Kunich Knows All

Is this more of your ideas about truth etc? Allegations by
CBS? And even greater - somehow you're trying to imply that
there was something incorrect about the Justice Dept. not
wanting the tapes released. Gee, it couldn't be because they
were being taken out of context, could it?

And here all this time I always thought that $250 a megawatt
hour was cheap as hell.

I guess it's time for your to go back to practicing on the
skin flute Howard.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Kunich said:

Is this more of your ideas about truth etc? Allegations by
CBS? And even greater - somehow you're trying to imply
that there was something incorrect about the Justice Dept.
not wanting the tapes released. Gee, it couldn't be
because they were being taken out of context, could it?

And here all this time I always thought that $250 a
megawatt hour was cheap as hell.

I guess it's time for your to go back to practicing on the
skin flute Howard.

you are replying to is not Howard - at least not this
Howard. And by the way, it is interesting how fast you seem
to revert to elementary school

later, as I have places to go now.

--
tanx, Howard

"Copper will never be gold" Shellac

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Kunich said:

Is this more of your ideas about truth etc? Allegations by
CBS? And even greater - somehow you're trying to imply
that there was something incorrect about the Justice Dept.
not wanting the tapes released. Gee, it couldn't be
because they were being taken out of context, could it?

And here all this time I always thought that $250 a
megawatt hour was cheap as hell.

I guess it's time for your to go back to practicing on the
skin flute Howard.

I want you to get this straight, and get it straight
*now*, [censored]. When I choose to mock one of your
delusional ideas of reality, I will do it the same way I
always have: with *** MY *** name right up there at the
top. Get it? Got it? Good.

Moving on, I do have to say that both the items
brought up by the OP are good calls. Let's start with
this one, shall we?

Apparently "allegations by CBS" are bad. Too bad these
aren't exactly allegations. "Taken out of context",
indeed. It has been known for ages that the energy
companies gamed the system to gouge California. Why?
Because those quotes are but a drop in the bucket from
the taped conversations among energy traders. Several of
them have been cooperating with investigators. There are
acres of internal memos and documents that show what
Dynegy, Reliant, Duke, Williams etc. were up to. In late
April, Dynegy settled on some of the claims against it.

But no! The great one says it was Gray Davis who caused
all the problems, ordering plants to close down for
maintenance. What planet are you on? You make claims
about there being paperwork that shows he did that, but,
as usual, Sir Cites-A-Not refused to provide any kind of
link to back up his wild-ass ***ALLEGATIONS***. On the
face of it, to even suggest that the governor of a state
would force power generating plants to close down when
there were rolling blackouts going on because of
"shortages" of power is plainly absurd. First, if the
state causes businesses to have to shut down because they
shut off power to them, wouldn't that cause the
businesses to lose money, and, by extension, the state
lose tax revenue? Second, how the hell would causing an
energy crisis benefit the governor of that state?

If none of those energy companies did anything wrong,
then why are FERC commissioners saying they plan to strip
the wholesale trading privileges of Enron, Reliant and a
unit of BP PLC because of their manipulative trading
activities during the energy crisis?

The simple fact is you have a simplistic way of looking
at things: you have an automatic scapegoat for all
situations in those "Liberals" you hate and fear so much.
And you'll twist any situation so you can blame them for
whatever bad thing that goes on. If you paid an
electricity bill during the faux-energy crisis, like the
rest of California did, you got gouged. Now don't you
wnat the people who are to blame for causing that gouging
to be held accountable? Most people would, but not you.
You'd rather rail at your favorite enemies, demanding
that they be brought to justice. And when nothing comes
of that, you'll shake your head and cry that "They got
away with it!" But you'll be secretly pleased that, once
again, you were victimized by the evil "Liberals". More
ammo for Tom!!!!

If you really want to know what's going on, try looking
at some sites other than the World Nut Daily, the
Moonie Times or Free Republic. How can you claim to
have any kind of perspective if you're not even
registered with the WaPo?

--
tanx, Howard

"Copper will never be gold" Shellac

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

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Quoted message said:

Is this more of your ideas about truth etc? Allegations by
CBS? And even greater - somehow you're trying to imply
that there was something incorrect about the Justice Dept.
not wanting the tapes released. Gee, it couldn't be
because they were being taken out of context, could it?

the following be okay?

From the 06/02/04 broadcast:

"Another taped exchange between different employees
regarding a possible newspaper interview goes like this:

Employee 3: "This guy from the Wall Street Journal calls me
up a little bit ago."

Employee 4: "I wouldn't do it, because first of all
you'd have to tell 'em a lot of lies because if you told
the truth."

Employee 3: "I'd get in trouble."

Employee 4: "You'd get in trouble."

Eventually, the lies unraveled and traders scrambled.

"I'm just -- f--k -- I'm just trying to be an honest camper
so I only go to jail once," says one employee."

Or how about this, from 06/08/04?

"Elsewhere on the tapes, another employee says, "This is
where California breaks."

"Yeah, it sure does man," says another.

And they proposed to do that by exporting energy out of the
state so the company could drive up prices even more.

"What we need to do is to help in the cause of, ah, downfall
of California," an employee is heard saying on the tapes.
"You guys need to pull your megawatts out of California on a
daily basis."

"They're on the ropes today," says another employee. "I
exported like a f------g 400 megs."

"Wow,'' says another employee, "f--k 'em, right!"

And later in the same report:

"They also used the oldest trick in the book: lies.

"It's called lies. It's all how well you can weave
these lies together, Shari, alright, so," an employee
is heard saying.

The other employee says, "I feel like I'm being
corrupted now."

The first employee adds, "No, this is marketing,"

"OK.'"

Bush's DoJ want the tapes released? Gee, it couldn't be
because Lay served on Cheney's energy task force (the
details of which Cheney is in court, fighting to keep secret
from congress), and was W's single largest political
contruibuor, could it?