
actually expensive!)" S.

DRS said:

Tell it to Napolean.

we could, but well, he's dead. christ, is the australian school system as
[censored] poor as ours?
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S o r n i said:

Ken Case said:

S o r n i said:

Sorry, Ken, I just don't think a late-night talk-show snide remark
warrants something as cruel as what you posted.

I posted it as an example of what the nationalistic [censored] can
degenerate into, not as a joke.

Well, at least you're now calling it /nationalistic/ [censored] and not /racist/
[censored]. 🙂

That's because you are correct. Americans (and Austrailians, Canadians, British)
are not a race, as you said.

If someone points out an error in what I have written, I like to take it on
board (unless I'm feeling stupidly combatative).

KC

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DRS said:

Tell it to Napolean.

we could, but well, he's dead. christ, is the australian school
system as [censored] poor as ours?

I assume you're talking about the phrase "tell it to..." rather than the
typo. You're the second American to get hung up on it rather than focus on
the point being made. Oh, and no, the Australian school system is not as
poor as yours. We still teach the correct use of capitalization.

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DRS said:

Tell it to Napolean.

we could, but well, he's dead. christ, is the australian school
system as [censored] poor as ours?

I assume you're talking about the phrase "tell it to..." rather than the
typo. You're the second American to get hung up on it rather than focus on
the point being made. Oh, and no, the Australian school system is not as
poor as yours. We still teach the correct use of capitalization.

soooo, you know napeoleon is dead right?
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Ken Case wrote:

[...]

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In your mind, Bill, yes, because you, like so many others, see
nothing shameful at poking fun at the French, but get all indignant
when people poke fun at Americans.

Poking fun at France's propensity for surrendering

Tell it to Napolean.

De Gaulle would have slapped piddlewits snotless for that remark.

1,400,000 French soldiers were killed during WWI. As a result, there
weren't many Frenchmen left to fight in World War II. More than
100,000 French soldiers died trying to stop Adolf [censored].

Relying on the Maginot Line was stupid stupid stupid but it does not
reflect on the courage of those who died for France in 1940.

Yet yanks like to conveniently forget that for 18 months after that
execrable defeat, the USA continued to have cordial diplomatic
relations with Nazi Germany.
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DRS said:

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DRS <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Tell it to Napolean.

we could, but well, he's dead. christ, is the australian school
system as [censored] poor as ours?

I assume you're talking about the phrase "tell it to..." rather than
the typo. You're the second American to get hung up on it rather
than focus on the point being made. Oh, and no, the Australian
school system is not as poor as yours. We still teach the correct
use of capitalization.

soooo, you know napeoleon is dead right?

Yes. Otherwise you Yanks wouldn't be getting hung up on the phrasing, eh?

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Sat, 4 Sep 2004 04:29:43 +1000, <[email hidden]>, "DRS"

Quoted message said:

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Ken Case wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

> In your mind, Bill, yes, because you, like so many others, see
> nothing shameful at poking fun at the French, but get all indignant
> when people poke fun at Americans.

Poking fun at France's propensity for surrendering

Tell it to Napolean.

De Gaulle would have slapped piddlewits snotless for that remark.

1,400,000 French soldiers were killed during WWI. As a result, there
weren't many Frenchmen left to fight in World War II.

And 1,935,000 German soldiers died, so how was it Germany had troops enough
in 1939? (Hint: it was 21 years later).

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More than
100,000 French soldiers died trying to stop Adolf [censored].

Relying on the Maginot Line was stupid stupid stupid but it does not
reflect on the courage of those who died for France in 1940.

Yet yanks like to conveniently forget that for 18 months after that
execrable defeat, the USA continued to have cordial diplomatic
relations with Nazi Germany.

I don't know about cordial. But Joseph Kennedy had a lot to answer for.

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soooo, you know napeoleon is dead right?

Yes. Otherwise you Yanks wouldn't be getting hung up on the phrasing, eh?

ahhhh, i'm half australian ... mate. me dear mum. maybe we can hoist a
few victoria bitters next time i'm down under?
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Sat, 4 Sep 2004 05:54:50 +1000, <[email hidden]>, "DRS"

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1,400,000 French soldiers were killed during WWI. As a result, there
weren't many Frenchmen left to fight in World War II.

And 1,935,000 German soldiers died, so how was it Germany had troops enough
in 1939? (Hint: it was 21 years later).

Population -1939
Germany (including Austria) 76,008,000
France 41,600,000

Steel production in tons - 1939
Germany - 23,329,000
France - 6,221,000
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DRS said:

"David Reuteler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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soooo, you know napeoleon is dead right?

Yes. Otherwise you Yanks wouldn't be getting hung up on the
phrasing, eh?

ahhhh, i'm half australian ... mate. me dear mum. maybe we can
hoist a few victoria bitters next time i'm down under?

If you're half-Aus then why, oh why are you getting hung up about an
Australian phrase? Jesus wept, loosen up.

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Sat, 4 Sep 2004 05:54:50 +1000, <[email hidden]>, "DRS"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

1,400,000 French soldiers were killed during WWI. As a result, there
weren't many Frenchmen left to fight in World War II.

And 1,935,000 German soldiers died, so how was it Germany had troops
enough in 1939? (Hint: it was 21 years later).

Population -1939
Germany (including Austria) 76,008,000
France 41,600,000

You left out Britain. In any event, I contend there were more than enough
Allies to fight the Germans. Numbers were not the problem.

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Steel production in tons - 1939
Germany - 23,329,000
France - 6,221,000

That's not necessarily indicative of anything substantive other than that
Germany was preparing for war and France wasn't.

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DRS said:

"David Reuteler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> soooo, you know napeoleon is dead right?
Yes. Otherwise you Yanks wouldn't be getting hung up on the
phrasing, eh?

ahhhh, i'm half australian ... mate. me dear mum. maybe we can
hoist a few victoria bitters next time i'm down under?

If you're half-Aus then why, oh why are you getting hung up about an
Australian phrase? Jesus wept, loosen up.

i was making a joke? anyhow, it's not an australian phrase & would be
understood in the way you intended anywhere in the USA.
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i was making a joke?

No need for the question mark, it made me snorfle.

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