Ken & Bendy Buses

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Hopefully you can obtain some more details and then ask Mr
Livingstone about it. He can then no longer claim, "I know of no
incidents including cyclists." However, given that he has now taken
up with the Labour Party again anything he says is likely to be a
lie.

He is a politician - anything he says is likely to be a lie.

John

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:22:54 GMT, "elyob" <[email hidden]>

wrote in message : said:

Any comments for Ken?

Yes, thanks for the excellent example of the "complex question"
logical fallacy.

Guy
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Helen Deborah Vecht said:

...cos many lazy passengers CBA to go up.

I stay downstairs for safety. I don't wish to be attacked, and I don't
wish to passively smoke drugs.

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But I'm damned if I can find the URL.

I'd like to see that URL. It seemed a crazy thing to do by Ken.

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Hopefully you can obtain some more details and then ask Mr
Livingstone about it. He can then no longer claim, "I know of no
incidents including cyclists." However, given that he has now taken
up with the Labour Party again anything he says is likely to be a
lie.

He is a politician - anything he says is likely to be a lie.

It's this sort of cynicism that lets them get away with it. If we - as
electors - don't hold our politicians up to a high standard of probity,
then we deserve *exactly* what we get. I agree that both the UK 'main'
parties are currently seriously lacking in ethical leadership, but that
doesn't mean there's nothing we can do about it. On the contrary, it
means we have a duty to do something about it.

If you can't trust any of the politicians standing in your constituency,
stand yourself.

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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:22:15 +0000 someone who may be Phil Cook
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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In the former case it is a long way to walk to the back,

Stop showing your ignorance.

Excellent, personal abuse.

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The London bendy bus has three doors and

Are they all used?

I can only go by the ones that were running past my front door a few
years ago, now sent elsewhere. These had a door by the driver and
that is where one got on and off. There was also an unused door in
the rear section.

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you don't need to walk to the back to get a seat in any case.

That depends on whether people are sitting in the seats in the
front.

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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:07:42 +0000 someone who may be Tilly
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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You don't show your ticket to anyone unless an inspector boards.

Glad to hear it.

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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:07:42 +0000 someone who may be Tilly
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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You don't show your ticket to anyone unless an inspector boards.

Glad to hear it.

No-one buys a ticket then?

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:33:14 +0000 someone who may be Simon Brooke
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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He is a politician - anything he says is likely to be a lie.

It's this sort of cynicism that lets them get away with it.

I disagree. Being realistic is not the same thing as being
apathetic.

Many people are apathetic about party politicians and "political"
structures like councils and the new palace at Holyrood. However,
such things are only a small subset of politics. I suspect more
people are now involved in politics than ever before, but they are
involved via organisations like Friends of the Earth rather than
political parties. The environmental organisations have certainly
got many more members than the political parties.

If people want to work in the party political system then that is
fine, each to their own. I even know honest people in the Labour
Party, including elected ones.

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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:26:47 GMT someone who may be "elyob"
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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You don't show your ticket to anyone unless an inspector boards.

Glad to hear it.

No-one buys a ticket then?

Such systems work fine if the number of inspections is suitable.

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Richard Bates <[email hidden]>typed

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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:53:02 GMT, Helen Deborah Vecht
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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...cos many lazy passengers CBA to go up.

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I stay downstairs for safety. I don't wish to be attacked, and I don't
wish to passively smoke drugs.

Gee thanks! Fit man stays downstairs while weak woman with MS goes up...

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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:07:42 +0000 someone who may be Tilly
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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You don't show your ticket to anyone unless an inspector boards.

Glad to hear it.

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No-one buys a ticket then?

Well, some don't...

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Phil Cook said:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:50:47 -0000, Dave Larrington wrote:

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Ken is this: Wrong. Wrong and mad. They accelerate like dead crabs

Like lightning more like. The brakes can be a bit firece too. Many's
the time I've had to hang on for grim death as a standing passenger in
one.

Eh? Most buses accelerate at a very similar speed to me. Bendy ones are
WAY slower off the mark.

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David Hansen said:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:22:15 +0000 someone who may be Phil Cook
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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In the former case it is a long way to walk to the back,

Stop showing your ignorance.

Excellent, personal abuse.

Well, you were obviously ignorant of the London Bendy.

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The London bendy bus has three doors and

Are they all used?

Oh yes all in use, no need to show a ticket to the driver as you board
unless you have one of the carnet things or an Oyster electronic pre
pay card and in the latter case the newer bendies have Oyster readers
at all doors.

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I can only go by the ones that were running past my front door a few
years ago, now sent elsewhere. These had a door by the driver and
that is where one got on and off. There was also an unused door in
the rear section.

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you don't need to walk to the back to get a seat in any case.

That depends on whether people are sitting in the seats in the
front.

As I said, you get on a London Bendy at any door, my favourite is the
door at the back of the front half (just before the bendy bit) as
there is a choice of all kinds of seat there; front, side or rear
facing. I find it best to ride in the front half of tth bus as there
is no engine in that bit so the ride rivals that of a tram, or at
least it would if there weren't dirty great big potholes all over
London's roads, which makes commuting by cycle akin to cyclo-cross :-(
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Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

David Hansen said:

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:26:47 GMT someone who may be "elyob"
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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>You don't show your ticket to anyone unless an inspector boards.

Glad to hear it.

No-one buys a ticket then?

Such systems work fine if the number of inspections is suitable.

Also the vast majority of passengers have bus passes or travelcards so
they don't need to buy a ticket for the particular journey they are
making.
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Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Dave Larrington said:

Phil Cook said:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:50:47 -0000, Dave Larrington wrote:

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Ken is this: Wrong. Wrong and mad. They accelerate like dead crabs

Like lightning more like. The brakes can be a bit firece too. Many's
the time I've had to hang on for grim death as a standing passenger in
one.

Eh? Most buses accelerate at a very similar speed to me. Bendy ones are
WAY slower off the mark.

I can beat anything away from the lights. I find bendys and modern
double deckers to be simmilar in performance. Routemasters on the
other hand have acceleration that you need a calendar to time. :-)
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Phil Cook said:

Dave Larrington said:

Phil Cook said:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:50:47 -0000, Dave Larrington wrote:

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> Ken is this: Wrong. Wrong and mad. They accelerate like dead
> crabs

Like lightning more like. The brakes can be a bit firece too. Many's
the time I've had to hang on for grim death as a standing passenger
in one.

Eh? Most buses accelerate at a very similar speed to me. Bendy
ones are WAY slower off the mark.

I can beat anything away from the lights. I find bendys and modern
double deckers to be simmilar in performance.

I could perhaps have phrased that better. I beat anything away from the
lights, but d/d buses can catch up a lot quicker than those abendynations...

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Helen Deborah Vecht said:

Richard Bates <[email hidden]>typed

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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:53:02 GMT, Helen Deborah Vecht
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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...cos many lazy passengers CBA to go up.

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I stay downstairs for safety. I don't wish to be attacked, and I don't
wish to passively smoke drugs.

Gee thanks! Fit man stays downstairs while weak woman with MS goes up...

Bit harsh I think.

I relinquish my safety for nobody. I am of course willing to give up
my downstairs seat and stand instead. I've even been known to
disembark (in safe areas) to allow wheelchair users get on.

But I value my safety.

Dave Larrington said:

elyob said:

In the new Time Out :

1. Bendy buses block up the streets, they're slow and they are a
hazard to cyclists. They just don't work! (Christina Simmons, Stoke
Newington).
KEN SAYS - Bendy buses are faster and more reliable than double
deckers. They spend less time at bus stops because passenegers buy
their tickets before boarding. They are also more accessible for
people with yound children, older and disabled people. The vehicles
are highly manoeuvrable and are only used on roads which can easily
accomodate them. I know of no incidents including cyclists.

Any comments for Ken?

Ken is this: Wrong. Wrong and mad. They accelerate like dead crabs, catch
fire[1] and three of them nose to tail at a bus stop bring half the parish
to a standstill. I've seen at least one having to do a three-point turn to
get around one junction, though admittedly this could have been down to the
incompetence of the driver. And I've personally been on the receiving end
of Bendylengthmyopia, and been obliged to brake to avoid kerb/Larrington/bus
sandwich, at least three times.

So why is it then that they all work fine in other cities in other
countries (admittedly with PROPER SEGREGATED cycle lanes).

Are we all just whingers??? :-|

Jack Ouzzi said:

So why is it then that they all work fine in other cities in other
countries (admittedly with PROPER SEGREGATED cycle lanes).

Are we all just whingers??? :-|

Perhaps in other parts of the world they're not driven by (barely) trained
monkeys?

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World Domination?
Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)