Kiddy Trailers

Theo Bekkers said:

You think there are no hills where I lived? Or do you think I am not
familiar with Sydney?

He is hopeing that none of us are.

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And yet they outlive us guys by an average of three years.

It is obvious that he doesn't ride, otherwise he would know the
advantages of riding slow. {:-).

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No bicycle paths where I went to school Pat.

He wouldn't understand. He didn't ride a bicycle. It was his father who
rode a bicycle.

I suspect that he is now a cripple and his quack has told him to take up
bicycle riding to get better. He seems to be doing that River in Africa
stage and trying to apply that unsubstantiated study that says just
thinking about exercise is as good doing the exercise.

To top it off, his stories are the same old boring desperate old looser
ones I've heard over and over again. Really sad that someone his age has
to resort to that.

Terryc said:

Theo Bekkers wrote:

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No bicycle paths where I went to school Pat.

He wouldn't understand. He didn't ride a bicycle. It was his father
who rode a bicycle.

I suspect that he is now a cripple and his quack has told him to take
up bicycle riding to get better. He seems to be doing that River in
Africa stage

The Zambesi?

Theo

Anyone who still refers to the female population as 'Sheilas' would be hard up getting a root, as is Patrick Turner by the sound of his sh!t.

Patrick, in case you faile to notice, this is a thread about transporting children on pushbikes, not about your pathetic existence.

If you have nothing positive, nor relevant to contribute to this thread, I hereby ask you in the nicest way possible to [censored] off.

😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄

Graeme Dods said:

And a second vote for the tubing outside the wheels. There's bound to
be a time when you misjudge your position whilst passing a bollard and
clip it slightly[1]. The protection round the wheels means it just has
a bit of a skip sideways. Without them I think it would be fairly
likely the wheel could stop dead or lift up rather alarmingly.

So, having stub axles for the wheels is a useless design. Yyou would be
better off with an upside down Y or V shape that goes around the outside
of the wheels. So your wheel wouldn't clip something or bounce back,
but the trailer would slide sideways.

On Sep 11, 9:26 am, LotteBum <LotteBum.2wp...@no-

mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:

Dave Wrote:> I think we were using a standard style trailer from around 9 months,

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though very carefully. The problem is that the kids are quite upright,
so need to have pretty good neck muscles. That doesn't come until 9-12
months for most kids.

Aha. This is a point I had not considered. It's a bit of a bugger
though - I thought I'd be getting around and clocking up the k's when I
retire (sometime between Christmas and mid February).

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Ideally it'd be possible to get something where a car style capsule
would clip in, preferably with some kind of roll cage just in case. I
haven't
seen anything like that around. I've no idea what the standard practice
in
countries where bike transport is more or less standard, but I suspect
it's public transport, lifts and walking.

My mum tells me that as soon as I could hold my head up, she put me on
the back of her bike with one of those u-shaped neck things aroudn my
neck. That said, back then, helmets weren't common, so I didn't have
to support that.

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Oh, and is there something you're not telling us?

Yes. Contrary to popular belief, I am not a virgin.

Lotte

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LotteBum

Hey Lotte, I only just noticed this thread. Well done to you and
Paulie! That will cruel the MTB outings! You were complaining about
putting on weight, but I was thinking it was too much chockie.

I had my littlies on a bike seat over the back wheel after they could
support the weight of their head. Still, it was funny to get the
"Thunk" on my back when they went to sleep and flopped forward. All
three loved going out on the bike. One driver told me what I was doing
was dangerous. What could I say, but that it was only dangerous
because of him, so could he please care for cyclists?

Donga

BT Humble said:

Patrick Turner said:

Theo Bekkers wrote:

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Patrick Turner wrote:

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> Back in Ancient Times during the 1950s when I was a youngster, the
> idea of my mum or my father pedling around
> Sydney Roads with child trailers behind push bikes would have been
> utterly impractical and
> entirely irresponsible because of the dangers of riding on the crowded
> narrow roads.

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Geez Pat, you come from a family of wimps.

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You would say that of course, but wimps we are not.

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Dear Pat,

Why do you have to write an essay every time you post? When Theo
needles you like that, a simple "Oh yeah? Well YOU are!" is more than
sufficient.

Concisely yours,

BTH

There was some pithy stuff in the above essays. Toughen up, BTH ;-)

Terryc said:

Theo Bekkers said:

You think there are no hills where I lived? Or do you think I am not
familiar with Sydney?

He is hopeing that none of us are.

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And yet they outlive us guys by an average of three years.

It is obvious that he doesn't ride, otherwise he would know the
advantages of riding slow. {:-).

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No bicycle paths where I went to school Pat.

He wouldn't understand. He didn't ride a bicycle. It was his father who
rode a bicycle.

I suspect that he is now a cripple and his quack has told him to take up
bicycle riding to get better. He seems to be doing that River in Africa
stage and trying to apply that unsubstantiated study that says just
thinking about exercise is as good doing the exercise.

To top it off, his stories are the same old boring desperate old looser
ones I've heard over and over again. Really sad that someone his age has
to resort to that.

Donga said:

BT Humble said:

Patrick Turner said:

Theo Bekkers wrote:

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> Patrick Turner wrote:

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> > Back in Ancient Times during the 1950s when I was a youngster, the
> > idea of my mum or my father pedling around
> > Sydney Roads with child trailers behind push bikes would have been
> > utterly impractical and
> > entirely irresponsible because of the dangers of riding on the crowded
> > narrow roads.

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> Geez Pat, you come from a family of wimps.

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You would say that of course, but wimps we are not.

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Dear Pat,

Why do you have to write an essay every time you post? When Theo
needles you like that, a simple "Oh yeah? Well YOU are!" is more than
sufficient.

Concisely yours,

BTH

There was some pithy stuff in the above essays. Toughen up, BTH ;-)

I write an essay sometimes in replies to expand the range of
discussions.

It rarely works to expand anything, and I get all this [censored] in return,
because the [censored] don't know how to string more than two words
together,
or are unable to focus attention for longer than 2 seconds.

To every factoid about cycling as a means of transport there is a
surrounding list
of relevant history and salient facts. I enjoy reasons about WHY some
things are done.

I try to deal with ppl firmly and fairly. Theo and other rather negative
knocker types
who lurk here don't really worry me. Theo was the one who remarked all
the cycle paths here
in the ACT should be ploughed up and grassed over. He illustrates that
he is somewhat barmy.
He knows and the group knows, and any reading politician knows exactly
how I'd like the politicians
in relation to cycle travel in the ACT. What Theo says is of zero
concern to me at least, because luckily
the politicians practice policies largely entirely friendly and
sympathetic to what I have spelled out
about cyclists' amenities.
The system the pollies have implemented isn't perfect, and nothing ever
is, but used with care the
cycle paths remove completely any worry anyone has with being run down
by a motorist.

For me, cycling is only a part of life, not the whole of life, and how
and why cycling fits into lifestyles
is relevant material which I don't mind seeing ppl debate.

I always get a lift when folks complain about my long posts.

But they read every syllable right to the end though eh.

They just can't be nice to people they like.

Patrick Turner.

Donga said:

BT Humble said:

<snip>

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Dear Pat,

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Why do you have to write an essay every time you post? When Theo
needles you like that, a simple "Oh yeah? Well YOU are!" is more than
sufficient.

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Concisely yours,

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BTH

There was some pithy stuff in the above essays. Toughen up, BTH ;-)

Sorry Donga.

Chastened BTH

"Theo Bekkers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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BT Humble said:

Patrick Turner said:

Theo Bekkers wrote:

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> Geez Pat, you come from a family of wimps.

You would say that of course, but wimps we are not.

<snip>

Dear Pat,

Why do you have to write an essay every time you post? When Theo
needles you like that, a simple "Oh yeah? Well YOU are!" is more than
sufficient.

What? Me needle? I feel insulted now.

Theo
:-)

Oh yeah? Well YOU...are...umm

That's not as effective as I'd hoped.

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"Theo Bekkers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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BT Humble said:

Patrick Turner wrote:
> Theo Bekkers wrote:

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>> Geez Pat, you come from a family of wimps.
>
> You would say that of course, but wimps we are not.

<snip>

Dear Pat,

Why do you have to write an essay every time you post? When Theo
needles you like that, a simple "Oh yeah? Well YOU are!" is more than
sufficient.

What? Me needle? I feel insulted now.

Theo
:-)

Oh yeah? Well YOU...are...umm

That's not as effective as I'd hoped.

No, no I've got it now..

ahem

Oh yeah? Well you ARE!

(It's all about emphasis)

"Theo Bekkers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Terryc said:

Theo Bekkers wrote:

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No bicycle paths where I went to school Pat.

He wouldn't understand. He didn't ride a bicycle. It was his father
who rode a bicycle.

I suspect that he is now a cripple and his quack has told him to take
up bicycle riding to get better. He seems to be doing that River in
Africa stage

The Zambesi?

Theo

The Congo.

"LotteBum" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Anyone who still refers to the female population as 'Sheilas' would be
hard up getting a root, as is Patrick Turner by the sound of his sh!t.

Patrick, in case you faile to notice, this is a thread about
transporting children on pushbikes, not about your pathetic existence.

If you have nothing positive, nor relevant to contribute to this
thread, I hereby ask you in the nicest way possible to [censored] off.

😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄

--
LotteBum

Don't mince words Lotte, tell us what you really think. 🙂

Graeme Dods said:

SMS said:

Avoid any trailer
that doesn't have the aluminum tubing around the outside of the wheels,
i.e. the new Burley d'Lite is no good.

And a second vote for the tubing outside the wheels. There's bound to
be a time when you misjudge your position whilst passing a bollard and
clip it slightly[1]. The protection round the wheels means it just has
a bit of a skip sideways. Without them I think it would be fairly
likely the wheel could stop dead or lift up rather alarmingly.

Graeme

[1] Or so I've heard, apparently, never happened to me of course, no
never :-o

LOL, I've seen it happen, and it's happened to me.

It's a damn shame what happened to Burley, not only the decontenting of
the trailers, but the discontinuation of the Piccolo, and the Kidback
(child tandem adapter). As I understand it they were close to going
under, and someone bought the company, and discontinued every product
other than trailers, and cheapened the design of the trailers.

While the Schwinn Mark III is no doubt made in China, the design looks
similar to the older Burley d'Lite. Probably not as clever a hitch though.

Donga said:

Hey Lotte, I only just noticed this thread. Well done to you and Paulie! That will cruel the MTB outings! You were complaining about putting on weight, but I was thinking it was too much chockie.

Ha, I actually lost a bit in the first trimester (2.5kg to be precise - feeling like sh!t will do that to you), but I've gained a bit of that again. I'm only 14 weeks, so you still can't tell. I'm only just beginning to notice myself (pants a little tight, abs feeling like they actually exist etc.).

Oh, and as for the mtb outings, they're still on. We're riding this Saturday. I'll text you.

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I had my littlies on a bike seat over the back wheel after they could
support the weight of their head. Still, it was funny to get the
"Thunk" on my back when they went to sleep and flopped forward. All
three loved going out on the bike. One driver told me what I was doing
was dangerous. What could I say, but that it was only dangerous
because of him, so could he please care for cyclists?

Nice one! Heh!!

LH

LotteBum said:

For a bloke, you know an awful lot about being stretchy, Theo. I'm
worried about you.

I come from a large and still growing family. My parents arrived here with
seven children in 1953 and, at the family reunion in 2004, 115 people turned
up, all direct descendants and their partners.

Obviously a few couldn't make it.

I told my dad a few years ago that the population of Australia has more than
doubled since the Bekkers family arrived. :-)

Theo

Theo Bekkers said:

I told my dad a few years ago that the population of Australia has more than doubled since the Bekkers family arrived. :-)

I hope you're not the only one out of those who rides bikes :-)

LotteBum said:

Theo Bekkers Wrote:

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I told my dad a few years ago that the population of Australia has
more than doubled since the Bekkers family arrived. :-)

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I hope you're not the only one out of those who rides bikes :-)

My dad's brothers were road-racers (I never knew them, all three did not
survive the war), my older brother got cautioned for speeding once by the
local copper, my younger brother rode his track bike everywhere (he could
lock up the wheel with the pedals when he wanted to stop in a hurry). My son
and I once did a 300 km weekend ride. My daughter has a Terry because she is
very short. In case you're not familiar with them, a Terry has a 700 rear
wheel and a 24" front. This allows you to have a proper frame and gearing
with the small front wheel giving you some headstem depth. My personal daily
best was 210 kms. Unfortunately there is nowhere to go from where I live
now, the 'local' shop is 10 klicks with a 50 metre climb and a 100 metre
drop in the first (or last on the way back) thre kms, so I'm getting fat.

Theo

LotteBum said:

My problem, however, is that most say you should not use these for child
carrying purposes until the child is 12 months old, as they run the risk
of suffering from shaken baby syndrome prior to this. I find this
absurd.
[...]
Does anyone have any advice regarding this?

I would (and did) heed this advice.

Weens don't have the neck strength to stop their head bobbing around.
(think of a dash-board bobbing elvis)

But this is a product of the upright sitting position. I've seen photos
of people using a trailer to carry a baby in a car-capsule. I don't have
any fundamental ill-regard for this, so as long and the capsule is
strapped in too.

I've towed various kids in the trailer, all of them 1-year onwards.
Used it this morning to drop ~35kg of kids off at school, and then
pre-school. Taken it on largeish bicycle tours too, the trailer is the
best choice for perambulating your weens by far.

In some other threads, people have mentioned that trailers with
non-surrounded wheels are dangerous. Based on me *never* having
an accident the way they describe (clipping something between
the wheel and trailer body) over 7 years of pulling the trailer,
I don't feel this is a big risk. You very quickly learn how wide
your trailer is, especially if you negotiate the same paths more
often than not.

I have flipped the trailer once - when it was empty. This does not have
anything to do with whether the wheels are within a cage or not. If you
take a gutter at speed, and catch one wheel on the 'ramp' where the flat
becomes square-section gutter again, it will flip. More easily with less
weight too.

FWIW, our trailer is a Trek Transit, the lower-end model. I read
somewhere that this these are (were?) a licenced design from Chariot brand
trailers. The only issue I have with the trailer, is that sandy gumboots
and shoes tend to prematurely wear-out the fabric floor of the cockpit.
We're due for our 3rd re-skin soon, and this time I'll put in a car-mat or
something.

Feel free to email me directly for specific questions.

Oh, and there's a huge writeup on trailer pros & cons in the FAQ.

cheers,
-kt

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Kingsley Turner,
http://MadDogsBreakfast.com/ABFAQ - news:aus.bicycle Frequenly Asked Questions

Thanks a bunch Kingsley. Had a look at the FAQ and it's very informative. Much appreciate it.