Iraq

Mate we have Namdos here in South London, its a LOT of steps up from Maccas/KFC and that foul ilk! I used to eat all that rubbish until about 3 years ago, not that often mind. However I became convinced that its not cheap, its not nice, its not good for you. My father was right all those years ago when Maccas came to Aussie..however I can't write what he said about the first burger he ever had or I would get banned!

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Jeezz...in one page we go from global nuclear war to Australian chicken sammitches...Holy Toledo...

NO A LA GUERRA

i dont like wars....prefered Clinton to Bush...he's caused nothing but misery! Maybe the attacks on the WTC were cos he was elected? Its all his fault blame him....He's commin to UK next week. we dont want him.........u can keep the runt!

Can anybody tell me the difference between a suicide car bomb and 30 tonnes of bombs dumped on a city by a B-52 ?
How can anybody prepared to die in an attack be called a coward ?
In the old days kings and generals fought and died on the battlefield now they stay continents away and kill by computergame , progress .
And all you people want to talk about is food ?????????????
reality check please

The two main motivations for humans is food and sex and not necessarily in that order.What do you expect from a primitive race such as humans.

The two main motivations for humans is food and sex and not necessarily in that order.What do you expect from a primitive race such as humans.

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Originally posted by Vo2
Don't you have Nando's flame grilled chicken stores Down Under?

your moving picture is annoying!

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by rossoreduk
i dont like wars....prefered Clinton to Bush...he's caused nothing but misery! Maybe the attacks on the WTC were cos he was elected? Its all his fault blame him....He's commin to UK next week. we dont want him.........u can keep the runt!

October 12, 2000 - USS Cole attacked
August 7, 1998 - US Embassies in Tanzania & Kenya attacked
I think it's fair to say that it wouldn't have mattered to Bin Laden who was president.
I don't like wars either, but we have been attacked repeatedly and have finally realized that it will continue unless we stay on the offensive and take the war to those who started it.
-Bioguy

Look I hate the idea of war just as much as the next guy. The only real difference between me and you is this: while your at home this next Christmas singing koombiya or whatever it is you do, I'm going to be getting shot at and help protect the innocent Iraqi people whom this war devastated. I am a member of 2nd Radio Battalion; II Mef; US Marine Corps, french speaking. I had no idea that I would be over there, this effects my whole life, so whenever your out riding thinking that you don;t know anyone over there, you do, me and about 300 others from my Battalion as well. Even cyclists get the call to serve. OOORAH

G'day,

Getting back to Iraq........was watching CNN one evening just after Saddam had been chucked out......some reporter was babbling on, live from a tank speeding thru the desert, or some such guff....anyway, bombs were going off all around them....smoke everywhere, etc (you get the picture).The camera man panned off the reporter to a sort of wide angle view. There tooling down the road...was half a dozen Iraqi's in lycra on their roadbikes out training for the Olympics!!!......Funniest thing I'd seen in ages........but it stopped me whinging about OUR traffic when I'm out training!,

PS. Yeah, OZ has Nando's...Do you want them back?.....food's [censored] but they have very funny radio ads,

cheers,

Hitchy

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Hitchy
G'day,

Getting back to Iraq........was watching CNN one evening just after Saddam had been chucked out......some reporter was babbling on, live from a tank speeding thru the desert, or some such guff....anyway, bombs were going off all around them....smoke everywhere, etc (you get the picture).The camera man panned off the reporter to a sort of wide angle view. There tooling down the road...was half a dozen Iraqi's in lycra on their roadbikes out training for the Olympics!!!......Funniest thing I'd seen in ages........but it stopped me whinging about OUR traffic when I'm out training!,

PS. Yeah, OZ has Nando's...Do you want them back?.....food's [censored] but they have very funny radio ads,

cheers,

Hitchy

Yes be nice to ask the people there what they think : don´t seem their lives are any better having changed one oppresser for another .

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Originally posted by el Inglés
Yes be nice to ask the people there what they think : don´t seem their lives are any better having changed one oppresser for another .

When were you there to ask them and how did the poll turn out.
We all want to see the results.😕

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Originally posted by Stiff Upper Lip
The US won't torture or kill soccer players when they lose a game.

The US will not be performing genocide on Kurds.

re the Kurds , yes they will if that¨s what¨s needed to get them control of the oil fields and their puppet government in power - you know the people who told them all about the wmd´s that aren´t there .
Plus if Bremmer isn´t not keeping score of civilians killed by US troops ( or knows but won´t tell the media ) who knows what´s really going on , remember you people came up with operation pheonix in Vietnam ( isn´t Bremmer ex cia ? )

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Originally posted by Stiff Upper Lip
Does the U.S. have a foreign policy?

No. However, the United States does believe that all nations of the world will benefit from American democracy, whether or not they know it. That may be a tough pill to swallow for a has-been nation like France, but we feel very strongly that once people see it our way -- generally by force -- the world will be a better place. Democracy is our most important export; we believe that it is our duty to spread it around the world, like Starbucks. There are those who hate our freedoms, and there are those who hate our Frappuccinos. But these people have likely tasted neither. (By the way, are you enjoying Starbucks? You only thought you'd had good coffee, right?)

Also, we've watched -- and in some cases, continue to watch -- as Great Britain, France, The Netherlands, Spain, Japan, Portugal, Denmark, Germany, Russia, Sweden, China, Belgium, and others have annexed, occupied, colonized, or enslaved nation after nation (and, in one recent and very impressive case, an entire subcontinent). We won't say that sort of thing isn't tempting; it's very tempting. But look where the above countries are now: armchair-quarterbacking the decisions of nations that have not fallen off the edge of history. The U.S. has, therefore, pursued different tactics in dealing with conquered nations. The results have been mixed. The American occupations of Germany and Japan, for example, ended up working out very well -- one might say too well -- for Germany and Japan. What we've done more recently is to liberate the nation in question and then get out of the way within one to two minutes so that democracy can take root.


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Yes but only the US claims to be doing it in the name of Democracy while empire building : also your doing it in the 21st century , we did it in the 19th - when you were at home exterminating the Indians ( or is that native americans these days ? ) or faking an excuse to go to war with Spain ? so slight difference . Mind you that fake thing´s getting to be a habit first the Maine incident , then the Tonkien incident now WMD´s .
Was it to support democracy that you helped put Pinochet in power , and supported every tinpot right wing dictator in the world for the last 50 years ?

Mind you your choice of the kurds ( and my reply ) would have been better if we´d talked of the Shiites in the south who really did suffer after gulf war 1 when they rose up against Saddam in reply to US calls and were then left to hang by Bush senior .
The Kurds have been attacked by ( and have attacked ) all their neighbours in the area at one time of another as they continue to fight against Turkey , Syria , Iran and Russia trying to establish an independant Kurdistan ( the PKK being famous for brutalities commited against Turkish civilians ) so they ain´t that innocent in the grand scheme of things .

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Stiff Upper Lip
Does the U.S. have a foreign policy?

No. However, the United States does believe that all nations of the world will benefit from American democracy, whether or not they know it. That may be a tough pill to swallow for a has-been nation like France, but we feel very strongly that once people see it our way -- generally by force -- the world will be a better place. Democracy is our most important export; we believe that it is our duty to spread it around the world, like Starbucks. There are those who hate our freedoms, and there are those who hate our Frappuccinos. But these people have likely tasted neither. (By the way, are you enjoying Starbucks? You only thought you'd had good coffee, right?)

Also, we've watched -- and in some cases, continue to watch -- as Great Britain, France, The Netherlands, Spain, Japan, Portugal, Denmark, Germany, Russia, Sweden, China, Belgium, and others have annexed, occupied, colonized, or enslaved nation after nation (and, in one recent and very impressive case, an entire subcontinent). We won't say that sort of thing isn't tempting; it's very tempting. But look where the above countries are now: armchair-quarterbacking the decisions of nations that have not fallen off the edge of history. The U.S. has, therefore, pursued different tactics in dealing with conquered nations. The results have been mixed. The American occupations of Germany and Japan, for example, ended up working out very well -- one might say too well -- for Germany and Japan. What we've done more recently is to liberate the nation in question and then get out of the way within one to two minutes so that democracy can take root.


Indeed.

With all due respect to you, I think that you haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about here.

In invoking the principle of democracy, it is worth remembering that current members of the US government provided political and military support to Saddam Hussein during the 1980’s under the Reagan administration.
Your defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld actually met Saddam Hussein in Baghdad
- in order to supply him with weapons.
This is the same Donald Rumsfeld who told us in March 2003, that Saddam was in
possession of WMD and that he (Saddam) had the capability to launch a nuclear
attack on Europe and the USA.

Was Rumsfeld referring to the same weapons that he sold to Iraq in 1983 ?
In 1983, it was expedient for the USA to support Saddam, as it was expedient for the USA to remove Saddam in 2003.

Of course for Western Europe, Canada, Australia and the USA, democracy, as a political system has worked.
The British empire allowed voting to take place in it’s colonial territories in the
19th and early 20th centuries.
(It was the British/French who spead the concept of parliamentary democracy initially – not the USA).

However, it is simplistic to assume that because democracies appears to work in these regions that this political concept can be imposed in other countries.

If I thought that, for one minute. USA foreign policy in Iraq had to do with democracy, I would perhaps support it.
But it doesn’t have anything to do with democracy.
This war was premised upon lies.
Your secretary of state Powell lied to the UN about WMD, your president tried to link Al Quaeda with Saddam and the USA and British government lied to the world about WMD.

And in espousing democracy, you should also remember that freedom of information
is one of the central tenets of democracy.
Has your government informed it’s citizens of the body count of US soldiers in Iraq ?
Why has the US administration told US television companies not to transmit pictures
of coffins containing American soldiers returning from Iraq ?
Why does the Pentagon publish a figure of 3,500 dead and injured soldiers, when
8,500 cases have been reported at Walter Reed Memorial hospital for war veterans ?

Of course, your country is a great nation and we in Western Europe in particular owe you a lot.
But let’s be clear in this instance, concerning Iraq, I believe that the US government was disingenuous at the very least, in going to war.










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Mind you your choice of the kurds ( and my reply ) would have been better if we´d talked of the Shiites in the south who really did suffer after gulf war 1 when they rose up against Saddam in reply to US calls and were then left to hang by Bush senior .
The Kurds have been attacked by ( and have attacked ) all their neighbours in the area at one time of another as they continue to fight against Turkey , Syria , Iran and Russia trying to establish an independant Kurdistan ( the PKK being famous for brutalities commited against Turkish civilians ) so they ain´t that innocent in the grand scheme of things . [/B][/QUOTE]

The word 'innocent' doesn't apply in my vocabulary in any respect to any person who picks up a weapon and uses it. (oh, I'm an Army/Foreign Office Brat btw so it isn't like I was bought up surrounded by a massive CND sign)

The comment on the Kurds as you put it saddened me. Do you have any idea how the vast majority of the Kurdish population have to live now thanks to genocide, not the struggles you were referring to?

What about those who have had to seek Asylum as well? Could you imagine how you would feel if after all the torture already endured you still have to struggle through more subtle means of being ousted in this supposedly free democatic world we live in?

🙁

Mind you your choice of the kurds ( and my reply ) would have been better if we´d talked of the Shiites in the south who really did suffer after gulf war 1 when they rose up against Saddam in reply to US calls and were then left to hang by Bush senior .
The Kurds have been attacked by ( and have attacked ) all their neighbours in the area at one time of another as they continue to fight against Turkey , Syria , Iran and Russia trying to establish an independant Kurdistan ( the PKK being famous for brutalities commited against Turkish civilians ) so they ain´t that innocent in the grand scheme of things . [/B][/QUOTE]

The word 'innocent' doesn't apply in my vocabulary in any respect to any person who picks up a weapon and uses it. (oh, I'm an Army/Foreign Office Brat btw so it isn't like I was bought up surrounded by a massive CND sign)

The comment on the Kurds as you put it saddened me. Do you have any idea how the vast majority of the Kurdish population have to live now thanks to genocide, not the struggles you were referring to?

What about those who have had to seek Asylum as well? Could you imagine how you would feel if after all the torture already endured you still have to struggle through more subtle means of being ousted in this supposedly free democatic world we live in?

🙁

Mind you your choice of the kurds ( and my reply ) would have been better if we´d talked of the Shiites in the south who really did suffer after gulf war 1 when they rose up against Saddam in reply to US calls and were then left to hang by Bush senior .
The Kurds have been attacked by ( and have attacked ) all their neighbours in the area at one time of another as they continue to fight against Turkey , Syria , Iran and Russia trying to establish an independant Kurdistan ( the PKK being famous for brutalities commited against Turkish civilians ) so they ain´t that innocent in the grand scheme of things . [/B][/QUOTE] (El Ingles)

The word 'innocent' doesn't apply in my vocabulary in any respect to any person who picks up a weapon and uses it. (oh, I'm an Army/Foreign Office Brat btw so it isn't like I was bought up surrounded by a massive CND sign)

The comment on the Kurds as you put it saddened me. Do you have any idea how the vast majority of the Kurdish population have to live now thanks to genocide, not the struggles you were referring to?

What about those who have had to seek Asylum as well? Could you imagine how you would feel if after all the torture already endured you still have to struggle through more subtle means of being ousted in this supposedly free democatic world we live in?

🙁

Humm, if it wasn't obvious my p.c suddenly appeared to jam and I didn't think my post had gone through!!! 😕