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  1. Following up on something I saw in an earlier thread (maybe by Tamyka??) which I think referred to one (if not both) knees rolling in through the pedal stroke. I think the idea was to drop one's heel through the stroke to eliminate this behavioural excentricity.

    My curiosity is three fold:

    • the almost unconscious movement of the knee may be less than efficient
    • it may predispose a rider to injury
    • it looks bad (I won't address the hackneyed (hack-kneed) chestnuts of style like sock length or jersey design)

    I first remember seeing mirror image perfect knee alignment on Erik Breukink climbing a mountain in the tour in the late 80s. Pure machine-like efficiency and precision. 😎

    Any comments about these issues mainly preventing injury and maximising pedalling efficiency? Any advice appreciated. 🙂

    Cheers

    Dee Dub

  2. Dee Dub said:


    Following up on something I saw in an earlier thread (maybe by Tamyka??)
    which I think referred to one (if not both) knees rolling in through the
    pedal stroke. I think the idea was to drop one's heel through the
    stroke to eliminate this behavioural excentricity.

    My curiosity is three fold:

    - the almost unconscious movement of the knee may be less than
    efficient
    - it may predispose a rider to injury
    - it looks bad (I won't address the hackneyed (hack-kneed) chestnuts
    of style like sock length or jersey design)

    I first remember seeing mirror image perfect knee alignment on Erik
    Breukink climbing a mountain in the tour in the late 80s. Pure
    machine-like efficiency and precision. 😎

    Any comments about these issues mainly preventing injury and maximising
    pedalling efficiency? Any advice appreciated. 🙂

    Cheers

    Dee Dub

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    Dee Dub

    Hey there Dee Dub,

    this is one I was thinking about, because if you look at pics of Lance
    from front on, his knees are in quite close. Max-the-guru said there's
    one spot he doesn't worry about knee issues and that's any movement at
    the very top of the pedal stroke - just because in his experience it
    tends to be blocking at the hip joint (from tight hip flexors etc);
    however if it's a gradual roll etc then it's bad, bad, bad.

    I think mirror image perfect knee alignment requires mirror image
    perfect knees and feet and hips, which I don't have - one hip sits
    higher and more forward than the other. The physios and podiatrist I saw
    said they didn't care where it was, as long as my knees were moving in a
    straight line (i.e. vertical or slanted in towards the bar was fine as
    the actual angle was Q-angle based and nothing I could do about that),
    and my hips weren't rocking or anything.

    The reason I need to hold my knees out (opposite of a lot of people) is
    that I'm internally rotating my femur, causing weird circles with my
    knees, almost hitting the top tube, and basically blocking my ability to
    use my vastus medialis (the part of your quads that's towards the inside
    of the leg), and putting all the work on the vastus lateralis (outside
    part of the quads). Thinking about "knees out" doesn't actually put my
    knees out to the side at all, it jsut makes them move in a straight
    line, and all of a sudden I've got heaps more power output. It's great!

    The heels-down thing is not about my knees but rather because I have of
    late been getting tight calves, probably from not running as much as I
    used to; letting my heels come up is worsening the problem.

    Tam

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