kh '08?

yes he needs a seatpost that is stronger at the top, maybe strengthen
the bottom of the seat tube, make the seat tube a touch longer, and use
a better saddle base, i imagine that with bulk orders he might be able
to get carbon for a reasonable price...

stronger rims for the 20" and the 24" would be nice as the 20" tends to
buckle when you push it a bit, so i reckon slightly smaller drill holes
and you will notice the inside wall of the rim is about half as thick
as the outer wall, so it both were the same thickness combines with
slightly smaller drill holes the strength would go up niceley.

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GizmoDuck said:

yes, but you would still only need 25mm of adjustability if you had the
correct sized seatpost for your height.

Ken

Disc: short guy

you need more than 25mm adjustability... or at least i do. I keep the
seat lower than normal for muni and higher than normal for comfortable
road riding. I shortened the seatpost as little as possible, but now
it's still not long enough when I switch to road.

edit: oops, i see peter covered what i'm talking about... yes, longer
seat tube please, kris.

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boo radley said:

oops, i see peter covered what i'm talking about...

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kerosian said:

I only know of one modification to the '08 KH line, and that's the tire
on the 29". Kris is using an '08 29er tire right now, and he told me
they would be on the '08 KH. I think its made by WTB but I don't
remember the name, it should be wider than the current tires.

I don't know if it is any of these, but here are some that are
available.

Specialized Resolution 29x2.3
http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCEqProduct.jsp?spid=26406

HALO CHOIR MASTER 29x2.35
http://tinyurl.com/2rsmnw
Mtb thread
http://tinyurl.com/yty9yt

WTB ExiWolf 2.3 (55/50) 29" Steel DNA Tire
http://stores.channeladvisor.com/ebikestop/items/004-TR1644
http://tinyurl.com/2oaw6s
http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?sku=14772&PID=1204522

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I talked to Kris about 2008 improvements over email. I suggested some of
this

Saddle- for the fusion street, change the foam to make it more
Luxury-like. The Luxury saddle is by far and away the nicest saddle for
seat-out hopping and is also comfortable to sit on too. You'd only
really know if you've tried both.

Frame- pretty decent, but Kris was interested by my idea of improving
the alloy to 6066 (Ultra 6) which is the modern standard for the top
biketrials frames. It is a tiny bit flexier than 7005 but less brittle,
making it great for a trials frame as it absorbs a lot of shock and
flex the tiniest bit than rather be stiffer and more brittle. ... Also
for the crown, the current seattube join is very weak as there is only
one weld, changing the join similar to the Black Domina or new Qu-Ax
Street frame would be beneficial.

Hub- Just have the flanges stiffer, because designing them to be flexy
and bendy isn't great as it pulls the spokes as it bends and also,
isn't very confidence inspiring either. As for appearance- please make
the hub black instead of blue.

Seatpost- To make it a simple improvement, just introduce Kris Holm
branded steel posts, and possibly make them reinforced steel posts too.
Or just borrow Qu-Ax's new idea. Koxx-One's flutted tubing idea works
nicely for their pit fighter as flutted tubes does seeem to be good for
BMX components too.

Rim- please oh please, lose those holes. Or make them a bit smaller as
they are too big just like standard drilled Pulo rims (Try-All for
example). I know of plenty trials riders (mostly bike) that have
snapped the joints between the spoke holes and the big holes on the
rimtape side... The KH frame is light enough so having tiny tiny bit
heavier rim is not going to be terrible.

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I found out the name of the tire, its the WTB Stout. Kris already has
one, but its a prototype tire.

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Is a good answer to the post breaking problem. Kris seems to be doing a
good balance with the post as it is now. To make it stronger it would
be heavier. Since most riders haven't been breaking them, and everyone
likes light, why should he make them all heavier ? This should be am
easy business to start as an after market thing. How hard could it be
to make a seat post?
It would seem simple for Kris to whip up an optional thicker seat
post, but there is no easy end to that road. With a stronger post, more
people will break frames, seats etc. He's probably much happier with
people saying the seat posts break, then that the frame is heavy, or
breaks etc. The post is a nice cheap to replace link in the chain.

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feel the light said:

Is a good answer to the post breaking problem. Kris seems to be doing a
good balance with the post as it is now. To make it stronger it would
be heavier. Since most riders haven't been breaking them, and everyone
likes light, why should he make them all heavier ? This should be am
easy business to start as an after market thing. How hard could it be
to make a seat post?
It would seem simple for Kris to whip up an optional thicker seat
post, but there is no easy end to that road. With a stronger post, more
people will break frames, seats etc. He's probably much happier with
people saying the seat posts break, then that the frame is heavy, or
breaks etc. The post is a nice cheap to replace link in the chain.

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feel the light said:

Since most riders haven't been breaking them, and everyone likes light,
why should he make them all heavier ?

Actually LOTS of people are breaking the post on the 20, and from this
site, I would say NOT very few are breaking the bike type post.

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i think thats simply beacause people on KH20's do lots of jumping which
fatigues the seatpost, while people with KH24/29 mostly ride which
fatigues the aluminium alot less. Even very techincal muni has very
little jumps compared to a trials line.

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I have not read anything up to this point. Except Kelly's post.

Carbon Fiber the seat and it takes care of the seat, then use a steel
seat post with triagnle stenghters (i've seen them before, they attach
to the post, or to the flat part with the bolts screw through). It
would be a bit heavier, fine with street riders, and cost about 100some
dollars more.

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there are several ways for improvement:
-stronger seat post
-better welded frame
-more street-friendly cranks
-the hub can definitely lose some weight, it really doesnt need to be
THAT strong
-the rim can get stronger, yes, no holes or smaller holes would be
nice
-spoke nipples that dont break as easy (Brass?)
-I guess 14 gauge spokes would be more convenient since no bike store
has 13 gauge
-idk if better bearings would help w/ flips, but i think they would
-frame structure can be better for stand up ww, but thats not exactly
neccessary.
-longer neck on frame (just like 1 inch)
yea all these would definitely be gr8.

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Sponge said:

I talked to Kris about 2008 improvements over email. I suggested some of
this

Saddle- for the fusion street, change the foam to make it more
Luxury-like. The Luxury saddle is by far and away the nicest saddle for
seat-out hopping and is also comfortable to sit on too. You'd only
really know if you've tried both.

Have you ever tried the foam from the 06 experimental foam? It was a
dual density foam that was maybe twice as thick as the street seat. It
was thin enough that it was still great for holding in your hand but
big enough that it was super comfy and could probably be cut down even
more for a better street seat.

I think he should have stuck with that foam for the street seat. This
whole idea of a little tiny patch of gel just doesn't work for me.
People's pressure points are almost never going to be in the same exact
area, so why put such a small patch there. I think he should have stuck
with the dual layer foam instead of going with something that was
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"-idk if better bearings would help w/ flips, but i think they would"
^

This comment makes me think your bearing holders are to tight. UDC
Roger posted last week that many people mistakenly think that KH
holders are meant to fit tight. They aren't !

When I flipped my KH over and gave it a spin, I counted 4 smooth revs.
But when I loosened the holders up, the same shove gave me 12 revs !

So adjust the bearing tension on a KH the same as other unis.🙂 All
the 22x42 bearings on all the makes of ISIS axles come from the same
source, because they are a custom size only found on uni's. I think
Qu-ax ordered up a huge batch, and sells them to the other makes, cause
the KH bearings say Qu-ax on them, I bet they all do.

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feel the light said:

"-idk if better bearings would help w/ flips, but i think they would"
^

This comment makes me think your bearing holders are to tight. UDC
Roger posted last week that many people mistakenly think that KH
holders are meant to fit tight. They aren't !

When I flipped my KH over and gave it a spin, I counted 4 smooth revs.
But when I loosened the holders up, the same shove gave me 12 revs !

So adjust the bearing tension on a KH the same as other unis.🙂 All
the 22x42 bearings on all the makes of ISIS axles come from the same
source, because they are a custom size only found on uni's. I think
Qu-ax ordered up a huge batch, and sells them to the other makes, cause
the KH bearings say Qu-ax on them, I bet they all do.

Thx but i alrdy keep them loose. I didnt say they wer especialy bad,
but if wer talkin a high class uni, ther might as well b RLY good
bearings instead o3 decent ones. I apreciate ur atempt 2 help tho.

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Because when they went to 22 mm as the standard axle for ISIS, the
makers went to a unique size of bearing, rather then redo all their
frames. The next size of standard bearing is 22x44. You can get better
bearings in standard sizes. I don't think it's worth my money, but
perhaps an 80$ ceramic bearing might spin with less friction. I'm not
sure about that. Perhaps those are made for a super high rpm, or super
precision tool or something. Anyway, I think all 22x44 bearings on
earth come from the same batch, there is nothing better.

If you really want to mess around with it, I bet taking the grease
out of the bearing and oiling it lightly would free it up some. I don't
think it's worth the trouble. Putting on super light pedals would have
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peleschramm said:

yea i tried greasing up. i also now use plastic pedals. but i just now
switched to a koxx reinforced rim so that is REALLY heavy so its hard 2
do stuff.

Yeah, its realy a brick eh?
Dude, I have the Try all street rim to and it's stronger but yeah a bit
heavier.
But it's not that you have concrete in your rim...

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I wonder if more people will start putting some themes into their uni
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How can you know that it is stronger? I saw two Koxx not holed rims
break down easy (Mat 1,7m drop at koxx days and a german guy with a 2m
drop). Both times the rim break completly. My KH is bend a lot also,
but I think both rims Koxx or KH are the same good or worse. The Alex
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Lutz, you've pretty much got it bang on the head. The Tryall and Koxx
drilled rims are pretty much the same, just the same stuff spewed out
of the Jetset factory.

DX32s are super strong yes, I have one, but I sure do hate it... so
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it is so noticable, and balance is a bit harder. Doesn't help that I
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Lutz said:

How can you know that it is stronger? I saw two Koxx not holed rims
break down easy (Mat 1,7m drop at koxx days and a german guy with a 2m
drop). Both times the rim break completly. My KH is bend a lot also,
but I think both rims Koxx or KH are the same good or worse. The Alex
DX rim is the best I tried but it sucks that the rim is so small.

Saw both of the films.
And I have to say mine rim is prety flatspotted and bend to 🙄

But I think this rim will be a "tad" stronger then the KH.
I reacted mainly on the fact that the Try all street rim is realy
heavy, because the weight seams prety OK to me.

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Jerrick said:

I wonder if more people will start putting some themes into their uni
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