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  1. Steve Freides said:

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    I'm doing military presses and side laterals but I'd like to add
    2 more exercises to my routine and I'd love to hear some
    suggestions.

    André

    Why two more exercises and not, e.g., a few more sets of what you're
    already doing? Not saying two more exercises is a bad idea, just
    wondering what you're trying to achieve.

    Well, in all honesty I know what to do to for strength training,
    hypertrophy, toning up, etc but I like to go to the Gym and just have
    fun so my workouts are more geared towards having some fun in the
    weight room and not getting too hung up on rules and strictness.
    I know if I go in there and do a textbook workout for strength or
    hypertrophy I'm going to get bored and I'm going to find excuses to
    stay away from the gym so I much rather go in there and do a routine
    that is probably overtraing but is still fun and keeps me motivated.

    I was under the impression that doing 5 sets of 8 reps was already too
    much of a specific exercise (for Hypertrophy or strength) and more Sets
    would definitely be overtraining yet you suggest instead of doing a
    different exercise I should do even more sets?

    For example, I train shoulders on Tuesdays and Thursdays, I know that's
    probably not enough rest between those 2 training sessions but I got
    over 100 hours rest between Thursday's and next Tuesdays and I've got
    used to this so (my schedulle doesn't allow me to do better than this)
    I'm sticking with it.

    My shoulder workout involves military press and side laterals
    (sometimes front raises but they are boring) but you said I should do
    even more sets of MP instead of more exercises, well my military press
    routine is like this.

    I do 5 sets of 8 reps with 180 lbs (resting 60 seconds between Sets)
    and I don't change the weight throughout the sets, right now with 180
    lbs I can't do a 9th rep on the 5th set.
    After these 5 sets I increase the weight to 190 lbs and rest 3 then 4
    then 5 minutes between sets and just crank up as many reps as possible.

    1 Set of 8 Reps with 180 lbs.
    1 minute rest
    1 Set of 8 Reps with 180 lbs.
    1 minute rest
    1 Set of 8 Reps with 180 lbs.
    1 minute rest
    1 Set of 8 Reps with 180 lbs.
    1 minute rest
    1 Set of 8 Reps with 180 lbs.

    3 minutes rest
    1 Set of a many Reps as possible with 190 lbs.
    4 minutes rest
    1 Set of a many Reps as possible with 190 lbs.
    5 minutes rest
    1 Set of a many Reps as possible with 190 lbs.

    (After this I do 5 Sets of 8 Reps of Side Laterals resting 1 minute
    between them)

    I know this is a very unorthodox shoulder routine but like I said, it's
    fun, my strength is up and so is my size despite doing a routine which
    I consider overtraining.

    I'm 5.10 1/2 and about 190 lbs but I always had wide shoulders and I
    look somewhat funny in a suit because of it, I'm not interested in
    getting bigger so I just train for feel and fun and I like military
    pressing and it's great getting to the end of a workout and feeling
    drained and exhausted and this works for me and hasn't caused me any
    injuries, muscle atrophy, strenght loss or anything bad, I'm sure with
    a more texbook workout I could possibly get better results in strenght
    and size but it probably wouldn't be as much fun.

    My chest routine (Mondays and Fridays) is even scarier, I do 15 sets of
    benching (60 seconds rest between them); 5 flat, 5 inclined and 5 close
    griped and follow that up with 5 of heavy pec-deck before doing 5 of
    pullovers all in less than 90 minutes during which I drink over 2
    litres of water.

    P.S. I'll never understand why people do cardio, I train for 90 minutes
    each time I go to the gym and rarely resting more than 60 seconds
    between sets, my heart rate is always up and I sweat a lot more doing
    that than running on a treadmill staring at a TV set. Cardio is boring,
    at least inside a gym it is.

    André

  2. <[email hidden]> schreef:

    Quoted message said:

    Why two more exercises and not, e.g., a few more sets of what you're
    already doing? Not saying two more exercises is a bad idea, just
    wondering what you're trying to achieve.

    Well, in all honesty I know what to do to for strength training,
    hypertrophy, toning up, etc but I like to go to the Gym and just have
    fun so my workouts are more geared towards having some fun in the
    weight room and not getting too hung up on rules and strictness.

    If you want to have fun you must go see a hooker. Stay OUT of the gym.

    I know if I go in there and do a textbook workout for strength or
    hypertrophy I'm going to get bored and I'm going to find excuses to
    stay away from the gym so I much rather go in there and do a routine
    that is probably overtraing but is still fun and keeps me motivated.

    I was under the impression that doing 5 sets of 8 reps was already too
    much of a specific exercise (for Hypertrophy or strength) and more Sets
    would definitely be overtraining yet you suggest instead of doing a
    different exercise I should do even more sets?

    Then do not.
    I mean, he is not twisting youre arm now, is he?

    For example, I train shoulders on Tuesdays and Thursdays, I know that's
    probably not enough rest between those 2 training sessions...

    Take more rest then.

    ----
    Pete

  3. Quoted message said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Steve Freides said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm doing military presses and side laterals but I'd like to add
    2 more exercises to my routine and I'd love to hear some
    suggestions.

    André

    Why two more exercises and not, e.g., a few more sets of


    what you're

    Quoted message said:

    already doing? Not saying two more exercises is a bad idea, just
    wondering what you're trying to achieve.

    Well, in all honesty I know what to do to for strength
    training, hypertrophy, toning up, etc but I like to go to the
    Gym and just have fun so my workouts are more geared towards
    having some fun in the weight room and not getting too hung
    up on rules and strictness.
    I know if I go in there and do a textbook workout for
    strength or hypertrophy I'm going to get bored and I'm going
    to find excuses to stay away from the gym so I much rather go
    in there and do a routine that is probably overtraing but is
    still fun and keeps me motivated.

    I was under the impression that doing 5 sets of 8 reps was
    already too much of a specific exercise (for Hypertrophy or
    strength) and more Sets would definitely be overtraining yet
    you suggest instead of doing a different exercise I should do
    even more sets?

    For example, I train shoulders on Tuesdays and Thursdays, I
    know that's probably not enough rest between those 2 training
    sessions but I got over 100 hours rest between Thursday's and
    next Tuesdays and I've got used to this so (my schedulle
    doesn't allow me to do better than this) I'm sticking with it.

    My shoulder workout involves military press and side laterals
    (sometimes front raises but they are boring) but you said I
    should do even more sets of MP instead of more exercises,
    well my military press routine is like this.

    I do 5 sets of 8 reps with 180 lbs (resting 60 seconds
    between Sets) and I don't change the weight throughout the
    sets, right now with 180 lbs I can't do a 9th rep on the 5th set.
    After these 5 sets I increase the weight to 190 lbs and rest
    3 then 4 then 5 minutes between sets and just crank up as
    many reps as possible.

    1 Set of 8 Reps with 180 lbs.
    1 minute rest
    1 Set of 8 Reps with 180 lbs.
    1 minute rest
    1 Set of 8 Reps with 180 lbs.
    1 minute rest
    1 Set of 8 Reps with 180 lbs.
    1 minute rest
    1 Set of 8 Reps with 180 lbs.

    3 minutes rest
    1 Set of a many Reps as possible with 190 lbs.
    4 minutes rest
    1 Set of a many Reps as possible with 190 lbs.
    5 minutes rest
    1 Set of a many Reps as possible with 190 lbs.

    (After this I do 5 Sets of 8 Reps of Side Laterals resting 1
    minute between them)

    I know this is a very unorthodox shoulder routine but like I
    said, it's fun, my strength is up and so is my size despite
    doing a routine which I consider overtraining.

    I'm 5.10 1/2 and about 190 lbs but I always had wide
    shoulders and I look somewhat funny in a suit because of it,
    I'm not interested in getting bigger so I just train for feel
    and fun and I like military pressing and it's great getting
    to the end of a workout and feeling drained and exhausted and
    this works for me and hasn't caused me any injuries, muscle
    atrophy, strenght loss or anything bad, I'm sure with a more
    texbook workout I could possibly get better results in
    strenght and size but it probably wouldn't be as much fun.

    My chest routine (Mondays and Fridays) is even scarier, I do
    15 sets of benching (60 seconds rest between them); 5 flat, 5
    inclined and 5 close griped and follow that up with 5 of
    heavy pec-deck before doing 5 of pullovers all in less than
    90 minutes during which I drink over 2 litres of water.

    P.S. I'll never understand why people do cardio, I train for
    90 minutes each time I go to the gym and rarely resting more
    than 60 seconds between sets, my heart rate is always up and
    I sweat a lot more doing that than running on a treadmill
    staring at a TV set. Cardio is boring, at least inside a gym it is.

    André

    Wow. That's all I can say, wow.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

  4. Steve Freides said:
    Quoted message said:


    André

    Wow. That's all I can say, wow.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com


    This guy is a well known troll. Nothing he writes about himself is other
    than a sad fantasy life.

    -paul

  5. Paul Cassel said:


    Quoted message said:


    This guy is a well known troll. Nothing he writes about himself is other
    than a sad fantasy life.

    -paul

    Paul? Do you hang around here often?

    André

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