Kunich Knows All

Is this more of your ideas about truth etc? Allegations by CBS? And even
greater - somehow you're trying to imply that there was something incorrect
about the Justice Dept. not wanting the tapes released. Gee, it couldn't be
because they were being taken out of context, could it?

And here all this time I always thought that $250 a megawatt hour was cheap
as hell.

I guess it's time for your to go back to practicing on the skin flute
Howard.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Kunich said:

Is this more of your ideas about truth etc? Allegations by CBS? And even
greater - somehow you're trying to imply that there was something incorrect
about the Justice Dept. not wanting the tapes released. Gee, it couldn't be
because they were being taken out of context, could it?

And here all this time I always thought that $250 a megawatt hour was cheap
as hell.

I guess it's time for your to go back to practicing on the skin flute
Howard.

HEY [censored]!!!!!!!!! Should I assume you're talking to me???? The person
you are replying to is not Howard - at least not this Howard. And by the
way, it is interesting how fast you seem to revert to elementary school
references to homosexuality in your replies. I'll get back to you on this
later, as I have places to go now.

--
tanx,
Howard

"Copper will never be gold"
Shellac

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Kunich said:

Is this more of your ideas about truth etc? Allegations by CBS? And even
greater - somehow you're trying to imply that there was something incorrect
about the Justice Dept. not wanting the tapes released. Gee, it couldn't be
because they were being taken out of context, could it?

And here all this time I always thought that $250 a megawatt hour was cheap
as hell.

I guess it's time for your to go back to practicing on the skin flute
Howard.

I want you to get this straight, and get it straight *now*, [censored].
When I choose to mock one of your delusional ideas of reality, I will do it
the same way I always have: with *** MY *** name right up there at the top.
Get it? Got it? Good.

Moving on, I do have to say that both the items brought up by the OP are
good calls. Let's start with this one, shall we?

Apparently "allegations by CBS" are bad. Too bad these aren't exactly
allegations. "Taken out of context", indeed. It has been known for ages
that the energy companies gamed the system to gouge California. Why?
Because those quotes are but a drop in the bucket from the taped
conversations among energy traders. Several of them have been cooperating
with investigators. There are acres of internal memos and documents that
show what Dynegy, Reliant, Duke, Williams etc. were up to. In late April,
Dynegy settled on some of the claims against it.

But no! The great one says it was Gray Davis who caused all the
problems, ordering plants to close down for maintenance. What planet are
you on? You make claims about there being paperwork that shows he did that,
but, as usual, Sir Cites-A-Not refused to provide any kind of link to back
up his wild-ass ***ALLEGATIONS***. On the face of it, to even suggest that
the governor of a state would force power generating plants to close down
when there were rolling blackouts going on because of "shortages" of power
is plainly absurd. First, if the state causes businesses to have to shut
down because they shut off power to them, wouldn't that cause the
businesses to lose money, and, by extension, the state lose tax revenue?
Second, how the hell would causing an energy crisis benefit the governor of
that state?

If none of those energy companies did anything wrong, then why are FERC
commissioners saying they plan to strip the wholesale trading privileges of
Enron, Reliant and a unit of BP PLC because of their manipulative trading
activities during the energy crisis?

The simple fact is you have a simplistic way of looking at things: you
have an automatic scapegoat for all situations in those "Liberals" you hate
and fear so much. And you'll twist any situation so you can blame them for
whatever bad thing that goes on. If you paid an electricity bill during the
faux-energy crisis, like the rest of California did, you got gouged. Now
don't you wnat the people who are to blame for causing that gouging to be
held accountable? Most people would, but not you. You'd rather rail at your
favorite enemies, demanding that they be brought to justice. And when
nothing comes of that, you'll shake your head and cry that "They got away
with it!" But you'll be secretly pleased that, once again, you were
victimized by the evil "Liberals". More ammo for Tom!!!!

If you really want to know what's going on, try looking at some sites
other than the World Nut Daily, the Moonie Times or Free Republic. How can
you claim to have any kind of perspective if you're not even registered
with the WaPo?

--
tanx,
Howard

"Copper will never be gold"
Shellac

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Is this more of your ideas about truth etc? Allegations by CBS? And
even greater - somehow you're trying to imply that there was something
incorrect about the Justice Dept. not wanting the tapes released. Gee,
it couldn't be because they were being taken out of context, could it?

So, Tom, since you're so [censored] smart and all, in what context would
the following be okay?

From the 06/02/04 broadcast:

"Another taped exchange between different employees regarding a possible
newspaper interview goes like this:

Employee 3: "This guy from the Wall Street Journal calls me up a little
bit ago."

Employee 4: "I wouldn't do it, because first of all you'd have to tell
'em a lot of lies because if you told the truth."

Employee 3: "I'd get in trouble."

Employee 4: "You'd get in trouble."

Eventually, the lies unraveled and traders scrambled.

"I'm just -- f--k -- I'm just trying to be an honest camper so I only go
to jail once," says one employee."

Or how about this, from 06/08/04?

"Elsewhere on the tapes, another employee says, "This is where
California breaks."

"Yeah, it sure does man," says another.

And they proposed to do that by exporting energy out of the state so the
company could drive up prices even more.

"What we need to do is to help in the cause of, ah, downfall of
California," an employee is heard saying on the tapes. "You guys need to
pull your megawatts out of California on a daily basis."

"They're on the ropes today," says another employee. "I exported like a
f------g 400 megs."

"Wow,'' says another employee, "f--k 'em, right!"

And later in the same report:

"They also used the oldest trick in the book: lies.

"It's called lies. It's all how well you can weave these lies together,
Shari, alright, so," an employee is heard saying.

The other employee says, "I feel like I'm being corrupted now."

The first employee adds, "No, this is marketing,"

"OK.'"

In what context could ANY of that NOT be [censored] up, Tom? And why didn't
Bush's DoJ want the tapes released? Gee, it couldn't be because Lay
served on Cheney's energy task force (the details of which Cheney is in
court, fighting to keep secret from congress), and was W's single
largest political contruibuor, could it?