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Is being born alive a medical mistake?

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  1. Is being born alive a medical mistake?

    The subtle, unmentioned ‘take home' message one should
    ponder in reading the follow-up article pasted below is:
    "There is a need to pass laws to keep doctors from killing –
    yes, killing – living human beings."

    In a large way, those who run our medical system(s) reflect
    the moral state of our nation and our world… and, let me
    tell you, it does not look promising.

    The base-line measurement of society's morals can be
    summarized in three words: RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE.

    Many seem to think those three words should be "respect for
    the life of animals" or "respect for our environment" or
    some other secondary consideration. Yes, secondary.

    This ‘issue' goes far beyond the subject of abortion and
    anyone who interjects their convictions – pro or con – with
    regard to abortion in their discussion of this matter has
    not given this proper consideration. Here is the follow-up
    article from "LifeNews.com":

    British Doctors to Confront Issue of Babies Born After
    Botched Abortions by Steven Ertelt LifeNews.com Editor
    June 22, 2004

    London, England (LifeNews.com) -- British doctors will soon
    discuss the issue of babies who are born alive following
    botched abortions. The debate comes less than a year after
    President Bush signed into law legislation that ensures such
    infants receive proper medical care when similar situations
    occur in the U.S. British doctors will discuss the issue at
    the British Medical Association's annual conference in
    Llandudno.

    Some doctors will present information about babies who
    survived chemical abortions that should have killed them.
    The doctors say some infants are left to die and not given
    proper medical attention.

    Dr. Bryony Dunning-Davis, one of those presenting
    information at the BMA conference next week, told the
    BBC that "it seems there have been cases where it has
    happened, even though it's against existing guidelines."

    Regardless of how they are born, the BMA has said babies
    should receive proper medical care once born.

    However, Dunning-Davis said she was familiar with at least a
    half dozen cases in recent years where babies had survived
    abortions. She says the BMA guidelines are not working.

    In 1996, a child thought to have a severe abnormality was
    born healthy, but was not resuscitated when breathing
    stopped, the BBC reported. The coroner ruled the baby had
    died after an abortion, rather than after medical neglect.

    "These babies should go to neonatal intensive care units,
    and doctors there should not be allowed to know if a baby
    was born after an abortion, so there is no chance of
    prejudice," Dunning-Davis told the BBC.

    A midwife told Sky News that she saw one baby, who had
    Down's Syndrome, left to die.

    "There was an unwritten policy on the unit that babies would
    not be given assistance," she said.

    In a statement, the Society for the Protection of Unborn
    Children, a British pro-life group, said, "Surviving an
    abortion should not be seen as a mistake but as an
    opportunity. It should bring home in the first place
    that we should not be carrying out abortions in a
    civilized society."

    Go to Amazon.com to order: "Fatal Probe"... a book that
    gives details of a six year study that indicates 132,000
    U.S. women are dying every year from infectious diseases
    they contract during visits to the offices of their
    health providers. This is 4% of the estimated 3.3 million
    women who contract nosocomial infectious diseases every
    year in the U.S.

  2. Quoted message said:

    Some doctors will present information about babies who
    survived chemical abortions that should have killed them.
    The doctors say some infants are left to die and not given
    proper medical attention.

    Bah! You dont have any peer reviewed literature

    [censored]!

  3. "yelxol" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Is being born alive a medical mistake?

    The subtle, unmentioned 'take home' message one should
    ponder in reading the follow-up article pasted below is:
    "There is a need to pass laws to keep doctors from killing
    - yes, killing - living human beings."

    In a large way, those who run our medical system(s)
    reflect the moral state of our nation and our world. and,
    let me tell you, it does not look promising.

    The base-line measurement of society's morals can be
    summarized in three words: RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE.

    Many seem to think those three words should be "respect
    for the life of animals" or "respect for our environment"
    or some other secondary consideration. Yes, secondary.

    This 'issue' goes far beyond the subject of abortion and
    anyone who interjects their convictions - pro or con -
    with regard to abortion in their discussion of this matter
    has not given this proper consideration. Here is the follow-
    up article from "LifeNews.com":

    British Doctors to Confront Issue of Babies Born After
    Botched Abortions by Steven Ertelt LifeNews.com Editor
    June 22, 2004

    London, England (LifeNews.com) -- British doctors will
    soon discuss the issue of babies who are born alive
    following botched abortions. The debate comes less than a
    year after President Bush signed into law legislation that
    ensures such infants receive proper medical care when
    similar situations occur in the U.S. British doctors will
    discuss the issue at the British Medical Association's
    annual conference in Llandudno.

    Some doctors will present information about babies who
    survived chemical abortions that should have killed them.
    The doctors say some infants are left to die and not given
    proper medical attention.

    Dr. Bryony Dunning-Davis, one of those presenting
    information at the BMA conference next week, told the
    BBC that "it seems there have been cases where it has
    happened, even though it's against existing
    guidelines."

    Regardless of how they are born, the BMA has said babies
    should receive proper medical care once born.

    However, Dunning-Davis said she was familiar with at least
    a half dozen cases in recent years where babies had
    survived abortions. She says the BMA guidelines are not
    working.

    In 1996, a child thought to have a severe abnormality was
    born healthy, but was not resuscitated when breathing
    stopped, the BBC reported. The coroner ruled the baby had
    died after an abortion, rather than after medical neglect.

    "These babies should go to neonatal intensive care units,
    and doctors there should not be allowed to know if a baby
    was born after an abortion, so there is no chance of
    prejudice," Dunning-Davis told the BBC.

    A midwife told Sky News that she saw one baby, who had
    Down's Syndrome, left to die.

    "There was an unwritten policy on the unit that babies
    would not be given assistance," she said.

    In a statement, the Society for the Protection of Unborn
    Children, a British pro-life group, said, "Surviving an
    abortion should not be seen as a mistake but as an
    opportunity. It should bring home in the first place that
    we should not be carrying out abortions in a civilized
    society."

    Go to Amazon.com to order: "Fatal Probe"... a book that
    gives details of a six year study that indicates 132,000
    U.S. women are dying every year from infectious diseases
    they contract during visits to the offices of their health
    providers. This is 4% of the estimated 3.3 million women
    who contract nosocomial infectious diseases every year in
    the U.S.

    More alarmist [censored] from the fringe.

    HMc

  4. [email hidden] (KyroDoc) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Some doctors will present information about babies who
    survived chemical abortions that should have killed them.
    The doctors say some infants are left to die and not
    given proper medical attention.

    Bah! You dont have any peer reviewed literature

    [censored]!

    It is exactly this attitude sir/madam that has caused much
    of the American public to think less of the medical
    profession.

    However, I know for a fact that the majority of
    physicians, nurses and others in the medical field do not
    have this attitude.

    Nonetheless, it seems those of you who DO exhibit such
    unpleasant qualities are the ones who stand out... as in
    "yell the loudest". That always seems to be the case,
    doesn't it?

    Kryo: I did not intend to publish this in JAMA. It is simply
    a news article. I haven't read that "Peer Review" is now
    necessary for news articles... or to present them to the
    general public.

    Will

    BTW: Those who become frustrated with my typos and other
    errors, please know that I try very hard not to let them
    slip through; however, my vision is not so good these days.

  5. "Howard McCollister" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "yelxol" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Is being born alive a medical mistake?

    The subtle, unmentioned 'take home' message one should
    ponder in reading the follow-up article pasted below is:
    "There is a need to pass laws to keep doctors from
    killing - yes, killing - living human beings."

    In a large way, those who run our medical system(s)
    reflect the moral state of our nation and our world.
    and, let me tell you, it does not look promising.

    The base-line measurement of society's morals can be
    summarized in three words: RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE.

    Many seem to think those three words should be "respect
    for the life of animals" or "respect for our
    environment" or some other secondary consideration. Yes,
    secondary.

    This 'issue' goes far beyond the subject of abortion and
    anyone who interjects their convictions - pro or con -
    with regard to abortion in their discussion of this
    matter has not given this proper consideration. Here is
    the follow-up article from "LifeNews.com":

    British Doctors to Confront Issue of Babies Born After
    Botched Abortions by Steven Ertelt LifeNews.com Editor
    June 22, 2004

    London, England (LifeNews.com) -- British doctors will
    soon discuss the issue of babies who are born alive
    following botched abortions. The debate comes less than
    a year after President Bush signed into law legislation
    that ensures such infants receive proper medical care
    when similar situations occur in the U.S. British
    doctors will discuss the issue at the British Medical
    Association's annual conference in Llandudno.

    Some doctors will present information about babies who
    survived chemical abortions that should have killed
    them. The doctors say some infants are left to die and
    not given proper medical attention.

    Dr. Bryony Dunning-Davis, one of those presenting
    information at the BMA conference next week, told
    the BBC that "it seems there have been cases where
    it has happened, even though it's against existing
    guidelines."

    Regardless of how they are born, the BMA has said babies
    should receive proper medical care once born.

    However, Dunning-Davis said she was familiar with at
    least a half dozen cases in recent years where babies
    had survived abortions. She says the BMA guidelines are
    not working.

    In 1996, a child thought to have a severe abnormality
    was born healthy, but was not resuscitated when
    breathing stopped, the BBC reported. The coroner ruled
    the baby had died after an abortion, rather than after
    medical neglect.

    "These babies should go to neonatal intensive care
    units, and doctors there should not be allowed to know
    if a baby was born after an abortion, so there is no
    chance of prejudice," Dunning-Davis told the BBC.

    A midwife told Sky News that she saw one baby, who had
    Down's Syndrome, left to die.

    "There was an unwritten policy on the unit that babies
    would not be given assistance," she said.

    In a statement, the Society for the Protection of Unborn
    Children, a British pro-life group, said, "Surviving an
    abortion should not be seen as a mistake but as an
    opportunity. It should bring home in the first place
    that we should not be carrying out abortions in a
    civilized society."

    Go to Amazon.com to order: "Fatal Probe"... a book that
    gives details of a six year study that indicates 132,000
    U.S. women are dying every year from infectious diseases
    they contract during visits to the offices of their
    health providers. This is 4% of the estimated 3.3
    million women who contract nosocomial infectious
    diseases every year in the U.S.

    More alarmist [censored] from the fringe.

    HMc

    Exactly what part of this post do you find offensive, HMc?
    WL

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