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Is tom/doe a "nut" ?

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  1. On the one hand, he is clearly fixated on one notion (it
    can't be called a hypothesis, let along a theory, in
    scientific parlance), which includes theological assertions.
    How could one demonstrate, in a scientific way, that the
    historical Jesus was a "vegetarian" (whatever is meant by
    this term, exactly)? And what would that matter,
    scientifically? These claims make one's argument weaker, not
    stronger. Essentially, in our culture, "religion" is
    associated with theological doctrines. Science,
    theoretically, should be an interpretation of existing
    evidence by a consesus of experts, though anyone should be
    able to make claims based on the evidence, and then the
    experts should address those claims, unless the claim is
    absurd, and unfortunately, thats' where tom/doe goes wrong.
    He wants religion/theology to be "science." The square peg
    just doesn't go in the round hole. And since this newsgroup
    is called sci.med.nutrition, he should be posting on
    sci.theology.nutrition, which I don't think exists.

    Now on the other hand, there's nothing wrong with him
    posting abstracts of studies, but I can understand how some
    will be irritated that he does not make claims based on
    these studies. However, I have done that on this
    newsgroups, and received more than a few idiotic follow-up
    posts, such as when someone (who apparently has real
    scientific credentials) said that if one allows Mead acid
    to replace arachidonic acid in the so-called phospholipid
    layer of cells, a cut will take months to heal. It takes
    about 2 years to get the arachidonic acid out and the Mead
    in, and after doing so, I've found that cuts heal much
    better, with little pain or inflammation. Arachidonic acid
    is the biggest health problem when you have more than a
    trace of it in your body, and this claim is consistent with
    all the evidence. It explains why peoples who eat plenty of
    saturated fatty acids in the form or coconut or palm kernel
    products, but little in the way of omega 6 polyunsaturates
    don't have the heart disease that westerners do, even
    though they have cholesterol in the 200-250 range. Lard,
    which is considered a "saturated fat," is only 39 percent
    saturated, but it has more than a little omega 6 PUFAs, and
    it's pork has arachidonic acid in it, as does beef, turkey,
    chicken, etc. Eating low-fat dairy is a horrible idea,
    because of what pasteurization/homogenization does to the
    proteins in it (see Annand's studies from the 1970s). I've
    eaten huge amounts of unrefined coconut oil, raw goat
    cheese (high in saturated fatty acids), dark chocolate (70%
    or more cocoa mass), organic butter, at least one organic
    egg a day, and boiled shrimp (all high in saturated fatty
    acids and/or cholesterol) for about 3 years now. No
    atherosclerosis, diabetes, inflammatory "diseases," cancer,
    or autoimmune problems. Everybody else in my family (around
    my age, 40, or older) is obese (I'm rail thin) and/or has
    had major health problems, including a brother who needed
    his gallbladder removed in his early 30s. The arachidonic
    acid fouls your body up in numerous ways, just do a search
    on www.pubmed.com and you'll see what I mean. And why do
    the "experts" keep saying to avoid "saturated fat?" Because
    they are relying on old studies that were, at least in the
    context of all the evidence available today, preliminary.
    If you call lard a "saturated fat," then yes, saturated fat
    is generally pretty unhealthy, but what about the omega 6
    PUFAs in it, some of which will be converted to arachidonic
    acid in your body, and perhaps much of which will oxidize
    and damage cells in your body? These people rushed to find
    an answer, instead of just documenting exactly what they
    did find. How can coconut oil at 92% saturated fatty acids
    be classified as essentially the same thing as lard (at 39%
    saturated fatty acids)? This was just one of several key
    mistakes. If you need a book to get you through some basic
    points, Bruce Fife's "Saturated fat may save your life," is
    a good place to start, but keep in mind to avoid the idea
    that polyunsaturated fatty acids are "essential." Just eat
    the coconut products, which have a little omega 6 PUFAs in
    them, and eat organic, DHA enhanced eggs, and you don't
    have to worry about the "essential fatty acids," except to
    avoid them in everything else, to as much a degree as you
    possibly can.

    So is tom/doe a "nut?" At least he is not trying to make
    money and advance his career, as all the "experts" who said
    not to eat "saturated fat" were (and still are). He just
    seems to want to combine science and religion/theology,
    which makes no sense, unless one redefines science in a
    radical way. In science, you've got to be willing to drop a
    hypothesis or theory if evidence contradicts it. I don't
    think tom/doe would ever be willing to do that, and
    unfortunately, the same can be said of the "experts" who
    don't seem to be reading any recent studies - they were
    taught something in med school and they seem to think that
    it was written in stone by God somewhere, and they are
    hurting people, shortening peoples live, etc. When teaching
    the history of science, I ask students what would religious
    people say if men had one less rib than women. The idea is
    that "fundamentalists" would say that this "proves" that the
    Bible should be interpreted literally (a confirmation of the
    creation of Eve story). Yet the fact that men and women have
    the same number of ribs does not "prove" to these people
    that the Bible should not be interpreted literally. If you
    do not believe intellectual rigor is important, than why do
    science at all? Why not just become a holy man/woman of some
    sort, and go around acting like you know everything, without
    talking about "scientific proof?" If you play chess with the
    rules of checkers, you're not playing chess, are you? But
    that's what tom/doe, and too many "experts" want to do.

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