is the landscape important when racing?

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madeleine said:

Why is the tour de france so famous?

1) American media
2) American winners
3) it's easier for anglophones (esp. bettors in Las Vegas)
to figure out how to pronounce, than 'Giro d'Italia' or
'Vuelta d'Espana'

The Kentucky Derby is more famous than the Belmont or
Preakness, too. I guess the name: 'Kentucky Derby' just has
more cachet.

What I wanna know is, why isn't the UCI XC or DH World Cup
so famous?? But I think I know the answer:

4) no[t much] American media
5) apathy about American winners
6) it's not football, baseball, or that girls' game
(basketball)
7) cycling isn't so appreciated in the United States

Anyhow, there's an whole world beyond the limited horizons
of American sports media.

cheers, Tom

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Tom Keats said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"madeleine" <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Why is the tour de france so famous?

Quoted message said:

1) American media
2) American winners
3) it's easier for anglophones (esp. bettors in Las Vegas)
to figure out how to pronounce, than 'Giro d'Italia' or
'Vuelta d'Espana'

Quoted message said:

The Kentucky Derby is more famous than the Belmont or
Preakness, too. I guess the name: 'Kentucky Derby' just
has more cachet.

Quoted message said:

What I wanna know is, why isn't the UCI XC or DH World Cup
so famous?? But I think I know the answer:

Quoted message said:

1) no[t much] American media
2) apathy about American winners
3) it's not football, baseball, or that girls' game
(basketball)
4) cycling isn't so appreciated in the United States

Quoted message said:

Anyhow, there's an whole world beyond the limited horizons
of American sports media.

I have a vague feeling the original post was a troll, but
Tom, your response is remarkably American-centric. The Tour
is the most famous of the three grand Tours in Europe, among
Europeans, regardless of what the US knows.

It's the oldest, biggest, most international (more non-
French Tour winners than non-Italian Giro winners, etc), has
the most tradition, and so on. Unlike the Giro and Vuelta,
the Tour also takes place in the summer when Europeans can
go on vacation to camp out and watch it - I think this has
increased a lot in the past few decades.

World Cup mountain bike racing hasn't been around for very
long and is a UCI structure imposed upon a grass-roots
cycling movement (the popularization of "mountain biking" as
such since the early 80s or so). It's not surprising to me
that the mix of UCI fogies and gnarly mountain bikers (much
less freerider dudes) doesn't always gel.

In article <40b7c719$1@darkstar>,

Benjamin Weiner said:

I have a vague feeling the original post was a troll, but
Tom, your response is remarkably American-centric. The
Tour is the most famous of the three grand Tours in
Europe, among Europeans, regardless of what the US knows.

When I read:

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In article <[email hidden]>,
"madeleine" <[email hidden]> writes:

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Why is the tour de france so famous?

I thought in terms of world-wide fame.

American media is so globally pervasive, it must play a
significant role in giving recognition to the TdF throughout
the world, even in exotic little non-New World and non-Old
World countries (like maybe Papua New Guinea?) that don't
participate in the race.

Without American participation, there wouldn't be as much
media coverage, and therefore there'd be less recognition of
it around the world.

Without American media interest, not many people in the
world are even aware of Papua New Guinea inter-tribal
cricket (which I imagine would get quite boring after the
first several days.)

Of course, to attract American media interest to the TdF,
there has to be American participation. American winners
keep the attention happening.

So I'm not slaggin' on Americans or anything like that. I'm
just saying their involvement makes the race more notable.
Nuthin' wrong with that. That's just how it is.

I /do/ have a pet peeve about people whose sole interest in
sports events derives from speculation/gambling. But
I'm sure many Americans as well as other people
around the world feel the same way.

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World Cup mountain bike racing hasn't been around for very
long and is a UCI structure imposed upon a grass-roots
cycling movement (the popularization of "mountain biking"
as such since the early 80s or so). It's not surprising to
me that the mix of UCI fogies and gnarly mountain bikers
(much less

^^^^^^^^^^ Heh. I like it :-)

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freerider dudes) doesn't always gel.

Anyhow, I still think of basketball as a girls' game. I
guess I'm a fogie too.

cheers, Tom

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Quoted message said:

American media is so globally pervasive, it must play a
significant role in giving recognition to the TdF
throughout the world, even in exotic little non-New World
and non-Old World countries (like maybe Papua New Guinea?)
that don't participate in the race.

The TdF has been getting massive coverage long before the
American media became interested in it due to Lance. Honest
:-) There's an entire world outside of the USA you know ;-)

snippity...

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So I'm not slaggin' on Americans or anything like that. I'm
just saying their involvement makes the race more notable.
Nuthin' wrong with that. That's just how it is.

It makes the race more notable to *Americans* - there's been
*millions* of non-Americans following the TdF for an awful
long time, even if a few on t'other side of the pond haven't
been aware of this ;-)

Cheers, helen s

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